Dwyane Wade > Kobe Bryant

eFG% attempts to measure the effectness of shooting by giving 3 points shots and 2 point shots the same value.   That is, it tries to give 3 point and 2 point shots made the same impact on the game.  FG percent is actually what happened.  eFG pecentage is what could possibly happen-- If my 2's were 3's and your 3's were 2's, this is what the field goal percentage would be.   But Wade has missed all his 3's this year.  So if Wade were to take all of Kobe's shots and Kobe were to take all of Wade's shots, I don't know if would have the same outcome.

Actually eFG% gives a made three point shot more value (as it should because you get an extra point for it).  Basically you take the shots attempted, then you take the amount of points scored on those shot attempts, divide the points scored in half.  Then you divide that number by the shot attempts and get the eFG%.

If Kobe shoots 10 shots and makes 4 of them and all the makes happen to be 3's then his eFG% would be 60%.  Because four 3's made equals 12 points.  Divide 12 points in half and you get 6.  Divide 6 by the 10 shots attempted and you get .600 eFG%. (even though his FG% would only be .400).

On the other hand, if Wade takes 10 shots and makes 5 of them, and all five makes are 2's.  Then you get 10 points on 10 shots.  Divide the points in half and you get 5.  Divide that by the 10 shot attempts and you get .500 eFG%.  (Since he did not make any 3's then his eFG% and his FG% are going to be the same).

So in the mock example above, a guy who makes more 3's but has a lower FG% can actually be a better shooter than a guy who has a higher FG% because the first guy just happens to shoot more threes.  The eFG% sorts this all out and we find out that even though Kobe shoots more three's which explains his lower FG% he still ends up being a poorer shooter overall this season so far when you factor in that he shoots more three's and calculate the eFG%.

As far as Wade taking all of Kobe's shots--why would he do that?  He can score more points per shot attempt by doing what he does.

As far as Kobe taking all of Wade's shots--I don't believe he could do that even if he tried as he is not athletic enough at this point in his career to get the kind of shts**** that Wade gets.

There is something wrong with Kobe. Have you seen him? Hes huffing and puffing. Has he started smoking? Nah, he wouldn't think it. Maybe hes huffing? No he resisted it when Kwame Brown offered, so why now? He's got some wrinkles on his face. He seems slow. He's not nearly as fast as he used to be. I don't think he has taken anyone off the dribble in years. When he dunks on breakaways he uses two hands every time. A reverse lay up is a rare occurrence. Maybe he is doing drugs? Perhaps hes taken his divorce too hard. Maybe he dug a Q-tip too far in and screwed up his equilibrium.

Wait noooo, i think i know whats wrong with Kobe Bryant.

 Hes old.

Yeah thats it. Look at him. He cant get around anybody anymore. The last time he dunked on anyone was years ago. Hes 33 going on 34. And this time next year he would be staring 35 right in the face. Now that's pushing it old fella. With your 10 year supply of "Touch of grey"Just for men. Yeah that face is getting peppery. The wrinkles are becoming canyons. No lotion can save you now.

Your having the worst year of your career no doubt! On the decline old fella. Fret not, it happens to us all. The end is near but you had a good run.

Now lets take a look at how your doing.

Your 33. Okay, nooooot tooo bad.... but getting up there. Your in your 16th year in the league....ouch. Still not to many last that long ..... hmmm lets see here ...... Your shooting 44% .... not your best effort. Are you still playing hurt!?!? You cant be doing that Oldie Bryant. We talked about this. 

Okay well.....what the ****? 

CODE BLUE!!!!!!
SOMETHINGS WRONG!!!! SOMETHING IS TERRIBLY WRONG!!!
Your leading the LEAGUE IN SCORING? What the **** kind of instruments are these ?!?!

20 mins later......

Alright ..... well ..... The instruments are working fine according to the diagnostic. So that means you are leading the league in scoring. Incredible...... You can barely get around Fisher in practice. Pfftt...who wins scoring titles? Who? Wilt Chamberlin? Jerry West? Karreem Abdul-Jabbar? Bob Mcadoo? Pete Maravich? George Gervin? Benard King? Dominique Wilkins? Michael Jordan? Shaquille O'neal? LeBron James? Kevin Durant??? Bah!

Kobe "I know i said give it to me straight doc...but..."
Oh im sorry....you know....I have to be brutally honest. Hold still.

It seems your also averaging over 5 rebounds and assists per game? Huh.......well not bad for 16 years in the league i suppose.
You know MJ came in here around 10 years go. I told him to give it up. He was far too old. He went out and did it anyway. In one of those games he scored 51 points. He got very lucky. You wont be as lucky my friend. No not....at.....all. Not with all those knee surgeries.

I heard he said the only one who compares to him would be you. HAHAHAHA What does he know anyway? Hes no doctor. Called him his "Airness" they did ..... you know they gave him that knickname because he airballed alot in Highschool. HAHAHAHA! GET IT? AIRNESS, AIRBALL. HAHAHA.

Well anyway it looks like you could last the year buddy.

But i strongly advice you to HANG EM UP! 

AND DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT COMING BACK!

Boy that Kobe Bryant sucks some hardcore ass!!!!!!!!

<================ Equals Hardcore Ass sucker

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As far as Kobe taking all of Wade's shots--I don't believe he could do that even if he tried as he is not athletic enough at this point in his career to get the kind of **** that Wade gets

Ha....the **** is from me trying to write "shots" and being in a hurry.  I must have accidently typed the letter next to the letter "o" when I attempted to write "shots".  Oh well.

