The Pac-12 Thread....

Thanks Vitamike.

Apparently I just need to put in a few more commas and reword things so that my stuff reads easier.  Whatever. 

Trojans beating the Irish could open the door for Oregon but also for an all SEC title game.  The Pac 12 title game would for sure help Oregon. 

Oregon fans will be trojans, Bruins, Florida State, GT and Auburn fans this week.  I doubt that Oregon would have enough without the losses by other teams.

I think it would take a fg win or less by Oregon in the CCG to keep UCLA up enough to at large for the Rose. and even then that is a long shot. 

Im not a big fan of non champs playing in the NCG either. not after Oregon got shafted for Nebraska.  but they haven't felt in neccessary to change the rules to make it a requirement.  I am still not a fan but it is what it is. 

Oregon fans will be trojans, Bruins, Florida State, GT and Auburn fans this week.

If USC wins then the Georgia Gtech game and Iron Bowl dont matter as they will knock each other off in Decembers CCG...

Florida State will hammer Florida...

Duck fans just need ND to get upset.  That is Oregon's chance to get back in NATTY discussion...      

I know this has to be on the minds of the people, with the addition of Maryland and assuming Rutgers to the Big Ten and some shuffling around the Big East and ACC to compensate, there is a wonder about the Pac 12.

I was against the expansion to 12.  I dont see 2 more teams the conference could easily add.

I have a friend who is in the athletic dept at USC and he has told me that there will be no teams added right now.  a tier system may be coming though.  I still need to get more info from him on that. 

Didn't say "not to win"

Why not?  Stanford or Oregon.  Which would you pick?  

Duck fans just need ND to get upset.  That is Oregon's chance to get back in NATTY discussion...

I really don't think that is enough. They need to win out, and have Stanford lose to still win the Pac-12. Otherwise, it will be a very similar situation as Stanford's last year, where Oregon won the Pac-12, and a one loss Stanford team fell short at #4. If Stanford wins this weekend, Oregon's chances are nil I think. Likewise if Oregon loses to Oregon State obviously. The bottom line will be that their S.O.S will not be strong enough. We could very well see two SEC teams in the NCG once again. I will certainly be interesting to see what happens though should Notre Dame lose...

Why not?  Stanford or Oregon.  Which would you pick?

Honestly, it depends on who my team is. If we're talking about USC, I want Oregon. We match up better with Oregon than Stanford. Remember, Oregon was unable to stop USC's offense, while Stanford completely shut us down. Granted, some of Stanford's success was due to our starting center being out, but even if he is in the game and USC wins, it's not by much.

Against Oregon, if not for a couple of early turnovers in the red zone, we may not fall behind 21-3 and then you have a completely different game. Basically, Oregon scored 14 points off of turnovers in a game that they won by 11. Not saying that Oregon wouldn't have won the game anyway, but I would have liked to see what happens with out those 2 turnovers.

If I'm UCLA, I'm not sure yet who is the better matchup. On the surface, it would appear that UCLA would want nothing to do with Oregon because of their speed. However, USC has the same speed advantage and UCLA did a very nice job of neutralizing it. On the other hand, Stanford doesn't appear as scary because they "grind out" their wins.

I have a friend who is in the athletic dept at USC and he has told me that there will be no teams added right now.  a tier system may be coming though.  I still need to get more info from him on that.

The only teams that I can think of right off the top of my head that could be brought in are maybe some combination of San Diego St., Fresno St., Nevada and Boise. I don't know about the academic standards at those schools, so I don't know if it's a possibility. Additionally, while all of those programs have been solid non-AQ's for a few years (and Boise has even been ranked in the top 10 a few times), I'm not sure that it is the best interest of the conference to admit 2 non-AQ's, even if one is Boise.

Whatever happens, I hope that the conference waits a couple of seasons or more (3-5?) before seriously looking at anything so that Utah and Colorado have time to kind of "catch up" to the rest of the conference. 

Trojanfan12
those teams seem logical I just don't see where any of them add significant value. 
Other teams I have heard floated were Texas and TT, Ok and OKst, kansas and K state.
also Utah state or BYU along with Colorado state or Airforce to rival Utah and Colorado in state.

OlyDuck,

Just read you post that was banned or whatever.  Nothing wrong with what you wrote you expressed an opinion and gave your reason/ scenarios for it to happen.  As you said it's not likely, but is possible.

Oly, as I already said in this thread there will be no teams added to the Pac this year and none added until they are forced to do so if there is some kind of realignment later that moves away from the bowl system. 

