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I see several new CBs, LBs, OL and various other starters. Philip Wheeler, Miles Burris, matt giardano, mike huff, Ron Bartell, Shawntae Spencer, Pat Lee, Joselio Hanson, Mike Goodson, philip adams, mike briesel, Willie Smith, Coye Francies, david tollefson, Rod Streater, Juron Criner and now Andre Carter. These players are either new to the team or out of position. Thats 17 new faces working under s new regime that is far from dialed in scheme-wise. So what do you condider this process? A tweak or tinker? Some quick fix minor adjustments? A rebuild?

So Ill revisit the topic...again. Some here insist I have lost sight regarding the direction the team is heading. I support the hiring of McKenzie, Allen and Tarver. I did from day 1 and still do. Now then, some say (through clinched teeth and behind insulting banter) that the team is soooo close, just a good coach away from the coveted 8-8 seasons they get off on. Losing pretty is better than losing ugly I guess. And to think it would be asinine to suggest a 3 season process, all things considered. 17 new heads, people, and thats just players that see the field or should when healthy...in half a season. But not a rebuild huh?

And now the posters here are slowly fetting on board with what Ive tried to get at all along. Calling fir heads like Richard Seymour, Tommy Kelly, Rolando McClain, Tyvon Branch, Cooper Carlisle, both right tackle 'tards, even Darren McFadden. All legit gripes mind you! But...not a rebuild? A tinker? An OC away from that high water mark ....ahhhhhh yes, 8-8 baby. So close.

Thats potentially 25 new heads if you add who is gone (or out of place) and who should be. Couple that with a work-in-progress scheme on offense and defense, lack of chemistry and all...thats kind of like rebuilding. Kind of? Maybe?

So we win a few more this season. We win even more next season. We compete for real the season after. "They" will ask (again) " you feel vindicated", and im telling you now...yep. I call what I see on Sundays, its written and printed by Raiders beat writers on Monday and still get shxt on? Who else here can say the same? Who in the raiders organization or at least cllose enough to wear palmers fxckin helmet insists the team is going in the wrong direction? None, just a few here. Keep it up, "fans".

Seriously?


Last week you were whining 'IT'S JUST MY OPINION'  or 'EVERYONE KEEPS GOING ON ABOUT THE 3 YEAR REBUILD' or 'STOP TAKING WHAT I SAY OUT OF CONTEXT' or 'I'M SUCH A VICTIM'.


Now, ANOTHER thread dedicated to your 3 year , chest thumping campaign.


Let me guess what happens next.....we poke holes in your argument and you cry about 'context' and 'opinions' .


Round and round it goes. 


Lots of trash talk. Lots of chest thumping. No accountability. 


The new Rod$$. 


 

This is how I will break down this season:


Let's throw out the San Diego, Denver, and Miami games, because in the Miami and Denver games, both sides of the ball played horribly, and blame was spread evenly, and equally yo both. The San Diego game was a game to be had, porvided out LS wasn't concussed, and Lechler was fielding grounders in the infield instead of punting the ball.


Now, let's examine the rest.


The Pittsburgh game the offense out played the D by a country mile. Tomlin even went for it on 4th and 1 inside his own 40 because he knew their D couldn't stop the Raiders' offense. So, that one point for the "O".

Then there's the ATL game where the offense racked up 474 yards of total offense, but a costly turnover, and prevent defense in the final 45 seconds cost them the game. With all the yards the "O" made, the "D" took it to ATL(and collected three INT's, too. So that one point for the "D".

The Jacksonville game, well, the offense committed three tournovers, and the defense caused a timely turnover in OT that led to SeaBass' game-winning FG. This one's a toughie to decide, so I'll give each side 1/2 point each.

The Kansas City game, the defense looked good, and finally the offense got some of the running game going. The defense caused four turnovers(2 INTs and 2 fumble recoveries), plus they had three sacks. The offesne had 209 yards passing, and close to 140 yards rushing. Again, this is a toughie, but I'll give the point to the "D".

Now, the Tampa Bay game. The offense scored 32 points, had over 425 yards of offense, with CP3 having 4 TDs. The running game was non-existant(again), but the defense looked horrible and deplorable. Martin had three runs that totalled 182 yards. The offense did more than enough to win this one, but the defense looked lost. I have to give one point to the "O".


