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February 8, 2012 5:54 pm

It is time to get rid of the Kings and Hornets. 28 teams would work sooo much better. 2 conferences, four divisions of seven teams each. Four team playoff in each division with division champs playing each other and then title round or you could have six teams from each conference make the playoffs with division winners getting byes. Season would consist of playing each team from the other conference twice (28 games), playing each team from your conference four times (52 games) for a total of 80. Here would be my divisions:

ATLANTIC
Boston Celtics
Brooklyn Nets
New York Knicks
Philadelphia 76ers
Washington Wizards
Charlotte Bobcats
Atlanta Hawks   

SOUTH
Miami Heat
Orlando Magic
Memphis Grizzlies
Oklahoma City Thunder
San Antonio Spurs
Dallas Mavericks
Houston Rockets         


CENTRAL
Cleveland Cavaliers
Milwaukee Bucks
Toronto Raptors
Detroit Pistons
Chicago Bulls
Indiana Pacers
Minnesota Timberwolves       

WEST
Denver Nuggets
Utah Jazz
Los Angeles Lakers
Los Angeles Clippers
Phoenix Suns
Portland Trailblazers
Golden State Warriors 

Thoughts?                 
abc
SinceOct 5, 2006
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February 8, 2012 7:02 pm

4 teams contract into 2



The Sacrament Kings and the Charlotte Bobcats merge. They move to London, and become the London BOBCAT KINGS. With a Dark pather like mascot with a pimped out crown and a paw in a thinking pose on the chin.


The New Orleans Hornets and the Toronto Raptors merge. They move to Mexico City and become the Mexico City Raptor Hornets. The Logo will be a pissed off raptor with a bunch of hornets circling while he swats your face with a claw mark.


That is all.




Inimical
SinceFeb 5, 2008
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February 8, 2012 9:25 pm

Interesting concept.  I think one of the teams that should be axed is the Cleveland Cavs.  After all you suggested it, so you should your team.
BEARSFANNH
SinceOct 6, 2006
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February 9, 2012 10:22 am

Interesting concept.  I think one of the teams that should be axed is the Cleveland Cavs.  After all you suggested it, so you should your team.

If the NBA ever contracted the teams they got rid of would be based on how much money they bring in and not how good the team is. Cleveland might be one of the worst teams in the league right now but I believe it still makes more money than teams like OKC and Memphis simply because it is a bigger market.
EverettFB
SinceMar 28, 2007
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February 10, 2012 12:11 am

According to Forbes 2011 results, bottom two teams for Revenue, Operating Income and Value are:

  • Revenue - Nets, $89 million & Grizzlies, $92 million [Top = Knicks, $226 million & Lakers, $214 million]
  • Operating Income (Loss) - Magic, ($23.1) million & Bobcats ($20.0) million [Top = Knicks, $64.0 million & Bulls, $54.3 million]
  • Value - Bucks, $258 million & Timberwolves, $264 million [Top = Knicks, $655 million & Lakers, $643 million]

The problem is, no matter what numbers you look at, the bottom feeders always include a large market team, I don't think anyone looking for contraction would suggest the Nets, Magic or Bucks as candidates.

Besides, would dropping 2/30 teams, less than 10%, impact the game that much?  We'd probably have to see a 30-40% decrease in players to see a real concentration of talent, and that would mean dropping 9-12 teams.  Aint gonna happen.

If you want to see better play, have the referees call every foul, travel, charge, block, pick and dribble violation, no matter how much the player earns in salary and endorsements, no matter if the game is on the home court or away.  Most of the stars would foul out by the end of each game, but we'd see a huge change in the type of players teams would draft with few players coming out of college early that couldn't play fundemental basketball.  Though the level of play would ultimately improve, the watchability factor would decrease and fan base would erode in the short term.  Aint gonna happen.

The NBA is like the publicly traded corporate world, investors/owners want more profit, and if quality is sacrificed in the process, nobody cares as long as there's a financial payoff in the end.  The only thing Stern worries about is decreasing revenues.  With overall league revenues up 27.9% & 5.3% over the past 10 and 5 years respectively, the leagues perspective is if it aint broke, don't fix it.

