Mike Lombardi????

Never said it wasnt important, all I said was its not classified as a superstar....ya u guys r so good u destroy me....u guys r the best...lol

LOL!  Oh ok SS....I didn't realize you were the official judge of what defines a superstar....my bad, dude

Just for the record SS...You listed 5 QB's on that last pathetic attempt intended at JYD.  I wonder if those guys devalue the LT position as you do?  





Yeah........I doubt it too.       

Where did i devalue it? I just said above about the position

Where did I ever mention Phil Dawson?           


Pick on kickers if you must.....But LT???  Gimme a break....It's a cornerstone position!  If you fail there, you fail period.  

All I can figure is, you define "superstar status" by the jersey numbers that the twelve year olds are wearing....It's laughable.  I'm sorry, but it is.....Real football people understand the importance of protecting the QB's blindside.   Joe Thomas is a superstar.  Everybody knows this.


LT is not a glamour position, but it's every bit as important to be secure there as it is WR, RB, MLB, OLB, CB FS etc....It's silly to think otherwise.  In fact, in todays NFL, the only position that is more important is QB.   Just take a look at what these billionaire owners are paying for an elite LT.  Doesn't that say it all???  



    




    

Ok TD, lets c u keep drafting J Thomas while other teams will draft franchise QBs like Rodgers, Big Ben, Manning, Brady, etc....get a clue before u pop off w ur stupid comments.....those guys have SB titles while Thomas has bout a 30% win/loss.....drafting Thomas has done the Browns NO GOOD so u can call him the best player in the game and the Browns still stink.....no other way around it.  Also, real football people understand the value of winning and not just say this guy is gonna b good or is a superstar or this coach stinks or Heckert was good....all ur nonsense comes back to ONE thing.......u cant win football games.  Bottom line!!!!

Ok TD, lets c u keep drafting J Thomas while other teams will draft franchise QBs like Rodgers, Big Ben, Manning, Brady, etc....

Out of these 4 examples, only one was drafted in the top 5...or 10 for that matter....

How many LT in this league are drafted in the top 5?

IMO Irish, thats worse for ur case....LTs r found easier so ur so called genius Heckert/Holmgren tandem couldnt find a franchise QB during their time.  Its funny out of the whole post u point out 1 sentence, but the other parts u cant say a word cause Im 100% correct.  U guys can call Haden, Rubin, Gordon, Thomas, Mack, T-Rich, Sheard, Ward etc any words u want but as I stated the bottom line is these guys dont win games....now u want to give Weeden another shot cause of Chuds offense....what ur boy Colt cant play in his offense....I wish I had as many lives as u w all ur misses.

Never said it wasnt important, all I said was its not classified as a superstar....ya u guys r so good u destroy me....u guys r the best...lol

You say things like ^^^^That and then:

IMO Irish, thats worse for ur case....LTs r found easier so ur so called genius Heckert/Holmgren tandem couldnt find a franchise QB during their time.  Its funny out of the whole post u point out 1 sentence, but the other parts u cant say a word cause Im 100% correct.  U guys can call Haden, Rubin, Gordon, Thomas, Mack, T-Rich, Sheard, Ward etc any words u want but as I stated the bottom line is these guys dont win games....now u want to give Weeden another shot cause of Chuds offense....what ur boy Colt cant play in his offense....I wish I had as many lives as u w all ur misses.

The whole point of my post is to point out that YOU AND ONLY YOU do not view the LT position as a "Star" position.

In the real world the franchises take "star" players in the top 5 of the draft...

There are just as many, if not more LTs taken in the top 5 as QBs...

That is the only reason I responded at all to your irrelevant post...

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I cannot even BELIEVE you would consider calling me out on only posting about one sentence in your post...

The thing is, most of your posts have no meaning at all. You don't bring any facts or relevance, you simply state your feelings on a subject like "that position isn't a star position"...What the hell does that even mean?


This is the NFL, everything is based on performance and what makes money...thus everything is star power.

If you went to 100 fans and asked them who Peyton Manning was, they would know

If you went to 100 fans and asked them who Joe Thomas was, they would know

If you went to 100 fans and asked them who Josh Gordon or Justin Blackmon are, my bet is that not all 100 would know right away. Give them a few minutes to think about it and they will most likely figure it out, but not right off the top of their head...

TO ME...this is what Super Star status is...not taking achievement into account, like you are trying to do.

The ACTUAL meaning of Super Star status is how they perform on the field against their peers...