So in summation, that 2.5 point for both sides of the ball. Greg Knapp isn't as bad as it appaers, because if it wasn't for the "O" in the Pittsburgh game, they would have lost. If the "D" hadn't looked deplorable in the Tampa Bay debaucle, they would have won.


They have scored 20, 26,26, and 32 points in their last four games. The "D" has given up 23, 23, 16, and 42. Too much blame is being placed on Knapp because he's the "new guy", or better yet, the whipping boy. He's done enough so far, to warrant him staying the rest of the year.

Too much blame is being placed on Knapp because he's the "new guy", or better yet, the whipping boy. 

OMG I can't believe some of the crap I hear. 


He's not the new guy. He was here before (he sucked) and he's been in the league for years (where he has mostly sucked) When he was hired many of us railed against the hiring because of his past record here and elsewhere. Have you been paying attention? Yet you conclude that he's getting unfair criticism because he's the 'new guy'.  Good incite. 

You can "OMG" all you want, the fact remains that he isn't the problem all by himself. You can fire him today, we'd still have a crappy "D" that can't tackle, cover, create many turnovers, get sustained pressure on the QB, continuosly takes bad angles to defend the pass or tackle,etc.


You can fire him tomorrow, and we'd still have a crappy "D".......

You can fire him wednesday, and we'd still have a crappy "D".....

You can fire him thursday, and we'd still have a crappy "D".....

What does that little speech have to do with you claiming he is taking flack becasue he's the 'new guy'? 


Yeah that's right Wilbo, it has nothing to do with his terrible play calling or his awful track record. Or the fact that he's taken Darren McFadden and turned him into the single most dissapointing player in the league.  It's because he's the 'new guy'. 


How is the D relevant to that dumb statement? 







  

Everyone save a few here knew the defense needed to be worked on.  For the most part things were done O.K..  Not perfect, but O.K. on the defense.  What shouldn't have happened was changing a very good offense and an elite RB.  Yes yesterday was a defensive meltdown, but maybe if we had a running game and Carson didn't have to throw the ball 60 times a game the defense would get some rest and the other team's offense wouldn't be on the field all the time.  Two things that have absolutely become even more obvious is:  Carson is awesome and is doing it without any help from the running game, offensive line, play calling, and little from WR's.  How did these coaches not know that this line would struggle.  They had them all offseason.  We all knew they would struggle.  How did they not know that the running game would go south.  Most of us called that from the very first day Knapp was hired.  How does this coaching staff keep running that RT (nameless cause he doesn't deserve one) on the field.  Even though we allowed a RB to get more yards in one game than we have gotten all year we still kept it close due to Palmer.  Imagine if he could hand the ball off a few times.  Also, we can finally put the lunacy of Goodson is a better back than DMC to rest.  It was never really a credible argument, but nothing you Knapp kids say really is.  There have been zero positives this year.  The team has regressed in every phase and if it weren't for the amazing talents of Palmer it would be worse.  Don't worry guys were building our team around Knapps offense.  All we need to do is find 11 guys who can do it, and re-tool the entire defense as well.  in three short years we will do it all.  Just ask Uber he will make 20 threads stating that than 20 more denying it.  There is a positive in all this.  We have found that Rod Money is now Rod Uber Money.

Yet another post trying to vindicate himself. And then his hissy fit when we continue to explain we don't agree with him. And then another post saying we are negative. Round and round we go. Did CBS say you are alowed to leave yet? I beleive you must post until they say you are cancelled. Poor thing.

I have no problem with your "3 year" proclomation but I think you a little off on what going to happen when those three years are up. Considering that this is year one RM has already made a huge mistake in not deciding one way or another what he wanted to do wth this team. If he truely wanted to "rebuild" then why pay the likes of Brisel, Wheeler & Bartell millions of dollars? Those dollars could have been used to trim the future payroll. If there was indeed a salary cap issue dont you get rid as many "bad contracts" as possible? In a true "rebuild" you dont bring in servicable vets you determine what young building blocks you have to move forward with. As I stated before any of the one year vets that actually come in and play well arent going to reisgn on the cheap this off-season and you're back at square one. Over paying for servicable players who more then likely wont be with the team in "year 3". Again I would have no problem dealing with this for 3-5 more year if it seemed as if Reggie was indeed rebuilding.