OneEyedPaul
SinceJan 8, 2009
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February 10, 2012 6:36 am

I don't care about the big money behind the NBA, but as a fan, here's what I'd do were I running the show. 

First order of business is to axe the Raptors, Hornets, Bobcats, and Nets. My justification for this is quite simple.

  • The Raptors are Canada-based. I have nothing against Canada. But this is the National Basketball Association. And they are really not all that good. Their team is the perfect example of what an inflated league does to the bottom-tier teams. Every single one of their players should be a bench/role player on a better team. Every single one of them. Who wouldn't like having DeMar DeRozan coming off the bench as a scoring 2? Or Andrea Bargnani as your 3rd or 4th big. in a Toni Kukoc (old school) or Ryan Anderson (more recent) type role?
  • The Hornets have no owner. Seemingly no one wants to buy them. New Orleans is a sorry basketball town. They don't care. The future is grim in New Orleans without a superstar. And that's too bad. 
  • The Bobcats are the "South Toronto Raptors" if you will. A perfect example of what a diluted (and deluded) league looks like. 
  • The Nets were my final pick because frankly, New York doesn't need 2 teams in every major sport. I am not an East Coast hater, I just think New York should be a Knicks town and cut it right there. I don't think very many people in New York or New Jersey would care.  
With these four teams out of the way, divisions would be restructured as such (for the time being- more later.) Italics indicate teams that switch divisions. 

Eastern Conference
Atlantic
Boston Celtics
New York Knicks
Philadelphia 76ers
Washington Wizards*

Central
Chicago Bulls
Indiana Pacers
Detroit Pistons
Milwaukee Bucks
Cleveland Cavaliers

Southeast
Miami Heat
Atlanta Hawks
Orlando Magic
Memphis Grizzlies

Western Conference
Southwest
San Antonio Spurs
Dallas Mavericks
Houston Rockets
Denver Nuggets

Northwest
Portland Trail Blazers
Oklahoma City Thunder*
Utah Jazz
Minnesota Timberwolves 

Pacific
Los Angeles Lakers
Los Angeles Clippers
Phoenix Suns
Sacramento Kings
Golden State Warriors

Since I decided to contract four teams, each league would be evenly divided into 13 teams- 2 divisions of 4 and 1 of 5. I tried to keep teams in divisions by proximity. Since the Southwest division loses both New Orleans and Memphis, I had to pick a team from one of the other west divisions. Phoenix and Denver were the closest to Texas. I ultimately decided on Denver as I felt they would do better to keep the conference balanced evenly. 

My decision to move Memphis was based basically on the fact that they are the most "eastern" of the western conference's teams. (Maybe Minnesota is, but the Wolves are better suited to playing in the Northwest than the Grizzlies are, unless they were to move back to Vancouver.) 

My other selfish suggestions:

  • *Move the Thunder back to Seattle, rename them the SuperSonics, forcibly remove Clay Bennett as owner, build them a new, top-notch arena (paid on Clay Bennett's and the NBA's tab), and make them publicly-funded, just like the Packers in football. 
I KNOW THIS IS A COMPLETE PIPE DREAM! But given the way the Sonics were STOLEN from Seattle, this would be the best form of poetic justice I can think of. Clay Bennett humiliated. David Stern humiliated. The City of Seattle rewarded with a fine, lovable team that they will own and a new spiffy arena to match. That would be a great make-up present for Seattle. No, it would never happen, but a guy can dream. 

  • *Can we please rename the Wizards the Bullets again! Pretty please? They already redid their uniforms, take it one step further...PLEASE! 
bronxzoo
SinceAug 27, 2006
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February 10, 2012 6:45 am

I like bronxzoo suggestions, especially the ones about the sonics.


There were 3 sonic fans at the portland game the other night. Decked out in sonic gear with sonic towel and everything.

If they do go back to Seattle they should change there name to the Seattle Super Duper Sonics

Also, BOBCAT Kings.
Inimical
SinceFeb 5, 2008
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February 10, 2012 10:18 am

If everyone wants to contract the Hornets that's fun but at least give factual evidence as to why they should.  There's plenty of reasons to contract them but saying nobody in New Orleans cares (when they sold 10,000 season tickets) and saying nobody wants to buy them (when there are, at least, 3 major groups trying to do it) is entirely false.

