Predicitons for the off-season

Another arcticle I found. Who knows you may be wrong about Percy being a great guy and teammate. I love the zing about him being a "headache" to the Vikings, pretty clever that.

In June, receiver [Percy Harvin] asked the Vikings to trade him.  He later changed his mind.

Now, his mind could be changing back again.

In the aftermath of a report this week from Tom Pelissero of 1500ESPN.com that Harvin and coach Leslie Frazier engaged in a “[heated exchange]” before Harvin’s placement on injured reserve, there is plenty of scuttlebutt regarding the question of whether Harvin will ask again to be traded — and whether this time the Vikings will decide to grant his request.

Though he is one of the best offensive players in the league, Harvin has been a headache for the Vikings for most of his career.  He battled with former coach Brad Childress, and the fact that Harvin has gotten under the skin of current coach Leslie Frazier, who is as even-keeled and low key as any coach at any level of the sport, speaks volumes to the problems Percy has caused.

Then there’s the fact that he surely will want to be paid huge money before his rookie contract expires after the 2013 season, and that’s an investment the Vikings may not want to make.

Harvin’s salary expectations won’t make it any easier to trade him.  At a minimum, what the next team will have to pay Harvin likely will reduce whatever package is available to Minnesota in the form of pick(s) or player(s).

As the Vikings push toward the postseason without Percy, they may decide that, in the long run, they’re better off without him.




I did not write the above arcticle and it is not my opinion.


Peace...

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I read that article to......and Frazier said there is no concerns and said there is nothing uneasy about Harvin. Again, I'll take Fraziers word over some media guy all the time.....these are the same reporters that lied about the summer confrontation. Just like you this guy is giving an opinion without any fact ........that heated exchange could have been about being put on injury reserve and harvin not wanting to......nothing wrong with that but I'm sure you'll think there is.

and Frazier said there is no concerns and said there is nothing uneasy about Harvin.



What do you expect him to say? You can't possibly be stupid enough to think he's just going to come out and rip Percy apart can you?



exchange could have been about being put on injury reserve and harvin not wanting to



Very true and it also could have been him acting like a pain in the a$$ again.



So now anything negative about Percy is a lie, wow, you are amazing. Is it a lie that he choked and threw his coach down at Florida? You said I couldn't find anything showing he had a negative impact on coaches or teammates and I have and you just say it's a lie.





Clasic stuff hutch.



Peace...

What was my point you ask? NONE OF THOSE THINGS WERE LIES! Nothing that I have stated is a lie, all of that was fact. It is my opinion that he's a headcase and a spoiled little child and we should trade him, I didn't say that was a fact. Somebody with the stats I showed is not elite it doesn't matter that you think so or I don't think so it's just FACT. You said i'm trying to push my opinions as facts and I have not done that. You on the other hand have, either that or maybe you need to lookup what the word elite means.


I guess there is a list of who can and who can't get a little over emotional at times... Yes there is those people are called leaders, Percy does not belong in that category, at least not yet.

I am not sure if you ever played organized sports or not but if you did you would know that when one of the players on the team cries or acts like a d-bag he is looked at like a punk and losses the respect of some of his teammates. The fact nobody has come out and ripped him doesn't mean it hasn't happened.

All the other junk you posted means nothing, it's just you losing again. I have become used to it.



Peace...

The posts are all there retard.....



Stay classy hutch.



Peace...

The posts are all there retard.....




Did you really expect anything different from this tool

Hutch / Nos......See you guys are at it again!!!!! You guya are a real trip but Viking brothers nonetheless...Save the bashing for the Pecker****, Fair Bears and Loins fans.

As I've said 1,000 times what we post is our opinion, nothing more and nothing less.

You both bring up valid points but they're only YOUR opinions.....Maybe right, maybe wrong, who knows. What we do know is that Harvin is a very talented individual, tends to have physical and mental issues that have prohibited him from playing a complete year and is needed by the Vikes if we are to continue to improve.

Harvin may be a head case and somewhat full of himself or he may feel that he deserves more money based on his performance this year and past years. I don't know the scoop on this guy but I do know he can help get us to the promised land. Throw him some money if that's what he wants and deserves and get other players around him and AD so all the pressure is not only on them. Be more creative and unpredictable in play calling and utilized all your players in the offensive schemes and maybe this will calm him done a bit.

Don't really know what the answers are here but we do need his talent and staying healthy if we are to improve.

711/67

They wouldn't have to continue arguing so much if Hutch would just admit that he's wrong.  

