The QB Dilemma

This offseason is going to define Shanahan's term here at Washington!!! 

Who do you think he is going to choose for our QB of the 2012 Washingon Redskins?

I believe that we have a few options at QB....(none include Peyton Manning)

Matt Flynn
Kyle Orton
RG III
Rex Grossman

These are the 4 main options we have that could provide us with the best chance at success for the next season...

Matt Flynn: PROS: Young, showed much potential, learned from the best CONS: young, unproven, little starts

Kyle Orton: PROS: Average(not great but average...could be a stopgap for drafting the next QB), Solid arm CONS: makes bad decisions, and doesn't impress

RGIII: PROS: Young, talented, fits shanny's system, accurate CONS: unproven, 50/50 chance at being a NFL quarterback, size

Rex Grossman: PROS: knows the offense, familiar with the WR's, CONS:Turnover machine, gun slinger, makes pour choices


MY OPINION: I think we should go after Matt Flynn and not trade away our draft picks that we need to continue the rebuilding of the team.  Matt Flynn would allow us to upgrade our QB position and also upgrade our offensive line and skill position players...the problem is that our QB is not the only hole....we need to address more....Matt Flynn

I don't understand all the hype with Flynn, he had ONE good game his entire career! And now he is the hottest thing on the market.  The reports for this dude coming out of college were that he had poor arm strength, a lot of his balls would hit the ground and he isn't accurate.  The only FA QB that I would welcome here is Orton and even with him I still believe we must trade up for Griffin or Luck.

I've already stated that my preference is to sign Matt Flynn in FA. Unfortunately for him, a lot of people will not believe in him until he goes somewhere else and plays well. That's the chance every QB takes when he moves on to another team. The biggest mistake that teams make though, is they bring a guy from one type of offense and then try to fit him into their offensive scheme. That's where you end up with QB's who suck at their new stop.

There are very few QB's who have ever played in the NFL who could probably play in any type of offense and do very well. Most QB's fit a certain type of offense that suits their abilities.

That's what the new team that signs Matt Flynn should do. Of course, that's the problem if he comes here. The Shanny's will try to force him into Kyle's offense and it might not be the best fit for him. Hell, Kyle was the dumb ass who called long passing plays when his QB has a noodle arm. I.E. Grossman.

So if Flynn comes here, I hope Shanahan and company watches the tape of him, both preseason and the few games he's played in during the regular season and tailor the offense to fit him. That's how you're going to get the best out of him. I just don't see the dumb ass OC doing that. He has a huge ego when he has done very little in the NFL to deserve it. I.E. Kyle Shanahan.

Anyway, I'd rather sign Flynn than we can then use our early round picks on maybe Blackmon, if available or Claybourne or maybe one of the top OL. We could use our 2nd round pick on another player of need like the OL or maybe even a QB or a WR or a CB or whatever.

I think that's a MUCH better plan than giving up a lot of picks for RGIII. If he falls to us, great, take him. If not, I don't think he's worth giving up a 1st this year, a 2nd this year and probably a 1st for next year. I just don't think he's going to be as good in the NFL as people think. Sure, I'd take him at the 6th spot, but that's the only way I'd take him.

If we sign Flynn, we can take one of the other QB's in the 2nd or 3rd round and hope he develops into a quality backup or maybe even pushes Flynn for the starting job in 3 years.

Finally, as I've stated before, the only circumstance where we should sign Peyton Manning is if he goes out and can move around, throw with his former velocity all over the field. If he can do that, then sign him and still take RGIII if he's available at #6. That way he can learn from Peyton for the next 2 years than take over when Peyton retires. If we don't get RGIII, then I'd like to see us draft either Tannihil or the Osswieler or however you spell the other QB I've heard talk about. That would give us a very good QB for the next 2-3 years and a rookie that can learn from him and take over when he retires.

I still prefer Flynn just because he's healthy and ready to start today.

Rex Grossman: PROS: knows the offense, familiar with the WR's, CONS:Turnover machine, gun slinger, makes pour choices

I'm sorry, but there are no PROS to signing Rex Grossman. I've been hearing for 2 years that he knows the offense, so we should keep him around. NO, NO, HELL FREAKING NO!!!

It makes absolutely no difference that he knows the offense. He can't perform up to NFL standards in it. So under no circumstances should he be brought back here for anything other than a camp body. That's all he's good for. And I would rather he just go his own way.