Thanks.
GoHornets21
SinceNov 17, 2006
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February 10, 2012 10:23 am

Besides, would dropping 2/30 teams, less than 10%, impact the game that much?  We'd probably have to see a 30-40% decrease in players to see a real concentration of talent, and that would mean dropping 9-12 teams.  Aint gonna happen.
Perfect point that's too smart for anyone else to recognize.  The league's already developed an identity as well that won't be changed by contraction.  Contracting all these "sorry" franchises isn't going to do anything but make the rich richer.  Do you think by contracting Charlotte, New Orleans and Toronto that these guys will suddenly want to go play for Oklahoma City or for Milwaukee?  I doubt it.  After all, it'll make the rush to Los Angeles and New York even more frantic.  Contraction wouldn't do anything to prevent the rich from getting richer because the players have already adopted that mindset.
GoHornets21
SinceNov 17, 2006
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February 10, 2012 10:25 am

I KNOW THIS IS A COMPLETE PIPE DREAM! But given the way the Sonics were STOLEN from Seattle, this would be the best form of poetic justice I can think of. Clay Bennett humiliated. David Stern humiliated. The City of Seattle rewarded with a fine, lovable team that they will own and a new spiffy arena to match. That would be a great make-up present for Seattle. No, it would never happen, but a guy can dream.
Yeah, by the way, that's a real classy move on the part of Seattle trying to buy the Sacramento Kings and move them up there and rename them the Supersonics.  The Sonics fans should just go away.  All they did was whine and moan about having their team taken away and they deserved to feel upset.  The city of Seattle was screwed right from the start.  Honestly, a part of me wishes that were the Hornets still playing in Oklahoma City.

However.

Given that you as a community know how it feels to have your team taken away from you, why in the hell are you trying to do the exact same thing to another city?!  If you care so much about having your team ripped from you then why are you going to do it to Sacramento?  Just doesn't make any sense to em.
GoHornets21
SinceNov 17, 2006
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February 10, 2012 11:02 am

Yeah, by the way, that's a real classy move on the part of Seattle trying to buy the Sacramento Kingsand move them up there and rename them the Supersonics.  The Sonics fans should just go away.  All they did was whine and moan about having their team taken away and they deserved to feel upset.  The city of Seattle was screwed right from the start.  Honestly, a part of me wishes that were theHornets still playing in Oklahoma City.

However.

Given that you as a community know how it feels to have your team taken away from you, why in the hell are you trying to do the exact same thing to another city?!  If you care so much about having your team ripped from you then why are you going to do it to Sacramento?  Just doesn't make any sense to em.
You are clueless. This thread's whole point will cause a lot of pain for certain cities. You can't get around it. Someone is going to have to get hurt to help someone else. It's not an ideal situation but the blame lies solely on the NBA if they choose contraction. Don't blame Seattle. Don't blame New Orleans. 

The root of this problem is the Oklahoma City ownership group and David Stern. Start there. 
bronxzoo
SinceAug 27, 2006
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February 10, 2012 11:20 am

Inimical: You break me up! Too funny!!

Contraction is a good idea for basketball but might be bad for the economy. With 30 teams, it is just too watered down. You could go to 24 and the quality would rise. On the other hand, fans are still paying to watch bad teams play allbeit some teams are struggling to maintain a fan base.

In tough economic times to lose 6 teams would be a lot of money pulled out of the economy: at least $270,000,000 in salary to players, thousands of jobs from CEO's to parking attendants. Even cutting 2 teams would be a blow to the economy. Not a good time to do anything that hurts the average worker.

So from a basketball perspective I am all for contraction; for all those folks depending on those teams for work, I oppose contraction.
Jim F13
SinceDec 10, 2006
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February 10, 2012 11:45 am

Interesting post.  I agree with a few of your suggestions, but I'd take this a step further, by contracting the league to just twenty (20) teams total; ten (10) teams in each conference.

Your suggestion to move OKC to Seattle would cause a major rift in the league.  Sure, the Thunder's owner is a jerk, but the team has a very large following and not just in Oklahoma.  Many folks from Kansas, Arkansa and Texas are now trucking into OKC for their games and the team's popularity is simply put ... HUGE.

