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Lakers Fans

February 10, 2012 2:38 am

I have an honest question for you as fans... except Jefe bc he knows no way to disparage the Lakers:  Is the Lakers 4-13 the worst in the league?

Could a 9 man rotation of:
Josh McRoberts
Troy Murphy
Metta World Peace
Matt Barnes
Devin Ebanks
Jason Kapono
Derek Fisher
Andrew Goudelock
Steve Blake

Beat a 9 man rotation from some of the worst teams in the league?  I mean could you put that 9 up against the Bobcats, Pistons, Raptors, Suns 4-13 and feel confident?

The reason I ask is because the Lakers, as my man QID continually harps on, need to make a move.

The trio of Bynum, Gasol and the never aging Kobe Bryant is the best in the league in my opinion, just so I don't have to listent to the BS Lakers hater spew, bc that 4-13 is AWFUL.  That team lacks soooooo much talent in the depth department it is not even funny and it is kinda funny to see it happen to the Lakers... Well until we see the next gift served up for the pupu platter that is that group...
threegamer13
SinceFeb 14, 2008
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Lakers Fans

February 10, 2012 5:34 am

Lebron, Wade and Bosh are bent over in laughter at the thought Bynum/Gasol/Kobe is a better trio.

In fact I think Durant/Westbrook/Towel Boy in OKC are getting a good chuckle too.
wildcatsfan1
SinceJan 20, 2007
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Lakers Fans

February 10, 2012 5:53 am

Maggette, Diaw, and Mullens are dying in laughter after hearing Kobe/Pau/Bynum is the best trio in the league.
DwideSchrude
SinceAug 16, 2009
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Lakers Fans

February 10, 2012 6:43 am

The Lakers Bench sure is playing like it. They are i believe last in bench production. Even with teams like the Raptors and Wizards....yikes.
Inimical
SinceFeb 5, 2008
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Lakers Fans

February 10, 2012 8:30 am

The Lakers 4-13 are absolutely the WORST in the league, but this may only be for right now.  Let's be honest, If MWP and Matt Barnes stay within themselves they are good defenders.  Murphy and Kapono could be assets, but obviously missing shots is not helping especially when thats supposed to be there forte. 

Kind of hard to shake it, I think if you get Blake, Barnes, Murphy and Roberts to play at their highest level they aren't the worst.  They still certainly are in the lower half of the league, but it could get better.

Lebron, Wade and Bosh are bent over in laughter at the thought Bynum/Gasol/Kobe is a better trio.
Yeah with all their accomplishments and all, I'd be laughing to.


In fact I think Durant/Westbrook/Towel Boy in OKC are getting a good chuckle too
Until the day Westbrook decides to act like a Pg, him plus anyone will never accomplish much other than a few playoff series wins.

Typical WCF... Tom Bradys bent over right now too, but he isnt laughing, he's crying... Eli's somewhere behind him.
lakers2408
SinceJan 8, 2008
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Lakers Fans

February 10, 2012 10:16 am

The Lakers 4-13 are really bad. Im not sure if they are the worst, because the Bobcats are really bad, but definetly bottom 5 in the league. The only one of those 9 guys I like is the rookie Goudelock, he could become a serviceable bench scorer in the future, we will see.



This is what I've been talking about for a while. The Lakers need better players on their team along with another elite player. MWP at this point in his career can only do one thing and that is play defense, I beleive he is shooting 18% from 3 right now. And these are wide open 3's none are contested. No one on their team can shoot, Kobe and Bynum and Gasol get them looks but they can't sink open shots.


And WCF, LeBron, Wade, and Bosh are the more talented big 3, no question there. Are they better RIGHT NOW? Yes they are, and they will remain that way, the Lakers big 3 time has passed. But the Lakers Big 3 is better strategically wise, with two great bigs and a scorer. 


Any Heat fan would be in favor of trading LeBron or Wade straight up for Dwight Howard, if they did that their big 3 would be better.     
     
Lakers570
SinceJul 18, 2007
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Lakers Fans

February 10, 2012 10:16 am


Kind of hard to shake it, I think if you get Blake, Barnes, Murphy and Roberts to play at their highest level they aren't the worst.  They still certainly are in the lower half of the league, but it could get better.
did you see murphy last year with the Celtics?? he sucked so bad if we had scalabrine on the team he probablly would have been behind scal...

expecting anything aside from murphy to run up and down the court is a lofty expectation...and with his huge nose im surprised his top heavy head can even manage the running
nighthawkace444
SinceMar 13, 2007
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Lakers Fans

February 10, 2012 11:16 am

Yeah, that 4-13 is pretty bad. The bench has been killing us too. The worst part is that the bench doesn't even have to be THAT good for the Lakers to win a lot of games and be a contender. In the Lakers last 2 losses, the bench was outscored by over 30 points in a game that was lost by 10 and by 16 in a game that the Lakers lost by 5. Even slightly below average bench production would have resulted in wins.

