but I really don't believe KU is a better team with him not playing right now.

NO ONE IS SAYING THAT HE SHOULD BE PLAYING!

Everyone is saying that he should be playing BETTER by eliminating moronic, careless plays!

"I know I might be a little naive with this, but I keep holding out hope that the switch will go off in Tyshawn's head before tournament time, because if that were to happen, KU becomes a very dangerous team."

Every Jayhawk fan, every Jayhawk coach and every Jayhawk player is hoping for the same thing, but I am not going to continue to keep banging my head against that brick wall hoping for a different result. KU has shown that they can be a dangerous team even when Taylor is having occassionally boneheaded moments, so I still consider them a threat.

My big issue is this, Kansas is going to end up with a seed that is likely higher than what should be expected from such an erratic team. This puts them in the unenviable but obvious position of being a huge "upset" just waiting to happen. I can easily see a #1 or #2 seeded KU team have a 2nd round loss to a 7-10 seeded team that is slightly underseeded and hot to show they are being disrespected. Northern Iowa is the prime example of that. Frankly, I think that type of team is more of a threat to this group than a Top 4 seed at a neutral site.

1st and 2nd round games for Kansas are right here in Omaha this year and I am too uncomfortable to buy tickets. I don't think I want to shell out $150+ a game to be there when it happens. We'll see how they respond down the stretch...

My big issue is this, Kansas is going to end up with a seed that is likely higher than what should be expected from such an erratic team. This puts them in the unenviable but obvious position of being a huge "upset" just waiting to happen. I can easily see a #1 or #2 seeded KU team have a 2nd round loss to a 7-10 seeded team that is slightly underseeded and hot to show they are being disrespected. Northern Iowa is the prime example of that. Frankly, I think that type of team is more of a threat to this group than a Top 4 seed at a neutral site.

Yep!

Okay then, take TT out of the lineup.  Who then should the "moron" Bill Self replace him with?  BTW, without Taylor's 21 pts this isn't even a game.  

As an aside, did Withey play in this game?  I saw a 7ft tall white guy kinda hanging out in the paint twiddling his thumbs, but I assumed he was part of a training program for the officiating crew.  Couldn't have been Withey though.  If it were an actually member of the KU team, he certainly would've been calling for the ball in order to exploit his obvious height advantage.   

Guys, I really do understand the issue, but if we want to go down that road of wishing Tyshawn would reduce the mental lapses, then why don't we just continue with I wish Teahan would play better defense or I wish EJ and Releford would drive to the basket more, I wish Young and Wesley would impact a game more than just fouling. This is a flawed team, as are all the rest, and I'm not saying we as alumni/fans shouldn't demand the best product, but I for on am very pleased with how this team has progressed this season. Considering that this was expected to be a down year, it is unbelievable that with their schedule, this team is in the top ten with a legit chance of winning the Big 12 for an 8th straight season and another high seed for the NCAA tournament.

Six turnovers by Taylor is huge but the bigger number (both figuratively and literally) is 20.  That's the number of personal fouls called on KU compared to 10 for MU. Just sayin'............

Guys, I really do understand the issue, but if we want to go down that road of wishing Tyshawn would reduce the mental lapses, then why don't we just continue with I wish Teahan would play better defense or I wish EJ and Releford would drive to the basket more,

Is Taylor not physically able to avoid fouling a three point shooter? Cause Teahan can't phyically get any faster.

Considering that this was expected to be a down year, it is unbelievable that with their schedule, this team is in the top ten with a legit chance of winning the Big 12 for an 8th straight season and another high seed for the NCAA tournament.

It is amazing to see Kansas doing as well as they are because we had HUGE QUESTIONS as to how  T-Rob would handle being The Man or what we would get out of Withey. Now that we have actually seen the answers to these huge questions, are they overachieving or underachieving? Based on shaky preseason expectations they are overachieving but based on actual analysis of production they are underachieving, in my opinion. They should have beat Duke, should have DESTROYED Davidson, should have beat Iowa State and should have beat Mizzou.

Six turnovers by Taylor is huge but the bigger number (both figuratively and literally) is 20.  That's the number of personal fouls called on KU compared to 10 for MU. Just sayin'............

And about SIX of those were charging calls, which while a few were questionable could-have-gone-either-way calls, are largely careless, irresponsible plays.

"Okay then, take TT out of the lineup.  Who then should the "moron" Bill Self replace him with?  BTW, without Taylor's 21 pts this isn't even a game. "

Obviously I need to type in a bigger font:

NO ONE IS SAYING THAT HE SHOULD BE PLAYING!

Everyone is saying that he should be playing BETTER by eliminating moronic, careless plays!

NO ONE IS SAYING THAT HE SHOULDN'T BE PLAYING!