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Percy. percy percy percy. Here's my take on this. Lets say there is no more Percy Harvin in minny. And guess what, I hate to break it to you, but the Vikings aren't about to hand over a ton of picks for a 30 year old WR in Larry Fitzgerald, not to mention the $$$ being sucked up in that as well. So no Harvin, no big trades. Do you really think a big time free agent WR (Jennings, Bowe, etc.) wants to come to a RUNNING OFFENSE with a GIANT QUESTION MARK at QB??? The Vikes would have to throw LOADS of money to reel one of those guys into this situation. So no Harvin, no big FA, no blockbuster trades. So we go into the 2013 season starting Jarius Wright and Michael Jenkins at WR. Aromashapoop and Simpsh!t are gone. Childs is still an unknown. Burton should be packing. The bottom line, the Vikings WR situation is PATHETIC without Harvin. You can draft a WR really high like the Jags did. Look at the #1 drafted rookie WRs numbers this year. Not very impressive. I'm all for drafting a wideout in the early rounds. Just don't throw him into the #1 WR spot off the bat. Let him learn. Keep the "headache" around at least for the rest of his rookie contract. Honestly, he has no trade value. An unproven WR with a history of on and off the field issues wanting a lot of $$$. I'm sure teams are waiting to just fork over to him that change, along with their draft picks. Draft a WR in the first two rounds, add more WR depth later in the draft, look for some smaller names in FA, and keep Harvin for 2013. That's what I think SHOULD be done. 

http://min.scout.com/2/1256524.html


Here's another one....

All the other junk you posted means nothing, it's just you losing again. I have become used to it.

You kill me....you are so full of yourself......There was a time to grow up and you obviously missed it Nosy. The only thing lost is your mind ...the posts are all there, various analysts opinions are all over the internet but you seem to think your right are they are wrong. Even when both the coach and GM have said there are no issues with Harvin and his team mates love him and you still want to spew your garbage as fact. You know it makes look that much more of a fool but you are used to it.

A time to grow up? Says the guy who calls people retard.

Whats all there hutch? The fact that his coaches and teammates dont rip him? Is that what you mean? I don't know how to explain to you thats just not how the real world works, what would his coaches and teammates hope to gain from tearing into him in public? Nothing that would only make matters worse. I'm sorry you just don't understand that but there is obviously alot of things you don't understand and this is one of them, no big deal.

Spew my garbage? You mean the articles I posted from actual people that have actually witnessed him being a spoiled little punk and choking and throwing down a coach, there are also reports of him being a baby in high school in VA beach but I won't post those because all you'll do is say they are lies.

Go ahead and call me a fool hutch but it's easy to see who's the fool here, you said I was trying to pass off my opinion as fact I proved that wasn't the case so you start with the insults, you are a tiny person hutch and although I at times get a kick out of proving you wrong over and over again, you can become very annoying because you just don't pay attention to what people are saying.


Peace...

IN HIGH SCHOOL

He served a one-game suspension early in his junior football season for unsportsmanlike conduct. As a senior, he was suspended for the final two regular-season games after making contact with an official and using inappropriate language during a game against [First Colonial High School]. In basketball, Harvin and a [Green Run High School] player were involved in a scuffle that prompted referees to stop the game with time remaining on the clock. As a result of this and prior incidents, Harvin was suspended from athletic competition by the Virginia High School League (VHSL).

IN COLLEGE

It only got worse as Harvin’s career progressed. At one point during the 2008 season, multiple sources confirmed that Harvin, now a prominent member of the Minnesota Vikings, physically attacked wide receivers coach Billy Gonzales, grabbing him by the neck and throwing him to the ground. Harvin had to be pulled off Gonzales by two assistant coaches—but was never disciplined.

IN THE NFL

He has had run ins with both Brad Childress and Leslie Frazier.


I WAS WRONG, he is an outstanding person.


Peace...

i dont know whats gonna happen with percy!!! i mean we sighn carlson to a 20 mill or whatever deal and hes done absolutly nothing!!!!! so i dont know why we wouldnt sighn percy!!! i mean carlson was active for i think the entire season i may be wrong and his numbers arnt even no where close to percys and percy only played what half a season!!!! if you gamble 20 mill on a TE thats average at best i think you should be able to gameble on a guy like percy that is the toughest reciever ive ever seen and probally only comes around every ten years if ever!!!! ive never seen a reciever take on LBs and try to run over people like percy!!! hes crazy!!! if we let him go or trade him or whatever our organization is a joke... wait it already is lol

i shouldnt have said calson numbers arnt even close to percy because they shouldnt be... but hes done nothing!!!! its easy we cut him and give percy a deal!!! i dont know whay we havnt?/? 

i shouldnt have said calson numbers arnt even close to percy because they shouldnt be... but hes done nothing!!!! its easy we cut him and give percy a deal!!! i dont know whay we havnt?/? 