As far as the 4-13:

McBob - Keep him. He's an energy guy and can play a Rambis role.
Murphy - Get rid of him.
MWP - Use the amnesty and get rid of him. He's not even tradeable because he has a really bad contract. The rule changes have severely hampered his ability to defend and defense is why the Lakers got him.
Matt Barnes - Keep him. I like his toughness. He just needs to stay within himself and concentrate on defense.
Ebanks - Get rid of him. He might be an okay piece in a trade to a team that will play him.
Kapono - The Lakers are building around defense. The next time he plays defense, will the first time. If his 3 isn't falling, he's worthless.......and his 3 isn't falling.
Fisher - Have to keep him. He needs to retire as a Laker. He's done too much for the organization and still seems to come up with clutch plays when needed. Besides, he's the only one on the team that can keep Kobe in check.
Goudelock - Keep him. He's young, quick and with some work, might develop into a pretty solid player.
Steve Blake - I'd like to keep him as a back up to another point guard (D. Williams? Sessions?), but he would likely have to go in order to keep Fish.

Even if the Lakers were to just add a quality point guard, it would make a big impact on this team. I heard someone say that the Lakers are the only team in the league with a point guard that has to have someone else set him up to get a shot. That person was right and it speaks volumes as to the Lakers issues on offense.

I think if the could land a quality point guard and move Fisher to the bench, it would improve the quality of the starting lineup. I think that Fish's steady hand would help to make the bench a little more efficient.

trojanfan12
SinceAug 22, 2008
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Lakers Fans

February 10, 2012 11:23 am

Lebron, Wade and Bosh are bent over in laughter at the thought Bynum/Gasol/Kobe is a better trio.

In fact I think Durant/Westbrook/Towel Boy in OKC are getting a good chuckle too.
I'd say that all are pretty equal and that the Lakers trio is a more "playoff ready" trio. No other trio boasts two seven-footers with such different skill sets (just ask the Celtics). This provides a big advantage in the playoffs when the game slows down and becomes more half-court oriented. When you consider that the Lakers trio has arguably the second best center in the league in Bynum, the most skilled overall big in the league in Gasol and that Kobe, while no longer the "best player on the planet" as some still try to say, but is still a top 5 player, that is a really tough trio to beat. Especially in the playoffs.

I'm not saying that the overall team, as constructed, is good enough to contend or even make a deep playoff run. But their big 3 ia as good as anyone's.

Now, if we could just get a couple of bench players who could walk and chew gum at the same time......
trojanfan12
SinceAug 22, 2008
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Lakers Fans

February 10, 2012 11:30 am

Kobe, Pau, Bynum > Allen, Pierce, KG  -- no joke

Eli > Brady -- no joke

Buckner = Welker -- no joke
LakersUSCbam!
SinceAug 12, 2009
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Lakers Fans

February 10, 2012 11:53 am

did you see murphy last year with the Celtics?? he sucked so bad if we had scalabrine on the team he probablly would have been behind scal...

you can rip him for his shooting but he took down 9 boards and had a key block.  Same number as Pierce in half the playing time.  Might even be better than your so-called center JO who had fewer rebounds.  Facts.
LakersUSCbam!
SinceAug 12, 2009
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Lakers Fans

February 10, 2012 12:08 pm

I have an honest question for you as fans... except Jefe bc he knows no way to disparage the Lakers:  Is the Lakers 4-13 the worst in the league?
First things first:  The Lakers 4-13 > The Heat's 4-13

Could a 9 man rotation of:

Josh McRoberts
Troy Murphy
Metta World Peace
Matt Barnes
Devin Ebanks
Jason Kapono
Derek Fisher
Andrew Goudelock
Steve Blake

Beat a 9 man rotation from some of the worst teams in the league?  I mean could you put that 9 up against the Bobcats, Pistons, Raptors, Suns 4-13 and feel confident?
Maybe not 3G, but here's the thing - those teams that don't have a dominant "big three" have to have better players 4-13 by design.  When you have veritable blue-chip talent 1-3, as the Lakers do, the trick is surrounding them with the right mix of talent in role playing functions.  If there Lakers role players do what they are supposed to; McBob hustling and rebounding and altering, Troy and Jason spacing the floor by knocking down open perimeter shots, Metta playing lock-down defense, Barnes slashing, Fish making smart plays and hitting clutch shots, Blake getting the Lakers into their offense earlier in the shot clock, G-Lock creating his own shot, Devin doing whatever Devin does - I'm not really sure what that is at this point - then the Lakers are a great team and the 4-13 players are great within the context of how they are designed to compliment Kobe, Pau and Bynum.

