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Cubs Pick Up Adrian Cardenas

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Cubs Pick Up Adrian Cardenas

February 6, 2012 6:38 pm

The Cubs picked this guy up off waivers from the A's...

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Looks like he had a pretty decent year at AAA, at least average (.314) and OBP (.374) wise... and he's 23... plays 2nd, mostly...

Thoughts?

theseraph
SinceFeb 13, 2009
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Cubs Pick Up Adrian Cardenas

February 6, 2012 7:40 pm

We'll see a lot of this kind of low profile deal with Theo.. he knows how to take advantage of  the system  to his advantage. It looks to me, judging from stats ,that Cardenas  replacing De Witt is an upgrade. and Cubs didnt give up any player. Barney may also have to fight to stay in the line-up,all to be determined in Spring Training...Does anyone have a negative view?
wrig224
SinceAug 18, 2006
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Cubs Pick Up Adrian Cardenas

February 6, 2012 8:06 pm

The Cubs announced that they designated infielder Blake DeWitt for assignment. The move creates 40-man roster space for Adrian Cardenas, who the Cubs claimed from Oakland today.
bearzs99
SinceOct 3, 2006
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Cubs Pick Up Adrian Cardenas

February 6, 2012 8:52 pm

If the A's just out right released him at the age of 23....

Doesn't that tell you something??
KansasBoyd
SinceSep 2, 2006
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Cubs Pick Up Adrian Cardenas

February 6, 2012 9:42 pm

If the A's just out right released him at the age of 23....

Doesn't that tell you something??

It tells me that they needed space on there 40 man roster for Jonny Gomes and that they have Jemile Weeks, Cliff Pennington, Scott Sizemore, Brandon Allen, Chris Carter, Adam Rosales & Daric Barton on the 25 man roster for IF players, with all of those players ranging in age from 24-28.  It also likely means that Mr. Cardenas has a hole in his game (he is a liability defensively), that the A's are not willing to wait for him to develop.


Bottom line, the guy is a high average hitter with little power and shaky defense.  However, he has room to get bigger and at 24 has time to work on his defense.  Dare I say, a Mark DeRosa wannabe?   
willrust
SinceOct 24, 2006
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Cubs Pick Up Adrian Cardenas

February 7, 2012 12:11 am

Although this is a minor move organization wise, I am a little leary at a prospect who is a defensive liability at 2nd.  I could not find a lot about him.  What is he lacking at in defense?  If it is throwing then that can be fixed fairly easily.  If it is fielding then not so much, but it can be.  His hitting seems to be okay as far as averages go.  This is a move that people all across the thread that irks some and not others.  Really this move is relatively small compared to some the cubbies have made.
chicagoillini
SinceFeb 5, 2010
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Cubs Pick Up Adrian Cardenas

February 7, 2012 3:12 am

I looked him up somewhat.  LH bat hits near .300 at every level.  Hit AAA in 2009 in the Phills org.  Delt in the Blaton deal to the A's and spent 2 seasons at AAA.  Little power.  29 HR's in 6 minor league seasons.  

I don't see the upside of picking this guy over DeWitt outside of a better BA in the minors.  .303/.368/.413 slash is not bad but it really doesn't make sense to a team trying to build stronger D wise.  

Power for D trade off is fine as a PH type.  BA for D with little power doesn't make sense. 
CFS77
SinceJan 13, 2010
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Cubs Pick Up Adrian Cardenas

February 7, 2012 7:32 am

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The Cubs made another intriguing move today claiming infielder Adrian Cardenas off waivers from the Athletics. The lefty hit .314 with 51 RBIs, 28 doubles, four triples, five home runs, 70 runs and a .374 on-base percentage in 127 games with Triple-A Sacramento last year.

He's the type of guy the Cubs view as better competition for the second-base job than DeWitt, who although very versatile, failed to hit for a solid average last season.

The Cubs are going with Darwin Barney and Jeff Baker at second base, but now Cardenas enters the mix.

bearzs99
SinceOct 3, 2006
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Cubs Pick Up Adrian Cardenas

February 7, 2012 9:12 am

 Jemile Weeks, Cliff Pennington, Scott Sizemore, Brandon Allen, Chris Carter, Adam Rosales & Daric Barton on the 25 man roster for IF players, with all of those players ranging in age from 24-28.  It also likely means that Mr. Cardenas has a hole in his game (he is a liability defensively), that the A's are not willing to wait for him to develop.
I would say it has to be a pretty major hole.

Several of these players listed have already proven to be nothing special at the major league level and project as backups at best.

Rosales is career .226 hitter and the A's chose to keep him over Cardenas.


Bottom line, the guy is a high average hitter with little power and shaky defense.
And so was Rosales in the minor leagues.

Their average and OBP are very close at the AAA level and Rosales had a higher slugging percentage.

Rosales is not a good major league player.