U guys can call Haden, Rubin, Gordon, Thomas, Mack, T-Rich, Sheard, Ward etc any words u want but as I stated the bottom line is these guys dont win games....now u want to give Weeden another shot cause of Chuds offense....what ur boy Colt cant play in his offense....I wish I had as many lives as u w all ur misses.

That's because you have made it abundantly clear that you have no clue about football...

I guess the Eagles have no "stars" on their team either? You guys claim we would be much better off with LeSean McCoy...some say Mike Vick, others say we should have taken Jeremy Maclin before Alex Mack...Well they are all a part of this miraculous team who did something else...went out and spent a ton of money on free agents...and they are picking ahead of us in the 2013 draft

Get a clue dude!

Give us all a break and spend your time on the Florida State message boards...since that is the ONLY team you claim to be a fan of, yet you are on these boards almost exclusively...Just go away troll...

Irish... I would 5 star that comment 10 times if I could!!!

If it was not you, my apologies, but didn't you say Holmgren was only in year 3 of his 5 year plan, while making the point we keep changing. Wouldn;'t this imply you were OK that he said he needed 5 years?

That was 3 years ago. They completed ripped the team apart and was building it the right way. After starting over 5 times, I was ready to give him his 5 years...However, those 3 years that have already passed aren't discounted now. The new regime doesn't have to tear anything down roster wise. They merely need to add to the work already done...Back in 2009, yes, I was OK with that. I admit it freely. They had done it every way except the way Holmgren explained it and it hadn't worked. I was ready to give that regime 5 years to do it the right way from the ground up...We are only 2 years away from that now though, so we aren't starting from scratch.

This regime should have this team in the playoffs in 2013 or 2014 competing at a very high level...

Guess where we disagree is where the team is after 3 years. While they are better than when they started (probably), I'm not sure it warrented another 2 years to let them finish had Holmgren stayed. At the very least, I think, Shurmur needed to go.

I do agree there is no excuse if they cannot get them to a least playoff contention within 2 years. If not sooner with the right moves this offseason.   

I actually have no problem with you,  Irish. Just a little sports discussion. What fun are they if we all agree? I'm not sure they as far along now as you think they are, or that they are so much better off now than when Heckert came. They are better off, sure, but that's not saying much. The guy ran 3 drafts, and still might have found a QB to build around, with high picks each year, and drafted maybe one star player (Haden). Jury's out on TRich.

Other than Andrew Luck and RGIII, I don't know that he "missed" on any QBs..Russell Wilson won some games, but he is not the catalyst that makes them win games, he simply doesn't lose them. Again, in Shurmur's offense, he fails just as much as Weeden/McCoy did...

This is opinion. Not fact. No matter who the coach is, I doubt anyone would take Weeden over Wilson. And it's not really close. 

More importantly, I am not ready to throw in the towel on Weeden like many others on here are. I think he fits Chud and Turner to a tee...Which is why I am as optimistic as I am.

And I hope you are right. It's the mental part that concerns me, not the physical ability. 


The most important aspect of the 2013 season imho is the health of Trent Richardson...If he can do what he did with broken ribs, I can't wait to see what he does healthy.

I agree, and didn;t have an issue with this pick. That said, it's common knowledge RBs can be found anywhere in the draft. It's my belief that most guys, if given 25+ carries will get you 100+ yards. 

DT, yes Akers has been bad this yr, but they also brought up 2011 when he was the best kicker in football and some of those other guys were on the team, but my point is they added pieces to go along w those guys to make them SB contenders....also, Harbaugh doesnt coach the defense which has been top notch over the last few yrs....Harbaugh has done a nice job, but TD just tries to blame all the failures on Shurmur like the Browns would have been contending if they had another coach.  Let me ask u this....if Harbaugh was the coach r the Browns in the SB this yr?    

The Super Bowl? No, but they might have been a playoff contender. Certainly, they are better than 5-11.  At the very least, I think he gets them the win against Philly in the opening game. Unlike Shurmur, I think he benches Weeden in that game, who obviously had nothing, and brings in McCoy.

This is not a Weeden indictment, as this would not have been a permanent change. Nothing wrong with telling him "you are still our guy, but you don't have it today". Shurmur was afraid of a controversy, and avoided one at all costs. Worst case for him would have been McCoy playing well, and leading them to a W. 

BTW:  Gold.  Learn how to post.  I've never seen such confusion... Good lord.

That's a you problem, topdawg. I've had no problem figuring it out. Again, I have said I'm open to any suggestions, as I am not the most computer savvy person that there is. Still not sure how to put something in a highlighted box. 

