Dwyane Wade > Kobe Bryant

I was just looking over these guy's career stats up to this point. Wade has put up clearly superior numbers. He has averaged the same amount of points over his career while shooting about 3% better from the field. Wade also has a much, much better assist/TO ratio. And he also plays superior defense (leader of guards in blocks per game), and gets more rebounds.

Really the only thing separating these two is Wade being injured in the middle of his career and not being able to play with Shaq for as long as Kobe. Kobe got to play with Shaq for the bulk of his career (which is even better than Wade being able to play with LeBron now, unless you think LeBron is better than Shaq in his prime).


I think Wade has become this generations Michael Jordan. 

Wade has put up clearly superior numbers.

Yup.

I think Wade has become this generations Michael Jordan.

Nope, not even close.  Michael Jordan was clearly better than every player in his era.  Clearly.  The same cannot be said for Wade who is only slightly better than Kobe in %'s, and not clearly better than others of his era such as Durant and James.  Heck, even Rose had more MVP's seasons (1) than Wade, and Jordan had 5.  Wade is not this era's Michael Jordan.

Yeah I guess if you look at it from that perspective. Also, Wade and Bryant are both very similar in that between them they only have 1 MVP trophy. And Kobe didn't win it until his 12th year in the league.

I do change my mind and agree with you though. Wade doesn't have enough MVP's and hasn't dominated like Jordan dominated. 

Somebody get me the Career game winners stat, and the utter domination in his prime.

Kobe wins.

Wade should have won the MVP in 2009 season!!

I heard Wade is having a down year this year with his numbers being as low as back to his rookie season.

Blocks and rebounds dont dictate who a better defender is.


If that were the case Bruce Bown < James Johnson


So defensivly, they are a wash at best.



Offensively, Kobe Bryant is the better scorer and that really isn't debatable, yes Kobe takes more shots and is a little less efficient, but any non retarded basketball fan will take Kobe in his prime vs. Wade in his prime if they need some buckets.


If you are saying right now who is better than I might give Wade the nod, but overall Kobe Bryant is the better basketball player.  

I heard Wade is having a down year this year with his numbers being as low as back to his rookie season.

Key word is heard. Maybe you should watch a few games and tell me if he's having a down year. At the start of the year he was slowed by a few injuries to his foot but taking 2 weeks off was the best thing he could have done for himself and the Miami Heat.

He has been great in 9 of the 10 games since returning.

This is why watching the games is more productive than going by what you heard or see in the stats.

Offensively, Kobe Bryant is the better scorer and that really isn't debatable, yes Kobe takes more shots and is a little less efficient, but any non retarded basketball fan will take Kobe in his prime vs. Wade in his prime if they need some buckets.


If you are saying right now who is better than I might give Wade the nod, but overall Kobe Bryant is the better basketball player.  

you cant really compare theyre primes (im not trying to make a case one way or the other). kobe played with one of the best all time centers in HIS prime. Wade played with that same center as wiley vet who still had a resemblance of his former tank self. i remember it like it was yesturday they were comparing Wades finals numbers to jordans because i think he scored over 40 points something like 3 times. at the end of the day its all perspective. you also have to take into account competition (its what you laker fans love to do with the 1960s Celtics) what kind of (in theyre prime) HOF talent did Kobe play against vrs what kind of HOF talent did Wade play against in prime.

frankly to me its a toss up if you look at where they were (at this point in wades career) obviously if wade goes out and blows his knees like oden, then history will clearly take kobe over wade.

If you are saying right now who is better than I might give Wade the nod, but overall Kobe Bryant is the better basketball player.

Wade is clearly the better player than Kobe right now and has been IMO for the last 2-3 seasons. Wade don't have to shoot a high volume of shots along with a terrible shooting % just to score high 20's or low 30's far too often which is the case with Bryant.

Kobe is having a terrible year this year.

I think at the end of each guy career it woud be a toss up like NH said especially if Wade ends up with as much rings as I think he will end up with and Kobe remains on 5.

The bad part about the ring issue with Kobe is as NH said, Kobe had the luxury of playing with the MDC in our era for 8 years while Wade got to play with Shaq out of his prime for 3.5 seasons.

One thing about Kobe which he is grateful for is having to play with great big men for his entire career. No other player in this era has had that for their entire career.

He played with Shaq for his first 8 seasons then Bynum came along, and a few years later they traded for one of the best PF in the game. What a lucky man.

You look at guys like James, Wade, Pierce, Durant, and etc who hardly got to play with any great bigs.

Kobe is blessed to say the least. Outside of those 3 years after they traded Shaq, he's been surrounded with great players for his entire career.

