Three Point Line

Well guys once again the three point line has cost us another win and caused a better team to lose to an inferior team. So my question is do you think the NCAA should move the three point line back to the NBA three point line? I for one am all for this and would love to see it happen as soon as possible. I am so tired of seeing a team play a great all around game just to lose to some team jacking up threes all game. It happened last night ofcourse but I have been hoping the NCAA would do something about this for the last 3 or 4 years. I have hated how college basketball has turned into a three point contest every since these dinky schools have started wiining games in the NCAA Tournament just becasue they get hot from three.

What do you guys think should they move back the three point line or do you like giving inferior teams a better chance to win with the shorter three point line ?

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Or instead of changing the rules because UNC doesn't have good perimeter defence or outside shooters, maybe a certain team should learn to play perimeter defence. I think that would be a lot simpler.

It has nothing to do with Carolina about changing the three point line. I just don't like to see a game where a team has to shoot 30 something threes to win a game.  I didn't like seeing the top seeds last year in the tournament lose to teams that got hot from three either. I don't know why anyone would want to watch an inferior team beat a better all around team just because one team got lucky from the three point line.

The 3 point line isn't why UNC lost, the Zeller Tip in played a big role, can't blame that on the 3 ball line. Also, the missed freethrows by Barnes and Zeller to close it out. If UNC makes their free-throws then they win..    

I agree Tyson we let Duke of the hook in a lot of different ways but missing free throws really hurt. The tip in by Zeller really hurt but when a guy shoves you in the back there isn't much you can do. It's funny you mentioned that play and coack K mentions the Curry three and both of those plays were bad missed calls by the refs. I usually respect your insight Tyson but if you think the 3 point line didn't win Duke the game I have no respect for your insight anymore. Duke scored 42 points from three we scored 3 that is a 39 point difference so I'm pretty sure that won Duke the game.

C'mon guys, no excuses. Lets not sound like sour grapes here. Duke made 3s, yes....But we could have made 3s too. And, knowing that all they do is shoot 3s, we should have been better able to defend it, but we didnt. No excuses. We lost.

Same problem as usual with Roy's teams.  They don't want to play defense and flat out refuse to do it.  Especially the 3.


If it weren't for 2 supremely talented teams, Roy wouldn't have any titles.  He's not a good coach.


Duke does one thing well.  They shoot the 3.  How about we make it a point to stop it?  How about it Roy? 

Going through these Duke related threads one last time to see if I have any more input and then I'm moving on to Saturday...

1) The 3 pointers WERE the story last night, as they're the only reason Duke kept that game close.  Duke struggled to score in the paint last night, so they went with outside shots, which they hit at a good enough clip.  3 pointers are the reason why Duke won last night, as they hit enough to stick close when UNC started making its pushes and it helped them catch up quick at the end, so don't try and say otherwise tyson.

2) Moving the 3 point line doesn't solve the real problem.  Going into this game, every single person who knows anything about Duke basketball and their roster this year knew they were going to take a lot of 3's.  And yet UNC did an awful job at times of defending the three.  They played solid defense at times, but started the game flat to let Duke get hot, and had more brain farts in the 2nd half.  For whatever reason UNC played awful 3 point defense too often last night, and that's the real problem.

3) UNC is good defensive team - they just get lazy. This reference to "flat out" refusing to play it is garbage.  The problem is that for whatever reason, they can't put together a complete game.

Maybe I should have said before I started this thread that this has nothing to do with Duke. This is all about how I feel about teams shooting nothing but threes and teams beating teams they shouldn't. That might apply to Duke this year but lets be honest usually Duke can do a lot more then just shoot threes. Last year they had one of the best all around teams in the country so this is not about Duke. The point of this thread is I want to know how people feel about the three point shot playing such a big role in college basketball. I for one do not like the fact that a team can jack threes and beat a team they shouldn't. So I think the three point line should be moved back to make the shot harder and I want to know what you guys think ? I don't care who you pull for all I want to know is should the three point line be moved back and why. Go Heels !!!!!!!! 

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Anybody that has ever played basketball knows that the refs aren't going to make everycall.

Your right calls are missed but usually not easy calls with no one around. We could talk about the Curry travel before the three with no one around him. How about Kelly throwing up an air ball that the ref said Henson touched that he didn't which also led to a three. I understand calls being missed around the basket but not calls with no one around where the ref has a clear view of the play. I have problems with blatant missed calls not little fouls that could go either way. With that being said the calls shouldn't have mattered because we should have hit our free throws and took care of the ball and blew Duke out.

You'd have an argument if the 3 point line was only availble for one team, but its not both teams are given the same opportunity to shoot the 3, it just so happens duke did it well. Had duke lost then you'd be saying that Duke lost becuase they only shoot the 3... Sorry but you can't have it both ways.  