Eastern Conference
NORTH
Boston Celtics
New York Knicks
Philadelphia 76ers
Washington Wizards
Chicago Bulls

EAST
Indiana Pacers
Miami Heat
Atlanta Hawks
Orlando Magic
Memphis Grizzlies

Western Conference
SOUTH
San Antonio Spurs
Dallas Mavericks
Houston Rockets
Denver Nuggets
Oklahoma City Thunder

WEST
Portland Trail Blazers
Los Angeles Lakers
Los Angeles Clippers
Phoenix Suns
Golden State Warriors

The players from the eliminated teams would then be doled out to the new league, with preference given to the last place teams to receive the "star" players from the eliminated squads.  So that would mean the Magic, Wizards, Warriors and Suns would immediately have a cahnce to infuse younger and more athletic players onto their rosters.  To make the rosters more ameniable, I'd also increase the existing size of the team from 12 (really 15), to 17 (or really 20).  Naturally, team budgets would need to increase to allow the addition of 5 players to each squad.

If the eliminated teams want to compete, then why not have them listed in the NBA's "D-League", since many of the players are mediocre and needing improvement.  This would expand the D-League, and as currently linked, the remaining NBA squads would then have a larger potential pool of players to choose from, when the need arises.

Would this happen?  Oh hell no, but it might work in making the league more competitive.  With all the "Big" whatever squads trying to be formed within the league today (i.e., Miami, NYK, etc.), why not make all 20 teams "Big".

Food for thought.  In the front office of the league, Stern needs to go, along with his cronies.  These guys need to be rotated in / out every four to six years.  There would need to be a caveat put into the bylaws that would restrict OWNERS from working in the league's front office, as we all know Cuban would make a run for the Commissioner's job.  Heaven help us all if his bloated ego got elected.

DeepCover59
SinceJul 29, 2009
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February 10, 2012 12:38 pm

Deep Cover: some good thoughts there but seriously, Toronto is the 4th largest market in the NBA. Toronto needs better decision making, not elimination.

Reducing to 20 might be good for the basketball product on the court but that would pull around a billion dollars out of the economy. Personally I think all those jobs are more important than prima dona players and elitist owners.
Jim F13
SinceDec 10, 2006
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February 10, 2012 2:02 pm

You are clueless. This thread's whole point will cause a lot of pain for certain cities. You can't get around it. Someone is going to have to get hurt to help someone else. It's not an ideal situation but the blame lies solely on the NBA if they choose contraction. Don't blame Seattle. Don't blame New Orleans.
Who's clueless, homeboy?  You're not helping anybody by eliminating these teams.  These guys still want to go to the bigger markets.  You can keep the Milwaukee's and Minnesota's and Atlanta's and cut the "bottom feeders" (which is funny, since their inception into the NBA, the Hornets have regularly been a playoff team or close to it; yet are lumped in with the bottom feeders) but these guys still want to go to Los Angeles and New York.  Hell, Brandon Jennings came out today and said when his contract goes up he's going to look at bigger markets. 

So who are you helping?  Those teams that are benefitting now will benefit later.  They don't need any help.
GoHornets21
SinceNov 17, 2006
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February 10, 2012 2:40 pm

Who's clueless, homeboy?  You're not helping anybody by eliminating these teams.  These guys still want to go to the bigger markets.  You can keep the Milwaukee's and Minnesota's and Atlanta's and cut the "bottom feeders" (which is funny, since their inception into the NBA, the Hornets have regularly been a playoff team or close to it; yet are lumped in with the bottom feeders) but these guys still want to go to Los Angeles and New York.  Hell, Brandon Jennings came out today and said when his contract goes up he's going to look at bigger markets.  
Did you read my post or just jump when I called you out? This is contraction. Not everyone will get helped. Someone is getting hurt here. It's unavoidable. Sorry, but that's just how it's going to work. 