Well Wade did spend year in college so he would have that whole maturity thing going for him as oppose to a 17 year old kid. If I remeber correctly, the best player on the Heat team that drafted him was Lamar Odom..... which would make usurping the number option title inevitable, obviously Shaq would arrvie soon after but the Big Aristotle clearly wasn't  the LA edition. Kobe on the other hand didn't even become the the starter on the Lakers until is third year. So as far as numbers go Wade would be at an advantage since he was pretty much the starter from day one and was at worst the second option.

To your other points FG % (Kobe takes bad shots makes some, misses more but we only remeber the god times right?), defense (I feel Kobe is a tad bit overrated), and assists vs TO (Kobe doesn't/didn't/still doesn't trust his teammates... dumb) I can't conceive an argument in Kobe's favor so I cede those points to you. For some reason I can't bring myself to consider Wade better than Kobe though. I remember when some of my friends thought Tracy "One & Done" McGrady was the better player, but unlike Wade that argument had no teeth. I guess I've seen Kobe ever since I've cared about basketball and he's played at a high level for such a long time. Perhaps that's why I can't think of Wade as better than Kobe, but you do make a good argument.

Of course playing with LeBron will taint and statistically take away from Wade (somehow playing with a great big is okay, but playing with another great perimeter player is evil).

Well Wade did spend year in college so he would have that whole maturity thing going for him as oppose to a 17 year old kid.

3 years..... duh

Kobe is having a terrible year this year.

Wow punchline, you're really living up to your namesake with this latest gem!

Inimical, you speak with your heart, but Kobe's win share is lower than Wade's.  Kobe has made his share of winning shots/plays, but so has Wade.  Compare their 1st 8 seasons and it's not even close, Wade is the winner in almost every statistical catagory.

lakers570,

Offensively, Kobe Bryant is the better scorer and that really isn't debatable

Back this up with #'s for us, I can't.  Go to http://www.basketball-reference.com
 or any other web site you choose and compare their first 8 seasons or any of their seasons at a particular age, and you'll find Kobe's #'s are not better than Wade's. 

It's possible you're speaking with your heart rather than the facts, and I can't blame you for that.  AFter all any player that can put up 81 points in a game, win a scoring title, and win and MVP is worthy of praise.  But to win the argument that Kobe is better than Wade, you have to bring more than your passion, you've got to support it with #'s, and I don't think that's possible.

"Kobe is having a terrible year this year."



What are you smoking? Last time I checked hes the leading scorer in the league (maybe LeBron has moved up to #1 by now).


Additonally, you just chastised someone for not watching Heat games. Have you watched any of the Laker games? Kobe is the only thing between the Lakers have 15 wins or 7 wins. If you watched a Laker game you might have figured that out.



Kobe had Shaq. Wade has LeBron and Bosh. Seems pretty fair to me, unless of course, your of the opinion LeBron is not an elite player.           

I forgot how these threads go, there hasn't been one in a while. 


So much bashing of Kobe. Kobe Bryant is not Michael Jordan and even if he wins 10 rings will not be as good as Michael Jordan. However, Kobe is the next best thing, and if Wade or LeBron ever want to be "the next best thing" they have their work cut out for them. 

What are you smoking? Last time I checked hes the leading scorer in the league (maybe LeBron has moved up to #1 by now).

Being the leading scorer when you're attempting 24 shots per night doesn't impress me. You're suppose to lead the league in scoring when attempting that much shots per night. If LBJ or KD avg that much shots per night, they would avg 30+ with ease. LBJ would avg close to 35 if he attempted 24 shots per night.

Have you watched any of the Laker games? Kobe is the only thing between the Lakers have 15 wins or 7 wins. If you watched a Laker game you might have figured that out.

I watch plenty of Lakers game actually. I don't watch from start to finish but considering they're on the west coast while they Heat play on the east coast, I watch most Lakers game especially the home games unless Portland or GSW are playing good teams at home. Lakers would have more than 15 wins if Kobe would give the ball to Bynum and Gasol more often. How does this guy shoots 29 shots while the 2 of them attempt a total of 18 shots? Kobe force shot after shot in the 4th quarter of close games while ignoring the fact that he has 2 7 footers down low. Kobe main priority is winning a scoring title it seems.

Kobe had Shaq. Wade has LeBron and Bosh. Seems pretty fair to me

And what did Wade have before last year? Remind me? Kobe had shaq for 8 years. Wade had LBJ and Bosh for 1.5 years at the moment? Comparing the 2 at the moment is pretty stupid. Kobe didn't win a title in his first year with Shaq.....DID HE?

All Lebron need is the rings. If LBJ get 3 or 4 rings while Kobe stay on 2, LBJ will get the nod as the better player. LBJ is the better overall player, all he is missing is a few rings. If Lebron get those rings, the NBA world (not including most Lakers fans) would recognized LBJ as the better basketball player.