Actually if Duke lost I would be saying how in the world did we beat them when they had 42 points to our 3 from the three point line. I actually said that the whole game to my friends I said how are we winning this game with Duke hitting so many threes. Dickie V said before the game Duke needs to hit 10 threes to win and I thought that sounded right but they hit 14 and we still should have won. I knew coming in to the game the only chance Duke had was to hit a bunch of threes and they did so you have to congradulate them for that.  If it wasn't for 42 points from the three point line we wouldn't be saying anything about slowing the game down or the missed free throws because we would have been up by 30 something. That is my point and the point you seem to not understand. The three point shot for Duke was the difference in the game and win or lose UNC needs to focus of defending the three better not the tip in by Zeller or missing free throws or the calls good or bad by the refs.


           

I seriously have to wonder what goes on in practice. As everyone has said, we KNEW that Dook's gameplan was to shoot the 3. We've shown that we can play defense when we want to. So what were they practicing leading up to the game? If it wasn't guarding the 3 then it was a wasted practice session.

Let's look at some numbers. Excluding the KU game, UNC's other three losses have glaring similarities from 3pt land.

Dook made 14-36 | UNC was 1-6
FSU made 12-27 | UNC was 4-21
UNLV made 13- 32 | UNC was 4-9

So what does this show? UNC can't defend the three nor shoot it themselves.
Houston, we have a problem. Hello Roy, these are basic stats everyone understands except you.

Exactly what I was trying to say about the three allowing lesser teams to stay with good teams. Roy needs to understand that no longer can you leave the three point shot open and expect teams to only make 6 or 7. The three point shot has really taken over college basketball right now and I don't like but we better start adjusting to it or we will be gone quickly come March. I think the NCAA needs to realize this as well and move the three point line back. Kids now are bigger and stronger then ever and have no problem knocking down a bunch of threes if that is what they are coached to do. They didn't like it when Dean used four corners so they brought out the shot clock well now it's time to move back the three point line and take away the inferiors teams advantage. I would like to watch more basketball and less of a three point shootout but dangit Roy if they don't change it learn to guard it. Go Heels !!!!

A few things about Duke and the 3 ball...

- The 36 attempts were obviously a ton; there were a few forced shots, but most of them were pretty solid looks.
- Going into the Carolina game, Duke was basically hitting about 8-20 per game on treys for the season (officially they were at 39.3%)
- Duke hit 14-36 in this game (38.9%)


So, they took a ton more 3s than they normally do, but they hit right at their season avg%.  I'd say that was the main emphasis for Duke heading into this game, knowing that Carolina would probably dominate inside defensively and on the boards but would be fairly vulnerable guarding the perimeter.
 

I'd argue that poor defense and poor freethrow shooting on UNC's part is how Duke caught up so quickly...

HAD UNC knocked down free throws we aren't even having this conversation.

Tyson...I don't think poor ft shooting by UNC can be attributed to the loss...Duke missed the exact same amount as UNC (they both missed 9). 

This game came down to a few blatant missed calls (Zeller was fouled on the tip in and Curry took 4 steps before nailing his 3), and the inability of UNC to cover anybody shooting from behind the arc.

My final thought on the play at the end of the game was Zeller was too far off of Rivers...his arms were out to the side.  He should have ran straight at Rivers with his arms straight up and got right in his face.  He actually should have fouled him before the shot.  Put him on the line to shoot 2...if he makes both we go to overtime...if he misses one (he'd already missed three in the game) game over. 

How is the three point line not the story.... What did dook shoot to get back into the game?? Who attempt like 35 threes and who only made 1-6. If your not gonna defend the three point line with duke your gonna be in trouble. Mix that with UNC only making 1 three.... You almost have to be flawless and not miss free throws. UNC took the foot off the gas and if they hadnt it would be a different story. But if you don't defend the three like UNC and if you don't shoot enough or make enough like UNC chances are against a good three point you will lose. Three point is the main topic and why UNC lost the game yes misses free throws we're bad but duke made a flurry of threes to put pressure on UNC to make free throws.

Looking back at the game, a ton of those 3's were shot from close to NBA range, so I don't believe it would have changed the result.  Making free throws and getting some defensive rebounds in the last 3 minutes would make it a Tar Heel win.  That goes to depth, which has all but disappeared.

Having  said that, I agree that the 3-point line should be moved back.  But do you think the mid-majors will allow that to happen?

. . . Or maybe this team is pure G A R B A G E?


THIS TEAM JUST SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS!!! 

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It's not about where the 3 point line is...it's about defending the 3 point line.  How many wide open looks did Duke get from 3?  Most of them.  Why?  Worried about them in the paint or driving into the trees?  No.  It was because we are lazy on D.  Most of the 3's Duke took couldn't be passed up.  Until our perimeter defenders to decide to play up on shooters and force them to put the ball on the floor we will be vulnerable to teams that shoot the 3 well.

And shooters are shooters...backing up the line a few feet won't matter.  Wide open vs contested....that's the story.