So who are you helping?  Those teams that are benefitting now will benefit later.  They don't need any help.
Contraction's goal is not competitive balance, its goal is to protect its economic profits.  

bronxzoo
SinceAug 27, 2006
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February 10, 2012 3:13 pm

Contraction's goal is not competitive balance, its goal is to protect its economic profits.
What does cutting jobs across the board do for the economy?  So the owners don't have to pay for much, therefore they save more money?  League mandated competitive balance (salary caps, revenue sharing, etc.) is a way to protect economic profits and those were options the league could have taken this offseason.  Contractions doesn't guarantee a protection of economic profits.
GoHornets21
SinceNov 17, 2006
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February 10, 2012 3:51 pm

Alright i normally stay away from the volatile but i have to say this.

Obviously GOHORNETS is pretty pissed off at the idea of doing right by the Sonics and screwing over a city and team he loves from NO. I guess we already want to take away a team from a city that has more publicly then any other city struggled to support it's team in the wake of a horrible disaster. And New Orleans has gone out and tried its best to keep its team scratching and clawing the whole way through. Its admirable. There is some emotion involved and i wouldn't expect any less after what the city has gone through. I think if that happened in LA and someone wanted to take away my Lakers it wouldn't go down the same way at all. Apples and Oranges and its not right. All in all NO does deserve a team, they have banned together and pulled it out of their asses to keep them. And would most certainty not be struggling as much, and so publicly if at all if not for the Hurricane.

Also the OP never stated why the league would contract so it was left up to interpretation....to each their own.

I think the goal of contraction would be both. Economic balance and competitive balance. The recent CBA squabble over money and competitive balance was very apparent and of the top issues. So contraction must be considered, and alas there was a point made, someones feelings will get hurt, and thats just how it is if so. Meanwhile the league has been quoted as saying it would like to expand in the future. Wtf****? Thats why i propose merging teams instead of completely eliminating them, and add to that splitting home games in cities lol. Sort of serious. If contraction does occur, but i suspect it wont because i see the economy improving over the next 10 years, somebody will be pissed.


Inimical
SinceFeb 5, 2008
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February 10, 2012 6:46 pm

Conraction is a touchy subject for some fans.  Living in L.A. without a pro football team (no, USC doesn't count) has been a drag, and I'm sure there isn't a fan base out there that wants to see their NBA team disapear.

But there's a different reason why contraction is merely a pipe dream (as in crack pipe).  Whether contraction is suggested to improve competition, financial performance, or both, the notion is quaint and unfounded.  While it's true that 1/2 of the teams in 2011 lost money, there are two specific reasons for this, neither of which had to do with over-expansion.

Reason #1:  Gate Receipts were down substantially as a direct result of the overal national economy
Reason #2:  Player salaries were too high as a % of gross revenues

The league knows that the economy will eventually rebound, and the current CBA corrected the player salaries issue.  Consequently the league feels that further corrrections are unfounded.  Reducing the number of teams in the league would further erode the overall revenues of the league; last year the league's bottom 10 teams represented $1 billion in gross revenues.  Contraction would not be able to replace those revenues.  Besides, contraction would cause the players to see a sizable reduction in their earnings as a group, reduce the number of choices and opportunities for veteran FA's, and reduce the pool of potential bidders for young FA's - hence the players union would not support the notion of contraction.

Lastly, the 10 bottom teams represent $2.6 billion in market value.  How would these owners get compensated for their investment under contraction scenarios?  Either the league would have to revoke their franchises, where the resulting law suits would effectively kill the NBA, or the other owners would have to reach into their pockets and buy the bottom owners out.  Since the very owners that are making money would have to now pay for underperforming franchises, what would their incentive be for doing so?  Successful franchises are already making money, why would these owners pay someone else unless they received value in return?  Consequently there's no economic basis for buying back the franchises that would be contracted.

As far as the suggestion about Stern, creating a revolving stewardship, remember the commissioner serves at the pleasure of the owners.  If the owners want they can vote in or out any individual or system they choose for franchise governance.  Perhaps the players and fans don't like Stern, but based on what I've seen, with a few exceptions, the owners love him.  Since he became commissioner in 1984 league revenues have increased 500%.  And the last CBA is a testament to Stern's ability to represent the owners favorably against the players union.  There are many times I've disliked Stern, but I think the balance of the owners support him and the fan's opinions mean little as long as league revenues continue to climb. 

 

 

OneEyedPaul
SinceJan 8, 2009