The Border War - Continued?

Kansas and Missouri have been playing against each other in the same conference since 1907 and have met a total of 265 times. This is more head to head games than even the 232 meetings between Duke and North Carolina. The hated rivalry between the two states goes back to the days of the Civil War and goes WAY beyond the simplicity of school vs. school.

With Mizzou departing for the SEC next year, the two teams are no longer automatically scheduled to meet each other. I am sure that I mirror many Kansas fans when I say "SCREW YOU" to Mizzou and hope that we never schedule another game with them for as long as I live. I would personally be very disapponted to see Kansas help out Mizzou by giving them a game that would A) increase their ticket sales B) increase their national exposure and C) increase their recruiting.

Kansas has no problem filling their seats for every single game that they play. Kansas has no problem getting elite level non-conference games or tournament invitations. Kansas has no problem recruiting on a national level. This is the first year in a LONG time that playing Mizzou wasn't a hit to Kansas' RPI.

Why should Kansas do a home-and-home series or a neutral site matchup with Mizzou and lose the revenue from a home game, give Mizzou a non-con home game that they would actually sell out, give Mizzou national exposure for playing Kansas and put a game on their schedule that might impress recruits?

I am interested to hear what fans from other programs think. My assumption is that no one cares and that the "tradition" should continue. But if you really think about what KU gains from the continuation (NOTHING) and what Mizzou gains (ticket sales, exposure, recruiting) why on earth WOULD Kansas agree to continue the games?

This is an unfortunate situation that really didnt have much to do with basketball. As it's been said a million times, it's all about the football money. 
I hate to see what has happened to the Big 12. Even though I'm in SEC country, I used to argue with my friends that considering all sports  the Big 12 was the best conference, but with all the nonsence Texas/ESPN and all the other garbage that went on I certainly don't hold a grudge against any school that wanted to jump that sinking ship.
From a strictly basketball point of view, I tend to agree with your sentiments. I voted for no more border war, thinking  that just let it die for a few years, maybe even a decade then look to resume with a home and home. 

We all know WHY it came to this, but why reward Mizzou for their money grab by putting more money in their pocket? SCREW THEM. I'd rather see Kansas book a home and home series or neutral site game with a team that's more likely to still be an elite program.

The rivalry itself isn't much of a rivalry. KU pretty much kicks Missouri's a$$ in basketball most years. Every now and then the start align and they rise up and win a home game here and there. Whoopty-do. This isn't like Duke-Carolina where BOTH teams are usually nationally relevant. Mizzou rarely matters outside of the conference.

Bitter KU fan, still trying to get over Saturday nights loss by saying that KU shouldn't "bother" giving Mizzou a basketball game.   Question:  How bad would Kansas like to have Mizzou on their FOOTBALL schedule twocoach?   I would imagine a home football game for KU would make more money than a home basketball game????  Correct???

Be careful what you wish for?   Also, as an KANSAS fan, why wouldn't you want to play Mizzou and KICK THEIR A$$ each year?    Unless you're afraid of what you witnessed Saturday night?   Mizzou will be fine, bragging rights game with Illinois each year, conference games with Kentucky, Florida, Tennessee, and Vanderbilt are pretty much the same conference schedule as Kansas, Kansas State, Baylor, and Texas.

Again, its not YOUR MONEY...... so why do you care???  From a fans perspective.....I WANT MIZZOU vs. KANSAS each year.   You can't blame Mizzou for the Texas arrogance of this conference..... we all know that conference realignment isn't over yet :)    Maybe Kansas and Oklahoma join the SEC in the near future....just need to dump OK STATE and K-STATE.

Why would any college basketball fan want the rivalries to stop?  I understand Mizzou is moving on, but I would still want to play them.  You can't fault Mizzou for going to the SEC.


When Cincy and Louisville left CUSA and we stopped playing, it sucked.  Fan bases from both schools want to renew the rivalry, and we just did with Louisville.  The Louisville/Memphis rivalry had a lot hatred, and hopefully that will come back.  

I am sure that I mirror many Kansas fans when I say "SCREW YOU" to Mizzou and hope that we never schedule another game with them for as long as I live.

Weak, weak, weak.  If Kansas was offered membership into the SEC, they would've taken it in a heartbeat.

Why? Our football program currently sucks and as far as basketball goes, the B12 is a stronger conference.

There might be a break of some sort for a couple/few years, but at the end of the day some arrangement will be put in place so that KU and MU play every year.  Just schedule one game every year and play it at the Sprint Center in Kansas City.  Mizzou will have the "Braggin' rights" game in St. Louis and the Border war in Kansas City.

Bitter KU fan, still trying to get over Saturday nights loss by saying that KU shouldn't "bother" giving Mizzou a basketball game.

Silly Mizzou fans. This is a conversation whether KU wins or loses Saturday night. I would feel the same way whether KU wins or loses Saturday night.

"Question:  How bad would Kansas like to have Mizzou on their FOOTBALL schedule twocoach?   I would imagine a home football game for KU would make more money than a home basketball game????  Correct???"

This has NOTHING TO DO WITH FOOTBALL. Are you dense? Lacking in reading comprehension? This is about the BASKETBALL rivalry.  I think my post was pretty clear. I don't give two craps about college football and couldn't care about Kansas' football schedule at all. 
"Be careful what you wish for?   Also, as an KANSAS fan, why wouldn't you want to play Mizzou and KICK THEIR A$$ each year? "

Because the game would be on national TV, giving Mizzou the ability to make extra money and push the matchup as a positive in recruiting. We have kicked your a$$ for GENERATIONS, we know we can do it.