I want a QB who can learn the offense and perform to NFL standards in that offense. I.E. NOT fumble the ball at least once every game and NOT throw the ball to the other team. Of his 24 INT's over the past 2 season's, maybe 10 of them have been great plays by the defenders. Most of them were just horrible throws by Rex.

So NO WAY IN HELL should the Redskins waste money on his worthless ass.

I'd take Danny Whuerfel over Rex. That's how little I think of Rex. LOL

I definately agree...Flynn is definately unproven and does not fit our system...we need to bring in a guy who fits...For all that, Orton doesn't fit our system either because he isnt mobile.  RGIII fits, and yes, if he falls, GRAB him otherwise, lets rebuild our Oline...There are also some guys who might be able to manage the game such as Joe Webb, Vince Young, TJ Yates...as long as we draft a QB they guys could compete with the rookie and a veteren (Rex or Orton) for the starter. 

I am in Favor of Ryan Tannehill...i think we should grab him in the 2nd round, he has the size, strenght and ability to be a starting caliber QB, however needs some help reading defenses and making decisions

as long as we draft Ryan Tannehill in the 2nd...we should bring in a veteren

We will see

I agree I do not think Flynn will fit in with the Redskins. I would love it if RGIII fell to us I just do not think that is very likely. I have no problem with Tannehill however I do not think he will be there in the second round. Might be late first round however I think maybe with a good combine he goes top 10. If we get Tannehill we need a vetran and I do not care if it is Rex as we can get him cheap because no other team wants him. Orton could work as a stop gap as well.

We need to upgrade the OL in the worst way. If we bring Brown back as a starter again I will be sick. This OL has been ignored far to long. We do not have but one or two OL that should be starting for us. We are not going to get FA OL that are good. Teams draft and KEEP the good OL.

The FA market and who we sign will be very interesting and that should tell us what we are going to draft.

In my opinion if we can get sign a good FA number one WR, and good CB and maybe a ILB we will be in good shape to draft a QB and then OL, OL and OL. This should be a very interesting year to see what we do.

HTTR

No offense Wolfy, but last I remember you were the guy riding John Beck all last season saying that he could potentially be our franchise QB, lol.  So I hope we do the total opposite of what you want.

RGIII

No offense Wolfy, but last I remember you were the guy riding John Beck all last season saying that he could potentially be our franchise QB, lol.  So I hope we do the total opposite of what you want.

RGIII

No offense taken. I was wrong and have already admitted it. I thought I saw enough for him to take the next step, but I was wrong. Although, I will still maintain that a part of his problems were his idiot OC, lol, but such is life. We've all made comments about players and been wrong about them. It's not the first time it's happened and it won't be the last. lol

I still say Flynn will be better then RGIII, but it will all depend on where they go, the system they're in and the weapons around them. I guess we can come back next year and discuss how that worked out. lol 

I don't think Kyle is honestly all that bad of a OC, it is solely on the QB when you are getting sacked 10 times by the worst pass rushing team in the league.  Beck just does not have it, I've watched a lot of football and seen a lot of bad QB's and just from watching Beck in those 3 games I can say that he is in the top 5 of the worst QB's I have ever watched play in an NFL game.  He really has no right even playing in the league imo.

I can guarantee you that Griffin will have a better year next year and a better career than Flynn.  Flynn had ONE good game, I mean if we can sign him on a backup QB contract than I'm all for having him, but if he expects to get paid like Kevin Kolb then he can go elsewhere because it would be stupid to give someone a starting QB's contract based solely off of ONE game.

Griffin has proven his whole college career that he is accurate and throws a great deep ball and few interceptions.  I just find it very hard that he will flop in the NFL with everything he can do.  He's a rich man's Michael Vick, he's faster and is a much better pocket passer, I mean who would not want a player like that especially considering how bad Vick and the Eagles have manhandled us the past 2 years.  It's time to give them a taste of their own medicine.