If you take them out of that design and put them up against their 4-13 counterparts from much more mediocre teams like the Bucks, Pistons, Suns, Kings, etc. then yeah, maybe they don't quite match up...but that is incidental to the more salient reality that is the dynamics of the 1-13 team concept.  Those other team's 4-13 had better be better, because their 1-3's are nowhere near as good as the Lakers'.
jefe101
SinceFeb 22, 2008
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Lakers Fans

February 10, 2012 12:56 pm

Kobe, Pau, Bynum > Allen, Pierce, KG  -- no joke

Eli > Brady -- no joke

Buckner = Welker -- no joke


Scrolling through posts... No mention of the Celtics big 3, Patriots, Giants, or Red Sox...

Stop showing your childish envy of WCF, if you can't discuss the topics stay out of my thread...

Or go play in traffic...

Troll...
threegamer13
SinceFeb 14, 2008
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Lakers Fans

February 10, 2012 12:59 pm

Maybe not 3G, but here's the thing - those teams that don't have a dominant "big three" have to have better players 4-13 by design.  When you have veritable blue-chip talent 1-3, as the Lakers do, the trick is surrounding them with the right mix of talent in role playing functions.  If there Lakers role players do what they are supposed to; McBob hustling and rebounding and altering, Troy and Jason spacing the floor by knocking down open perimeter shots, Metta playing lock-down defense, Barnes slashing, Fish making smart plays and hitting clutch shots, Blake getting the Lakers into their offense earlier in the shot clock, G-Lock creating his own shot, Devin doing whatever Devin does - I'm not really sure what that is at this point - then the Lakers are a great team and the 4-13 players are great within the context of how they are designed to compliment Kobe, Pau and Bynum.


So this is all part of the grand plan of the Lakers?  To be a borderline playoff team?

Got it.
threegamer13
SinceFeb 14, 2008
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Lakers Fans

February 10, 2012 2:14 pm

Typical WCF... Tom Bradys bent over right now too, but he isnt laughing, he's crying... Eli's somewhere behind him.
I agree, Eli and his 2 rings are behind Brady and his 3.

Wait did you hear that? I think the Jim Kelly just lost another Super Bowl...
wildcatsfan1
SinceJan 20, 2007
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Lakers Fans

February 10, 2012 2:14 pm

Scrolling through posts... No mention of the Celtics big 3, Patriots, Giants, or Red Sox...

Stop showing your childish envy of WCF, if you can't discuss the topics stay out of my thread...

and this threat coming from a Suns fan, LOL
LakersUSCbam!
SinceAug 12, 2009
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Lakers Fans

February 10, 2012 2:15 pm

Eli > Brady -- no joke
2 > 3 in Cali?

I give this Raiders coach an over under of 1.5 seasons.
wildcatsfan1
SinceJan 20, 2007
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Lakers Fans

February 10, 2012 2:15 pm

So this is all part of the grand plan of the Lakers?  To be a borderline playoff team?

Exactly.  'cause the Buss group always makes sure that Lakers barely makes playoffs every year.  Something like the Suns.

See?  I'm still trolling chump
LakersUSCbam!
SinceAug 12, 2009
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Lakers Fans

February 10, 2012 2:18 pm

What happens first? The Raiders win another Super Bowl, USC wins a clean BCS title, or the Kings win a Stanley Cup?
wildcatsfan1
SinceJan 20, 2007
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Lakers Fans

February 10, 2012 2:33 pm

Beat a 9 man rotation from some of the worst teams in the league?  I mean could you put that 9 up against the Bobcats, Pistons, Raptors, Suns 4-13 and feel confident?

Since I consider myself a Lakers fan, I'll go ahead and respond to your question. 

What an assinine comparison you make taking 4 to 13 players?  Grow up and think of something more intelligent.

See, still trolling chump

LakersUSCbam!
SinceAug 12, 2009