Mizzou will be fine, bragging rights game with Illinois each year, conference games with Kentucky, Florida, Tennessee, and Vanderbilt are pretty much the same conference schedule as Kansas, Kansas State, Baylor, and Texas.

The only similarity is that UK will own Mizzou the same way that KU has and that Vandy and Tennessee are like Missouri in that they have NEVER been to a Final Four.

"Again, its not YOUR MONEY...... so why do you care???"

Because I have no interest in having MY team help out YOUR team. That's how much I hate Mizzou.

"we all know that conference realignment isn't over yet :)"

I guess I'll deal with that when and if it gets here. THIS is what the situation is now. Mizzou can go try to make their own way as a basketball program without KU helping them along.

Weak, weak, weak.  If Kansas was offered membership into the SEC, they would've taken it in a heartbeat.

Fine. If KU had moved on to the SEC and Mizzou stayed in the Big 12, I would still say screw them, make their own way.

My assumption is that no one cares and that the "tradition" should continue. But if you really think about what KU gains from the continuation (NOTHING) and what Mizzou gains (ticket sales, exposure, recruiting) why on earth WOULD Kansas agree to continue the games?

Your assumption is beside the point.  What is the money sport?  Football, unless you're talking about the money being dished out to beaker bb players' relatives.


So, here's the more realistic view of the entire situation.  It is Mizzou with something to lose, and nothing to gain, as the redleggers are a one sport school, and without the Border War, the beakers are invisible in all other sports.  This will have a negative impact on the chickenhawks over time.  The only team that will have success is the bb team.  Weis is a time bomb waiting to self destruct.  It may look good at the start, (how can it not look good compared to what Turner Gill did?), but then reality will set in.  He won't get players there without spending the dole.  With the beakers in another conference, don't look for Mizzou to look away at this now that Mizzou is going to another conference.  Bloody Bill's boys will be under a microscope.

As a Missouri alumnus and fan I'm ambivalent about if the rivalry continues.  To clarify, I love the basketball rivalry because it has usually been competitive and fun.  However, I fear the price for continuing playing in roundball will be an annual football game.  That is more of a negative to me than the basketball would be a positive.  Mizzou has decided to move on.  Missouri needs to schedule non-conference football games in areas which produce more athletes than Topeka.  I would think Georgia, Florida and Texas schools.  Maybe an occasional game in Ohio or less likely the west coast.

I really do not think you can seperate the sports TwoCoach.  I would be certain that both would be used to reach any kind of deal.

I do not like that Mizzou is leaving the B12, but I do understand why.  When LHN fails, and I think it will, Texas, OU, OSU and probably TTU will be joining the Pac12.  That's why Missouri left.  What is KU's exit strategy?  At least KU will have more options than KSU, a school that has a pretty strong but underated sports history.

We will be just fine in the SEC in all sports... no point in wasting our time playing with the Jayhawks if they don't want to meet in basketball who cares.  In football the only thing they would be competitive in is if the coaches had a competitive eating contest.  Good riddance beakers...

I believe that after these two programs think about it, it will become obvious that Kansas and Missouri will continue to play a game every year.  Likely alternating sites each year.  In the interim of such a move, I'll bet there will be a early-season tourney that will invite both.  They'd be crazy not to take the money and run.  Neither program will turn down that kind of cash for just one game.   So while it's possible that pride will cancel next year's match-up, it will be back soon enough.

One of the greatest hallmarks of college sports is tradition. Years ago I loved the old Pitt-Penn St rivalry in football as well as others such as Army-Navy, Oklahoma-Nebraska*, Cal-Stanford, Yale-Harvard.  Sadly, Pitt-PSU ended when the latter went to the Big 10. This was a truly sad day for college football.

Now with conference realignments, we are losing football rivlaries and we are soon to lose great basketball rivalries as well. This is so sad!  I realize that schools want to make money out of TV  contracts and conference play.  But losing traditional rivlaries is inexcusable. The longstanding fun we have had as fans is something that is too precious to lose.  School administrators should bear that in mind when they decide to join conferences.  The fans and their wishes need to be satisfied.  Therefore, traditional rivalries must be preserved!

* the 1971 Thanksgiving Day match between those powerhouses was undoubtedly the GREATEST game in the sport.  It truly was the GAME OF THE CENTURY

"I believe that after these two programs think about it, it will become obvious that Kansas and Missouri will continue to play a game every year."

Then you clearly have NO IDEA about how much Kansas hates Mizzou.

* the 1971 Thanksgiving Day match between those powerhouses

    Powerhouses?  Mizzou ain't ****,  never have, never will.  You must still be drunk from the parade.

What is the money sport?  Football, unless you're talking about the money being dished out to beaker bb players' relatives.

BLAH BLAH BLAH, football. Are you people dense? Kansas doesn't really care about football. If they did, they would at least powerwash and paint that nasty a$$ stadium they have. Football makes enough money. Could it make more? Sure, but the PRESTIGE of KU basketball trumps their football team and has for generations.

There is NO GOOD REASON why KU should play Mizzou IN BASKETBALL. I have read all of your posts and NO ONE has listed one reason that would change my mind yet.

Any other Mizzou fans want to talk about FOOTBALL?!? Go to a FOOTBALL thread, then.

"The fans and their wishes need to be satisfied.  Therefore, traditional rivalries must be preserved!"

But the FANS of Kansas don't WANT the rivalry to continue. DON'T YOU GET IT?!? The wishes of Kansas fans are that Mizzou go f--k themselves and try to become relevant on their own without counting on their Super Bowl of home games against Kansas every year to make them relevant.

But the FANS of Kansas don't WANT the rivalry to continue

    Yes they do!!  I think the Big 12 office has the final say on the matter.  Why would Kansas want to give up an EASY win every year?



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