Dare I say, a Mark DeRosa wannabe?
Dare I say  you are an idiot.
KansasBoyd
SinceSep 2, 2006
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Cubs Pick Up Adrian Cardenas

February 7, 2012 9:15 am

If it is throwing then that can be fixed fairly easily.
Steve Sax and Chuck Knoblauch say hello.
KansasBoyd
SinceSep 2, 2006
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Cubs Pick Up Adrian Cardenas

February 7, 2012 9:36 am

Look, nobody on here is any big Blake Dewitt fan.

But, it goes back to more double talk.

Theo sayy we want to get better fundamentally and defensively and brings in this guy.

Just saying. This is a minor move and not even worth discussing but......
kchicub08
SinceFeb 8, 2010
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Cubs Pick Up Adrian Cardenas

February 7, 2012 9:51 am

The minor moves are going to lead to the bedrock of the future  team. . So keep track of these moves if you want to follow whats going on.When this process eventually turns into a very good team I want to be able trace how we got there....Its not going to be 'just luck',although luck is always important,both good and bad..
wrig224
SinceAug 18, 2006
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Cubs Pick Up Adrian Cardenas

February 7, 2012 11:58 am

zzzzz. org guy.

JO74
SinceApr 27, 2007
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Cubs Pick Up Adrian Cardenas

February 7, 2012 11:10 pm


The minor moves are going to lead to the bedrock of the future  team.
If it is moves like this that is the bedrock of the future team, this team is going to suck for a long time.
KansasBoyd
SinceSep 2, 2006
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Cubs Pick Up Adrian Cardenas

February 8, 2012 11:51 am

You guys are getting a Major league ready hitter who should be able to hit around .280-.300 in the bigs. He dosnt have much pop but shuld be an on base machine. I personally am pissed the A's let him go without getting anything in return.

As to why he was DFA's over some other guys. Its because hes blocked by Jemile Weeks at second and unlike Adam Rosales and Eric Sogard he cant play 3B or SS. He needed to go to a team who had room for him at 2B and i think this is a great pick up for you cubbie fans in a rebuilding year.
BigPappaJon8
SinceMar 15, 2007
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Cubs Pick Up Adrian Cardenas

February 8, 2012 11:57 am

Heres some info on him for you guys from Scout.com.

The 2009 and 2010 seasons for Cardenas were all about him getting over the Triple-A hurdle. In 2011, he finally proved he could hit for average and get on-base regularly at that advanced level. There are still some remaining questions that the infielder will have to answer before he gets a long look in the big leagues, however.

The Florida native has been a top prospect since he was drafted in the first round out of high school by the Philadelphia Phillies in 2006. Since that time, Cardenas has shown the ability to hit for average. In nearly 2,500 career minor league at-bats, Cardenas has a .303 average. He has hit for .290 or better at every minor league level. Cardenas is a contact hitter who doesn’t walk or strike-out much. He has only 260 career walks and 354 career strike-outs.

One area that hasn’t developed yet for Cardenas offensively is his power game. The left-handed hitter is well built at 6’0’’, 205 pounds, but he utilizes a swing that is more conducive to going the other way or lining the ball into the gap than going over the fence. In 491 at-bats for Sacramento in 2011, Cardenas hit .314 with a .374 OBP, but he slugged only .418. Cardenas has average speed and hasn’t been a major base-stealer throughout his career.

Where Cardenas lines-up defensively is the biggest question about his overall game, however. A natural second baseman, Cardenas is blocked at that position in Oakland by Jemile Weeks, so the A’s have tried moving him around the field to find a better fit. Over the past few years, he has spent time at shortstop, third base and in left field. He struggled at third and scouts don’t believe he has the range to handle shortstop. Cardenas was fine in left field, but he doesn’t have the power that most teams desire for that position.

Cardenas has an excellent feel for hitting and profiles as the kind of hitter who would hit for average in the big leagues. Whether hitting for average is enough to make him a major league regular remains to be seen. Settling into a permanent defensive position would help clarify his major league future. With Weeks firmly ensconced at second in Oakland, Cardenas’ best opportunity at the major league level may come with another organization.


BigPappaJon8
SinceMar 15, 2007
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Cubs Pick Up Adrian Cardenas

February 9, 2012 2:41 pm

nothing to get too excited about, but we've seen what Blake Dewitt can do and it certainly wasn't very impressive.  Why not take a chance on someone else.  Appreciate the feedback from the San Fran guy.  It's a pretty low risk move, although not seemingly very high reward either.
jbrunnincoach
SinceDec 3, 2007
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Cubs Pick Up Adrian Cardenas

February 12, 2012 7:31 am

If the A's just out right released him at the age of 23....

Doesn't that tell you something??


Does not tell me a thing but I am not the oracle of all baseball knowledge like you.