 The eFG% sorts this all out and we find out that even though Kobe shoots more three's which explains his lower FG% he still ends up being a poorer shooter overall this season so far when you factor in that he shoots more three's and calculate the eFG%.

Zagstuh, you still don't seem to get the difference between FG% and eFG%.  One measures efficiency, the other measures effectiveness.

Field Goal Percentage measures efficiency.  It only measures how many shots made against how many shots taken.  It has nothing to do with points scored or the impact they has on the game.  

Effective Field Goal Percentage attempts to show the impact each shot has on the game by equalizing them.  Becasue 3 point shots are worth more than shots made inside the 3 point line, 3 point shots are counted as half a shot in the eFG% equation [(FG+.5*3FG)/FA].  Basically, if Kobe takes two 3 point shots, in the equation, he's given credit for taking 3 shots [2 shots + (.5*2)= 3].  

What this equation is doing is giving value each shot, so that the 2 point shot not worth more than the 3 point shot when looking at Field Goal percentage.  The problem that you fail to see is that value of a shot is irrelevent when determining if a player makes a shot or not.  There is a correlation with distance when it comes to making a shot, but not points.

In the eFG% equations, a shot taken one inch inside the 3 point line is valued the same as a shot dunked right under the basket.  But a shot taken one inch outside the basket is counted as half a shot.  Most would conclud that the biggest factor determining if a shot attempt with be succesful is the distance the shot is taken from the basket, but eFG% uses points.  It uses points because it's attempting to measure player's impact on the game by how many points scored and not by how many shots attempts that are successful.  Because 3 point shots are worth more on the score board,  eFG% gives that 3 point shot attempt more value.


Hence,

Field Goal Percentage measures how many shots a player makes against how many shots the player attempts.

Effective Field Goal Percentage gives each shot a value, then measures how many shots a player makes against attempts, because 3 point shots have more of an impact on the score than 2 point shots.  So, it's basically measuring points, not shots.

If you are looking at FG Percentage to see what effect the player had on the game, it's not useful because it's only measuring effiiciency, shots made, regardless of their value or how they effect the score.

Effective Field Goal Percentage was devised to show more of the impact the shots had on the score, not the effiency of the shooter.  It may tell you who gives you the most points per shot, but it doesn't tell you who is the best at putting the ball in the hoop.

But even if a player has a higher eFG%, you really can't use that to determine the effect it has on the game because effectiveness is not something you can quantify.  Even as an effective Field Goal Percentage, what does that even mean?  The effect of your field goals on the game?  It doesn't take into account free throws.  It treats missed 3 pointers the same as it treats missed 2 pointers.  You get extra credit for making a 3 point shot, but don't lose extra credit for missing a 3 point shot.  Why?  Because it's not measuring shooting ability.  It's measuring scoring ability except, yet doesn't count free throws, so I don't really know what it's measuring.  But it's a fun stat to throw out there when debating about who is the best player.

 Sports is about effectiveness.  In basketball, the objective is to win a championship.  We argue how effective a player was to achieving that goal.  (Was Shaq or Kobe responsible for their first 3 ring?  Who had the biggest impact?  Who had the greater effect on achieving that goal?)  One can be inefficient,  Kobe Bryant,  yet very effective -  5 rings.  One can also be very effiencient, LeBron James, yet ineffective - 0 rings. We can read off stats to make our arguments.  We can say who was more efficient at the process.  But the one thing we can not do with effectivness is quantify it, give it a number.  All we can do is argue it.  And that's what gives these boards life.

 

Wade came in to the league at age 21, Kobe 17, if you take Kobes first three years out of his stat average you can see the significant difference in their careers ppg avg. Also, Wade is a career 29% career 3point shooter and not even a threat when defending him. He hasn't even made a 3 pointer this year. Teams don't even double team Wade, they barely have to game plan for him. Wade isn't even a top 5 player and never has been. I occasionally concede the Jordan Kobe comparison are not worthy, but Wade is not in Kobe class. i could sit here and rattle off all of the records that Kobe owns, but this is not even worthy of conversation.

Thanks for the fresh perspective gavilan32 - it was badly needed!

He hasn't even made a 3 pointer this year.

Yes he has.

Teams don't even double team Wade,

How do you think Miker Miller, Shane Battier, and Chalmers get plenty of open 3 pt looks every night?

they barely have to game plan for him

And you know this how? Do you work for the other 29 teams that you know who they gameplan for?

Wade isn't even a top 5 player and never has been.

Yeah he is and he has been quite a few times in his career.

Wade has been a top 5 player for now the last 4 seasons and also back in 06. So pretty much for half of his career, he has been a top 5 player IMO.

Granted, D.Wade had a fantastic Finals series in 06' (34.7ppg)

Jordan avg. 33.6ppg in the Finals and he avg. 41.0ppg vs Phoenix in 93'  

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Yes he has.

1 for 12. 8% ....Awesome ...worst 3point shooter of any guard in the league.

How do you think Miker Miller, Shane Battier, and Chalmers get plenty of open 3 pt looks every night?

The guy in your picture... LBJ is how they get those looks...

And you know this how? Do you work for the other 29 teams that you know who they gameplan for?

Easy,...I watch basketball games....like the rest of the NBA fans who are crazy about the game....obviously not like you.

Yeah he is and he has been quite a few times in his career.

Wade has been a top 5 player for now the last 4 seasons and also back in 06. So pretty much for half of his career, he has been a top 5 player IMO.

Wrong. Wade was All NBA 1st team(top 5) 1 time. Get over it. He's not as good as you think.