SS, you argue like my ex wife.....We were talking about Joe Thomas, and then you start talking about team winning percentages??  What the hell? That's why I think ur a joke, and an instigater...  I wasn't comparing the Browns to the Steelers or Patriots or Packers.   I was talking about JT, and the fact the HE is a superstar.   It's a team sport.  We are all aware of that!  JT, even the superstar that he is, can't do it all by himself...Clearly, the Browns have had other issues over the last 7 years, not the least of which is the QB position, but how the hell do you put that on Joe Thomas??? Every team in the league would love to be as secure as the Browns are at the LEFT TACKLE POSITION....Which is what we were talking about.


  

Cause he is not a superstar....he doesnt make game changing plays....whats so hard to figure out....yes the OL is important, Im not saying that, but people bring up the OL as a strength of this team.....if thats the case why cant they run the ball and score pts?  I brought up winning % cause even w this so called superstar u claim to have, the Browns havnt won a thing during his time here....so over the 7 yrs he has been here, no other players can contribute to make this team better?  People may know who J Thomas is, but they dont consider him a superstar

That's a you problem, topdawg. I've had no problem figuring it out. Again, I have said I'm open to any suggestions, as I am not the most computer savvy person that there is. Still not sure how to put something in a highlighted box.

Then I guess it's a ME problem too, cuz it gets REALLY CONFUSING!!! But, to answer your question... to put something in a box, just select everything that you want to go in said box, and click the quotation mark on the tool bar... if that makes any sense? 

That's a you problem, topdawg. I've had no problem figuring it out. Again, I have said I'm open to any suggestions, as I am not the most computer savvy person that there is. Still not sure how to put something in a highlighted box.

Then I guess it's a ME problem too, cuz it gets REALLY CONFUSING!!! But, to answer your question... to put something in a box, just select everything that you want to go in said box, and click the quotation mark on the tool bar... if that makes any sense?

It does...thanks (hope this wasn't too difficult to follow). 

Guess where we disagree is where the team is after 3 years. While they are better than when they started (probably), I'm not sure it warrented another 2 years to let them finish had Holmgren stayed. At the very least, I think, Shurmur needed to go.

I do agree there is no excuse if they cannot get them to a least playoff contention within 2 years. If not sooner with the right moves this offseason.  

We agree more than you think...

I agree 100% that Shurmur needed to go. He was holding back the growth of this team. I can only hope Chud makes better HC decisions and I believe he has gotten off to a good start by handing all gameday duties over to his coordinators. I think by managing them instead of trying to be one himself, it will allow him to make smarter game time decisions reserved for the HC. I am really pulling for Chud...

This is opinion. Not fact. No matter who the coach is, I doubt anyone would take Weeden over Wilson. And it's not really close. 

Of course it is opinion...that is all any of these posts are when speaking about any subject other than statistics.

And I don't disagree in any sense of the word about the above statement. Given the game day film, Wilson outperformed Weeden nearly every week. However, his shortcomings are still there that made him drop to the 3rd round. What happens if Marshawn Lynch falls to injury? Is Wilson enough of a QB to carry this team? He hasn't had to deal with that yet...conversely, what happens to Weeden if TRich comes back to full strength? He hasn't had that luxury as a QB yet either. There are many variables that change the course of player's careers. We have only seen one season in each of these men's lives, let's not annoint one over the other just yet.

I know stats aren't everything, but let's not forget that the Seahawks were 27th in passing last season...Not sure what that number does if Lynch isn't rushing for over 1,500 yards, are you sure?!

I agree, and didn;t have an issue with this pick. That said, it's common knowledge RBs can be found anywhere in the draft. It's my belief that most guys, if given 25+ carries will get you 100+ yards. 

Again, we are in agreement...Given the right offensive line, any back should be able to get you 100 yards with 25 carries...however, the great backs can do it with 20 carries and give you another 400 yards in receiving over the course of the year. That is what TRicj brings to the table imho...call it an excuse or what ever, but trying to run with broken ribs is a daunting task, try running in between 300lb men wanting to take your head off with those broken ribs. I commend him for what he accomplished, not condemn him for what he didn't.

That's a you problem, topdawg. I've had no problem figuring it out. Again, I have said I'm open to any suggestions, as I am not the most computer savvy person that there is. Still not sure how to put something in a highlighted box.

Then I guess it's a ME problem too, cuz it gets REALLY CONFUSING!!! But, to answer your question... to put something in a box, just select everything that you want to go in said box, and click the quotation mark on the tool bar... if that makes any sense?

It does...thanks (hope this wasn't too difficult to follow). 

It's pretty obvious you have the cut and paste function down pat...All you have to do is highlight the subject matter and put it in a quote box and problem is solved. As you can see above, you can put mulitple lines of the conversation in the box..