The Cubs traded Lou Brock for Ernie Broglio. Do you suppose its possible for a team to make a mistake. Hey Wrig threw that one out there for you!!!   
Captain Kirk
SinceDec 14, 2007
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Cubs Pick Up Adrian Cardenas

February 12, 2012 9:54 am

Captain KIrk posted: The Cubs traded Lou Brock for Ernie Broglio. Do you suppose its possible for a team to make a mistake. Hey Wrig threw that one out there for you!!!   



Thanks C.K.' I Can't  refuse an invitation.


I remember the Broglio-Brock trade very well. There was no hint whatsoever that Brock was going to be any kind of player.He was a 'good prospect' if I remember.IN fact on second thought Brock looked kid of messy in a couiple games I remember. But Broglio had a very good carreer  as a starting pitcher. and it was considered good trade for the Cubs,since  a good startting picther is hard to get for an unknown! I lived downstate then in Cubs-Cardinals land and many Cardinal fans were mad.They thought the Cubs got the best side of the deal. Well,we know the rest of the story.I dont remember anything about what Broglio did for the Cubs. I dont remember him winning any key games,except at that point in time Cubs werent playing many 'key games' .I turned out that ALL of Brock's good days were in front of him and all of Broglios good days were behind him.Im sure Cardinals FO  and fans were as surprised as Cubs fans of how things turned out ..It didnt take long.


as long as Ive got the floor....


Am I the ONLY one looking forward to a season of players trying out to make the team?  Thats basically how I see this season.I took a couple statistic courses in college because I had to and remember thinking at the time 'I hope I dont have to use this cr..p seriously'. WEll ,I  did have to use it. . Nothing you learn is useless. It struck  me as the type of course a professional gambler would take. Its one of those things I understood enough to take a test on it. Lots of life is like that. But everything we learn gives us   a greater perspective,etc. whether we remember it all verbatim or not.What we know is more like an awareness of what there is as opposed to a list  memorized set of facts. Also we need to develop an awe for what we 'know' we dont understand.


Im so happy as a good Cub fan to put the '103 yrs without a World Series appearance'  mindset behind us for a couple years. .Looks like a certain group of people are going to look at 2012 as a failure before it starts.Maybe just dont comment then?


Baseball is the best spectator sport there is.I can sit and pay attention to every pitch and enjoy it or I can eat pizza and drink beer and chat with those around and  still enjoy it. Women  have always understood baseball as well( at least) as men(my opinion). In these later times women also understand and appreciate  football as well as men, but not historically in my opinion...Lots of Cub fans historically have been women because of the tradition  of all day baseball.I remember coming home form High school with the Cub game on the radio and it was always about the 7th inning. My mother would always tell me everything that happened up to then ( without notes).

A little league game is interesting.It doesnt matter who plays baseball and what level it is,its ALWAYS entertaining..Like Ive posted before,we  were always eager to get into WF to catch  fielding and batting practice.It was always "'part of the game''.


THis year is going to be fantastic although the Cubs may very well play  under 500,but hopefuly 500 is the success goal! We can see how the newer  players will fill in and how they wont, and we''ll see continuing changes in the lineup.Whats the rotation going to look like on OPpening Day compared to July 4tth?  No way to tell. Every day is going to be an adventure at  ballpark. FIrst off,Im really interested also how Sveum and his coaches  organize players and develop  strategies compared to past year,or will we see a difference?

Again Ive mentioned this before but the one player I saw on  his first couple games  as a Cub rookie is Glenn Beckert. I had box seats behind on-deck circle which I bought at game starting time!Those were the days! It was  on a day in September weekday  not long after Labor Day in 1965 and he started at 2nd base. He just looked ready to play and I could tell he was already disciplined and quick. HE CAME TO PLAY!  Its like I knew he'd be around  for a while and he would have a good career. . Is anything like that going to happen this year. This is  the year and next year  it could. Things are "wide open"What are the statistical chances, I just read it it all here!

This is what baseball is. Its not just  arguing about chance or statistics,but its important to imagine PLAYERS and not just NUMBERS! Yes I know basbeall stats are very important and Hoyer-Eptein would be the FIRST to say that,but what players  look like on field of play is what makes baseball, baseball.. We're going to see many unkowns these 2 years..unknowns to Cubs fans if known elsewhere. Some  will stay, some wont. What a great season its going to be.one of the most intriguing in years,and a very unique one. So much is new but baseball is baseball and Cubs are the Cubs.GO CUBS. BRING IT ON!   Wontbelong!

I hope others will  enjoy the upcoming season(s ) for what they are.
wrig224
SinceAug 18, 2006
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Cubs Pick Up Adrian Cardenas

February 12, 2012 10:00 am

If it is moves like this that is the bedrock of the future team, this team is going to suck for a long time.
for the last 3 years Kboy has been telling how stupid we were to say a pathetic non competetive team sucked....suddenly he's decided it's ok.    
hooterville2
SinceMar 15, 2008