Did NCAA overstep its bounds with Ohio State? D...

Eagle. you have to be the dumbest person ever to post on the internet. USC stonewalled for 5 years. said screw you to the ncaa, had a coach who new and high tailed it. it involved hundreds of thousands of dollars, multiple players across three sports. not tattoos. What I absolutely hate is the fact that USC fans and apologists cannot even get a single fact straight about their own school and not even care about what went on. not once has any single person alive taken any real accountability for what USC did. except the NCAA.

The bowl ban should of been longer at least 3 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

5 by 22... you just surpassed anyone for the dumbest person posting on the internet! Ohio state was caught in more than you seem to want to admit. Particulary the fact that your coach broke countless rules in the hiding of these issues and lying about it till he got caught. And then being allowed to have 4 illegal players in the Sugar bowl, without a doubt affecting the outcome. And of coarse those wonderful kids came back with there coach to face their suspentions. I have no love for so cal as they should have got the death penalty as well as Ohio state for at least 2 years. At the very least, ohio state should have got the same punishment as so cal.

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The person chiefly repsonsible for the compliance of a football team with NCAA rules is the head coach.
The head coach of aOSC not only knew and lied, but aided and abetted rule-breaking and the evasion of consequences.

None of this is true about the team that regularly kicks aOSC's ass.

HOG and Corona you dont know what your talking about.  First, the NCAA might just have more info than you , dontcha think?  And it was the Sugar Bowl CEO who lobbied for the NCAA to allow OSU to play the players(source: MW connection dec 29,2011) and Tressel actually didnt want them to play (source: Ozone  July 27,2011).   And Corona --your coach skipped town,  your  AD was uncooperative with the NCAA and one of the reasons he was FIRED  and your infractions invoved more $$, houses and MULTIPLE sports.  As for the USC --OSU  series record , its 13-9-1 in your favor--NOT a regular kicking by any stretch of anyones imagination --EXCEPT for those Trojan fans who still cant see why you got hit harder by the NCAA.   Take another toke...youll feel better  poor baby

For some reason Ohio State always gets the benefit of doubt. USC got hamered over Bush, OSU was given a slap on the wrist. Don't even get me started over the whole Maurice Clarett deal. OSU fans are blind to OSU infractions. Most Buckeye fans would have kept Tressel. AT OSU it's just win any way you can. Their fans are arogant and rude.

What Maurice Clarett deal? You do know that the entire championship team was declared innocent and clean YEARS ago do you not. Please do share as to what Maurice Clarett deal you are referring to because, i can't think of any while he was affiliated with the university.By the way, many osu fans were calling for tressel gee and smith to be gone. Just thought i'd let you know.

SMU got the death penalty for the same thing Ohio St did, but they did get a bowl ban

My dear friend, SMU did a little bit worse than ohio state. Please try to compare them. I dare you.

Ban should have been longer. If their infractions had been over one year, then I would understand, but they happened over a decade. A one year bowl ban is simply a slap on the wrist and most around the country would agree. How your athletic director kept his job is still the biggest mystery to most.

Of course the NCAA overstepped their bounds, but with the rampant cheating that they have allowed and have yet to punish, they had to make an example of someone--and USC was still under a ban. What happened at OSU was actually very minor and turned into something bigger by media and the fact that Tressel's bosses told him to keep quiet--I don't care how willing he was to take the fall alone, he didn't make that decision alone. The added bonuses this year like the summer jobs and the charity ball prizes was an outright joke. I'm figuring that SC and Miami should be looking at a 3 year bowl ban and a lot of lost scholarships if this sideshow is anything to go by.......

Under stepped. Ban should have been three years and 15 scollies min.

Under stepped. Ban should have been three years and 15 scollies min.

For what selling their own stuff?  That was a 3-4 game suspension like Green had for Georgia, nothing more.  Earning a few extra pennies on their summer job?  How do you even prove that?  I mean if you work for me and do good, I can't pay you a few extra bucks for the good work?  Bogus to begin with.  Recieving gift bags that ALL donors got a charity function?  They did donate their time, right?  So where is the harm?  I served in the military and that was one of the few benefits we were allowed to accept--when it was given to everyone and not just us because we were in the military, so how can college athletes have a harsher requirement?  The NCAA way overstepped their bounds as the bowl ban should have been this year and done.       


  

For what selling their own stuff? 

For selling the stuff that was given to them by the university which is a clearly stated violation of amateur status.  That is clear correct?  Regardless of whether you like the rules they are the rules and I am sure it was clear to the coaches even if the coaches didn't enlighten the players the way they should have been enlightened.  then again, it's common sense and should have been clear to the players even if the coaches didn't preach it.

That was a 3-4 game suspension like Green had for Georgia, nothing more. 

Didn't Green get busted for selling one jersey?  Didn't the O$U players (stress playerS) get busted selling multiple items?  You see the difference correct?

 Earning a few extra pennies on their summer job?  How do you even prove that?  I mean if you work for me and do good, I can't pay you a few extra bucks for the good work?  Bogus to begin with.

So you're saying give them a bonus under the table?  that would be tax evasion correct?  Or are you saying it's OK to pay them even when they don't show up or they aren't even expected to show up?  Hard to put in a good days work if your not even there.  It's not hard to prove that a person isn't showing up for a job and if it's under the table pay there's going to be issues either way.

Recieving gift bags that ALL donors got a charity function?  They did donate their time, right?  So where is the harm? 

Volunteers and doners are 2 different things.  These guys got to volunteer for charity and that good feeling is all the payment they should need.  Otherwise it's not volunteering.

I served in the military and that was one of the few benefits we were allowed to accept--when it was given to everyone and not just us because we were in the military, so how can college athletes have a harsher requirement? 

Maybe we should teach them to kill.  Maybe we should teach them to survive in extreme conditions, to sleep in mud or snow, to strip a weapon, to control a riot.  Maybe they should learn to fly a jet, drive a tank or sail an aircraft carrier.  Maybe we should teach them how to invade a terrorist stronghold and all the other things that our young men who fight for this country learn.  Or maybe we should treat them like 18-22 year olds who are getting a free education for playing a sport and not like a person trained and paid to defend our country. 

Bishop--your rebuttal has some merit but also some errors and assumptions as well.  First,  NOT every player sold more than one momento--some just sold a  game ring, a jersey or a pair of shoes.  Secondly , the example of the military was not used in militaristic terms--it was meant that IF the benefit was available to ALL participants at a function --then you could also partake.  Now, that still doesnt exonerate the players from accepting said gifts but your OVER the TOP combat example was a tad too much.  I, too served in the military , and we were cautioned once off base--any violation (traffic accident as an example) could lead to  'double jeopardy' ; where you could be charged not only in civilian court but also  under the UCMJ  (uniform code of military justice) for the same offense.  Bottom line--OSU was very surprised by the NCAA ruling , especially since they had been so proactive in their self adminstered penalties and also since NO program had ever received a bowl ban when NOT charged with LOIC (which we werent).

Under stepped. Should have been much longer.