The problem for the Pac is California. Cali is our Texas in that there is so much fertile recruiting grounds that almost every team can get some gold out of it and it also adds to recruiting to know you will take trips to california every year to play. When the conference went to 12 teams they broke up the ability to tell kids you will play twice in cali every season because we now do not play every team every year. The schedule changes broke up the Cali teams across the north/south, but the cali teams still wanted to be able to all play each other leaving non cali teams less chances to go there. This is something every HC has talked about. Adding more teams would only damage cali trips even more and for what gain? You can say adding more recruiting and TV markets, but the gains don't outweigh the losses IMO. You break up long standing rivalries and hamper your own conference recruiting in favor of adding more grounds. In the case of Texas those grounds are so picked over by all of the conferences with a footprint in it that you wouldn't pick up as much as you would lose. 

The Pac growing past 12 is a BAD BAD BAD idea and will NOT happen unless everyone else does it first and forces the Pac to go along.  

And those of you picking USC to upset ND this week, you did read that Barkley is out for the game right? You really believe USC will go in with a backup QB and knock of the top team in the nation? This isn't Stanford v Oregon here. ND will play like they have a pair lol. 

And those of you picking USC to upset ND this week, you did read that Barkley is out for the game right? You really believe USC will go in with a backup QB and knock of the top team in the nation? This isn't Stanford v Oregon here. ND will play like they have a pair lol. 

Let's see, USC literally has nothing to lose. You think the throats of these 18 - 22 year olds on ND won't be constricting awfully tight with it all on the line against an arch rival? LOL, OK. I am not saying ND loses, but I would not be remotely surprised if they did either.

The Pac growing past 12 is a BAD BAD BAD idea and will NOT happen unless everyone else does it first and forces the Pac to go along. 

I have been saying this for ages...the CFB landscape will probably end up with 4 20 team super conferences, and 4 10 team tier 2 conferences. The playoffs will evolve to the top two of the supers, and the winners of the tier 2's, with 4 more at large bids. Just a matter of time...

Kato, I don't know who will win and it's not like I called for Stanford to upset Oregon, but What is USC without Barkley? Their defense hasn't been anything that looks like dominating and while they can run, they are a passing team with some of the best targets in the conference. What good are they if they have to have a kid not in sync with them try to reach them in the biggest game of the year? I just see a let down for the boys of troy because of it. 

TF - I was watching a  pro football games channel which was showiing highlights of games and making comments. For some reason defensive schemes came up (mentioning cover two) with a bunch of coaches named including Monte Kiffin. They also used some other terminology other than cover two which was synonomous though. Their statement basically was that you cannot stop teams that can apply strong offensive pressure with that defense. They didn't go into any specifics but I think they were talking about one of the pro teams and they thought in the long run that team was not going to make the playoffs. The problem was I wasn't paying close attention (because I wasn't expecting anything like it to be forthcoming at the time) so my ability to make the points salient is obviously limited. However, I do think it is worth the mention.

ND's offense is garbage, and even USC's defense will have success against them. If the QB can be 50% than the scrub we put on the field in Josh Nunes, and with those WRs? USC has a great chance to win. Game is at the Coliseum too. I am looking for the upset. I haven't checked the spread yet, but I have a suspicion I am going to be betting ATS. I am 7/7 so far ATS in the Pac 12...just saying...

When they played ND two years ago, Barkley missed that game also. Mustain played a reasonable game and USC had a very good chance of winning. In fact a winning TD pass (or could have been was dropped by a receiver) Then after USc made a fourth a forever, and completed another long pass, Kiffin showed his inexperience as a coach by not mixing in the run. There was still about 2 minutes, maybe 1:51 and they had two time outs available. Plenty of time to pitch sweep, get out of bounds or turn it up if it opens up. Instead he called a pass down in the endzone which was intercepted. I've only seen the freshman in mop up time.  But I know he has a good arm. The question is will the protect him adequately and will he be more inclined to protect the ball. He might also be inclined to run some if he doesn't see a wide open receiver. Not sure if we can run on ND unless we catch them thinking pass, and wanting to pressure, and trap them. This could turn out to be a field position football game more than we are accutomed to seeing.  Also, because the kid is reputed to have a stronger arm than Barkley, it remains to be seen whether ND mistakenly crowds the receivers and to some extent the line of scrimmage in hopes of rattling him. If so, we may see a few more deep balls and I mean really deep balls, unless ND backs out of that type of coverage.

I haven't checked the spread yet...

Me, either, but USC without Barkley?  No doubt who the favorite will be.  We've expected USC to step up all season but it hasn't happened.  Won't happen this game either with a new QB v. ND defense.  ND will be in the NCG.  The question is only this:  Who in the top four will neat them.  

I want Oregon.

Honestly, Trojan12, I can't see anybody in their right mind asking for a rematch with Oregon rather than anybody else.  You'll need forty plus points to have a make it a game.  In their "bad" game of the year they lost to a 35 yard field goal that was six inches to the left; every team has one but UO could have won that one too.  Don't pull on Superman's cape, don't piss wind, etc, etc.