Considering that this is year one RM has already made a huge mistake in not deciding one way or another what he wanted to do wth this team 

 

He only had TWO choices. Either completely destroy the entire team to save money for next year which would have resulted in us looking worse than the KC Chiefs OR he could have tried some short term fixes to keep us competitive while still fixing our financial future. He chose the latter and I dont blame him because I would have done the same thing.        

If he truely wanted to "rebuild" then why pay the likes of Brisel, Wheeler & Bartell millions of dollars? 

 

Here's a news flash buddy, Bartell and Wheeler are on ONE YEAR DEALS, so they have ZERO effect on next years pay roll unless Reggie wants to keep them. Plus, with the way P.Wheeler is playing I'm glad he brought him in this year. He definitely looks like a player the defense can build around.  

As far as M.Brisiel goes, yeah, that seems to be a bad contract because that guy is beyond ineffective. Luckily he didnt get a bunch of guaranteed money so he can be released this off-season without us taking much of a hit.    

If there was indeed a salary cap issue dont you get rid as many "bad contracts" as possible?

  

You cant just cut every guy you think is overpaid all at once buddy. When you cut players with guaranteed money still in their contract you have to eat ALL the remaining guaranteed money THAT SAME YEAR. Anyone who knows basic math would know that we didnt have the salary CAP space to eat that much dead money this year.  

I understand the frustration people but at least know what you're talking about when you make a complaint. What are you going to complain about next, that we didnt draft Andrew Luck even though we didnt have a 1st or 2nd round pick?

Another thing what confuses me about these guys. You have Allen & Tarver clearly 3-4 guys and yet they didn't make a change on that side of the ball. Why is it that they changed over the offense for the OC to be comfortable and not on the defensive side? Don't give me the personnel problem cause our personnel on offense dosent fit what were running either. No sense of direction at all.

You cant just cut every guy you think is overpaid all at once buddy.

 I understand how the process works "buddy" which is why I stated he should have used the cap room we did have to get rid of bad contract instead of bringing in 1 year "servicable" guys. Servicable player like Wheeler who only looks decent because the rest of the D looks so bad, and have to overpay to keep him around. If a guy isnt in your long term plan why not get rid of him as soon as possible? If Kelly isnt going to be around deal with him the same way you dealt with Kam & Routt. I dont care about looking worse then KC. I care about this team having a solid plan in place to move forward and start winning again. And bringing in broken neck player as some sort of quick fix to stay competetive is the best Reggie can do this team is in a world of hurt.

And its far from a complaint it a observation "buddy". Its a unbiased observation at that.

I understand how the process works "buddy" which is why I stated he should have used the cap room we did have to get rid of bad contract instead of bringing in 1 year "servicable" guys  

You still have to field a 53 man roster dont you? If he doesn't bring anyone in and just uses that extra money to eat cap space who plays on Sunday? Do we field an entire team of UDFA and go 0-16? Get f'n serious...  

If a guy isn't in your long term plan why not get rid of him as soon as possible? If Kelly isnt going to be around deal with him the same way you dealt with Kam & Routt

  
So you say you understand how it works, then you once again claim that we should have cut Kelly? Even though cutting him this year would have hit us with a huge CAP penalty that we couldn't afford.  

Yeah, clearly you "get it"...  

And its far from a complaint it a observation "buddy". Its a unbiased observation at that  

 

You called it a HUGE mistake "buddy", yet thats not a complaint? Oh, okay, gotcha....

Theres Herbie! Ya buddy, poke holes in it. 17 new jerseys either new or at a new role. 25 counting who should be gone this offseason by most accounts. New staff and scheme top to bottom, but it not a rebuild. Just a tinker. And all you reply really offers are insults rather than football knowledge and opinions. Typical. Try again. Ill be here all week.

DBB, I can appriciate that post, save the end. Another 20 threads? Really? Every Monday is it dude. Know why?? Lol...

Great points Darth. Ive explained the short term contracts, attempting to compete while rebuilding...all that. I guess its what Herb considers chest thumping. I prove one thing after another or at least offer solid points and get hammered by these guys, but when I defend myself Im chest thumping or the new rod money. Nice fellas. Brilliant insight, really. Wilbo, the next post is in regards to the offense and defense in contrast.