Flynn: PROS: Young, showed much potential, learned from the best CONS: young, unproven, little starts
well, he's not real young, but he is young when it comes to how much he's been used. he's still 27 if i recall, but he does have potential, however, he is unproven true.
Kyle Orton: PROS: Average(not great but average...could be a stopgap for drafting the next QB), Solid arm CONS: makes bad decisions, and doesn't impress
in my book, basically another Campbell, that's who he kinda reminds me of, both dont impress me franchise QBs
RGIII: PROS: Young, talented, fits shanny's system, accurate CONS: unproven, 50/50 chance at being a NFL quarterback, size
yep on all points and will even add in low release, but this is the guy i want. if he lives up to his hype/potential, he's scary.
Rex Grossman: PROS: knows the offense, familiar with the WR's, CONS:Turnover machine, gun slinger, makes pour choices
i say get rid of him, he maybe familiar with the WRs, but he's a turnover machine and it's time to move on.
MY OPINION: I think we should go after Matt Flynn and not trade away our draft picks that we need to continue the rebuilding of the team.  Matt Flynn would allow us to upgrade our QB position and also upgrade our offensive line and skill position players...the problem is that our QB is not the only hole....we need to address more....Matt Flynn
my opinion is either trade up for RG3 or sign Flynn, if you cant get both, then look to other QBs including Vince Young.

Just say no to Vince Young too I think. I liek Flynn what I have seen of him, and he won a National Championship in college. So he one of a handful of guys that have a NC and SB ring even though he didn't have much to do with the latter. Point is he played in winnign programs and tha is important. he has had a few games and they were all solid with one being the record settign one albeit against a very bad pass defense. What i saw was a guy making good reads, good decisions and hitting receivers in stride most of the time. Does that mean he can go to a team where he doesn't know the receivers , coaches, city, etc as well and perform at a high level, No of course not, but he does seem to be the anti-Rex. He has limitations, but seems to know what they are and avoides them, unlike some guys/coaches that want a guy to do waht they planned, whetheer or not he is physically capable.

Flynn would definitely give you a cushion to have time to draft and train th next guy. To be honest i hope whoever we bring in does a good enugh job that the rookie doesn't get in until mid way through his second year no matter who we draft.

Matt Flynn is almost equal to a rookie QB, he has thrown 9tds and 5ints in his career.  Flynn is going to cost more and just as unproven as a rookie QB, I'd much rather go with a rookie.

Also if history is any indicator LSU QB's are notoriously HORRIBLE at the next level, Flynn just had the advantage of playing for arguably the best team in the NFL.  Flynn is nothing more than a backup just like Kevin Kolb.

Is it just me?  cuz it sure seems like our draft pick is in a crappy spot.

I hate having to trade up or down becasue I assume other teams will take advantage.

Taking a cornerback like many mocks say???  

Do you think the QB's we could get in round #2 can get it done? 

Vince Young?  Really, Vince Young?  Jeez, I'd rather dust off Joe Theisman.

Billy!

I'd rather sign Flynn than we can then use our early round picks on maybe Blackmon, if available or Claybourne or maybe one of the top OL. We could use our 2nd round pick on another player of need like the OL or maybe even a QB or a WR or a CB or whatever. 

I think that's a MUCH better plan than giving up a lot of picks for RGIII. 

I hear you FF Wolf.

Yeah, can we agree to not even talk about Grossman?

I agree I do not think Flynn will fit in with the Redskins. I would love it if RGIII fell to us I just do not think that is very likely. I have no problem with Tannehill however I do not think he will be there in the second round. Might be late first round however I think maybe with a good combine he goes top 10. If we get Tannehill we need a vetran and I do not care if it is Rex as we can get him cheap because no other team wants him. Orton could work as a stop gap as well. 

We need to upgrade the OL in the worst way. If we bring Brown back as a starter again I will be sick. This OL has been ignored far to long. We do not have but one or two OL that should be starting for us. We are not going to get FA OL that are good. Teams draft and KEEP the good OL. 

The FA market and who we sign will be very interesting and that should tell us what we are going to draft. 

In my opinion if we can get sign a good FA number one WR, and good CB and maybe a ILB we will be in good shape to draft a QB and then OL, OL and OL. This should be a very interesting year to see what we do. 

HTTR

Pretty much see things your way, ke101.

Matt Flynn is almost equal to a rookie QB.

It is statements like this that make it hard to take you serious. On one hand we have a kid out of college that has z number of games under his belt and has won nothing. On the other hand you have a guy with all that same experience that won an actual National Championship, and the nwent to the Pro's where he has been at every practice, game and preseason with other players playing the game at pro speed. That guy has run the practice squad against his starting super bowl championship defense, and when he did get in the game simply set game records for the most storied and oldest franchise in the league who just happened to have at least two of the greatest QB's in history play most or all of their careers there.

How is he in any way almost equal to a rookie? Please why argue just to argue? just because he has not played a lot of regular season games a this level does not mean he is any where near a rookie and is infinitely more ready to be able to start on opening day than any rookie.