I have a feeling Carlson will contribute much more next season. Is he worth his contract? Not even close, but if I understand correctly cutting him still counts against the cap. He was injured for a while and never really developed chemistry with Ponder. Apparently Ponder had the 2nd highest QBR in the final 4 games (behind only P. Manning), so he really did show improvement down the stretch when it was needed most. So the QB position is more solid than it looked at this time last year IMO. Now go get a quality vet to back him up. 

Man!

This arguing about Percy Harvin has got me blown away.  I had a hunch this was a "delicate" issue with us Vikes fans when I started this thread - but even I couldnt ignore this feeling that Harvin could be problem in the off-season.

Alot of us dont want to think Percy is unhappy or leaving - because HE IS AN ELITE player in my opinion - and I would love him to STAY... He may not have the total career yards/catches/YAC/TDs statistics to deserve it YET - but HE PLAYS LIKE AN ELITE PLAYER - and he surely will at some point in his career achieve those stats - barring injuries.

IF HARVIN STAYS - then the Vikes will be happy to just draft the best WR prospects they can get in the draft. They wont feel they have to pick up a pricey veteran WR.  If you look back - Ponder to Harvin was working pretty good before Harvin got hurt. It was Ponders development and the other WRs not stepping up. But I think they improved - albiet TOO LATE in the season. Michael Jenkins really stepped up as a clutch receiver. I had written him off at the start of the season! AND HAVE YOU HEARD? - The Vikes are KEEPING SIMPSON - who I still have high hopes for. He did have a suspension and a leg injury when he was finally able to play to be fair. And he did make some good catches in the last couple of games that we won.  I feel that if he and Harvin were on the field at the same time more - that BOTH of them would stretch defenses more and that Simpson and other WR's/TE's would do better.

IF HARVIN GOES - I think the Vikes will have a "sniff" at getting Fitzgerald - because HE IS A FIT 30 YR OLD receiver - so I dont think his age is a concern. Jerry Rice and Chris Carter were getting pretty old before they retired - and they were still awesome.
IT WILL BE DECIDED BY MONEY AND DRAFT PICKS. Failing to get FITZ - they pick up who they can in FA and the DRAFT - particularly if they are good BLOCKING WRs - because I think the Vikes go heavy with the TEs receiving more this year along with a heavy dose of AP. Carlson was hurt at least half the season so they couldnt scheme that type of gameplan - so they just abandoned that and expected AP to carry the load. I'm sure of it. And you can write off Greg Childs from coming back from his serious injuries to BOTH KNEES!  He aint AP - and he aint going to recover from something twice as bad as Adrian Peterson's injury!

The draft is going to be really interesting - so another PREDICTION!

I predict - that we will all be ARGUING LIKE HELL over the logic of some of the choices Spielman makes, heh, heh!

My opinion is simple.  Harvin does have a history.  And he did scream at Leslie on the sidelines.  Which I think is off limits when cameras are watching.  You do it to your position coach or OC if you have to.  Leslie has more important things to do than to stick a pacifier in a screaming toddler.  Of course the GM will say he has no issues.  If he said he has issues, it hurts his trading stock (even if that's not on his table, he wants to leave it open).  

The question is, are they willing to put up with this type of behavior from time to time for his prodcution.  If I were GM, I wouldn't because of how gelled our team was even after he was on the "IR". Wonder if they can list a bad attitude as a reason to IR someone.  

I'd rather seem him gone.

From what it appeared, AP did nothing but boost Ponder with encouragement (which was reported) compared to what Harvin did, complain to coaches (which wasn't reported as fact, but opined by many in the news and analyst).  I'd rather have guys who encourage their teammates. But thats just my opinion.  See what Greg Jennings was doing to Mason Crosby even after missing like 20 FGs in a row.  Pumping him up on the sidelines.  That's who I want at WR. 

id like us to bring in Mike Wallace,give percy a deal draft a WR 1st or second then go interior oline!! Then next season we see what we have with ponder it will be a make or break year No escuses!