Fixed that.

Kenpom has Tyshawn Taylor #10 on their POY Rankings!!!

Imagine how high he'd be if he paid attention more often!

WHOA, twocoach, pump the breaks big guy!!!! I was responding to Jayhawks&Noles who said:

"Bill Self is a moron for continuing to rely on this mentally deficient babboon looking prick to lead the team"

I realize that YOU haven't said TT shouldn't be playing, but there are some who have (For example, the person who started this thread).  We cool?  Great, I knew we would be! 

Everyone is saying that he should be playing BETTER by eliminating moronic, careless plays!

What did you say twocoach? I didn't hear you.

A hate-filled OP with a death wish for a Kansas basketball player and 50+ replies many of which fail to condemn the original post but instead find ways to justify it or it's premise.

This series of posts is a sad and embarassing commentary about KU basketball fans.

Sickening isn't a strong enough word to describe it.

Some of you who haven't come to grips with what we have in TT yet - the hand we've been dealt - post the same things over and over and over and over and over as if, if you post it enough times, somehow things will change.

I won't even look back at previous posts and I'll bet I can summarize it right here:

• he should be playing better
• he should be improving and learning from mistakes
• he's been here 4 years and still makes freshman mistakes
• he can easily ruin the momentum
• he isn't focused enough consistently enough
• we could have beatenorif not for TT.

Ok, we get it - TT is the sole the cause of world hunger; this country's $15T debt; Tom Brady's intentional grounding penalty; and he's the sole reason why we're only ranked #9 in the country and not #1.

Should he be making better decisions? 

Is the Pope Catholic? 

Of course!  One doesn't have to be a basketball genius to answer gems like this.

But why do so many jump on the 'hate TT' band wagon ON THIS THREAD NO LESS instead of condemning the ridiculous, hate-filled content of the OP?

Technically, we were -5 with Taylor on the floor and we lost by 3. We were +12 with Withey on the floor. I am still boggled why he and T-Rob weren't getting the ball on the last three possessions. Two, when you say this, can you really not see how people think you are saying KU is better without TT playing?

"A hate-filled OP with a death wish for a Kansas basketball player and 50+ replies many of which fail to condemn the original post but instead find ways to justify it or it's premise."

i think we are all in agreement that the OP got completely carried away. There is no need to draw more attention to his idiotic rant, so most of us have simply moved on to other conversation on the topic. We don't need to beat a dead horse and continue to point out how retarded and overblown his post was. We all get it.
NO ONE is justifying the level that he took it.

Not a huge fan of this original post to this thread.  Will ignore that posters threads for awhile.

Anyway, most are absolutely correct in TT analogies.  I have for the better part of his career had some strong words towards him, but never wished ill fate or anything of the likely.  We can despise the players plays, but we can not despise the player personally as to have harm done unto him. 

I can say without a doubt that 2coach has the same opinion I do about TT.  I think we all have pulled out some gray hair that he has caused us at  times.  I was going through my mind of other pg's that have came and went from here and he is the one that I would have to say is one of the more talented in raw ability.  Then when i think about pg's in the sense of being your team leader, I will say that he is average at best.  Not terrible, not great.  Average.  Sherron COllins was this same player, but managed to get away with it until UNI for the most part.  Sherron was a better shooter, and more of a clutch player if you will.  TT can drive better an contort his body to make more shots from down low.  But one in the same.

I know that Tharpe isn't the answer, but imagine if he had progressed some and could be the ball handler instead of TT all the time.  We won some hard fought games last year when TT was riding the pine for some kind of punishment.  EJ was a different player last year as well.  EJ is not getting the job done either.  His isues are confidence and that only. 

Like others have stated, we are going to win with or lose with TT as our main ball handler.  Too late to expect him to flip a switch and get smarter. 

Its all a matter of opinion.  He will go down as either one of peoples favorites or go down as a total underachiever. 

I think jr giddeons or however you spell his name is the only player who has frustrated me more

I think your frustration is legit. However its a little rough. Yes, Tyshawn does does play  like a Freshman more times than not. I dont like his mistakes either. I think the lost to MU for the most part ends any chance they have to win the conference. Their remaining schedule is tougher then MU and Baylors. This isnt a ventage KU team and everyone knows it. Losing to MU hurts a lot. But Tyshawn didnt cost them the game all by himshelf!. I'm no Tyshawn fan believe me! But he has played better for the most part. His turnover are down by a large margin. This team really isn't that good! It's hard to say but MU is a little better.  KU will win the return game. KU lacks depth and talent to compete for a title this year.   They have won the last 7 after all..  I not going to defend Tyshawn's MU melt down because he did do just that! But his scoring recently has made up for T.Rob's lack of it! and they did win a few because of it. 

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