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February 2, 2013 4:44 pm

How about this scenario? Bears sign a free agent left tackle for 2 years, anyone with the exception of Clady. We already know that Long has not been playing real great, and Albert has some back problems.

When pick #20 arrives, both Lane Johnson and Alec Ogletree are on the board, which are the top-rated OT and top-rated LB on the Bears board and also the top 2 on the entire Bears board. Who do you take? Ouch, this is a brutal decision eh ?
Buckpasser55
SinceJul 2, 2010
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February 2, 2013 10:41 pm

That isn't a conundrum to me at all. 

Regarding the offensive line, we've been given a plate of crap and were told it's filet mignon (or at least strip steak) for years and I'm tired of it.

Build for the future and grab Johnson.  You can never have too many good offensive lineman, besides, Carimi is far from a lock at RT anyway.   
bear-man 11
SinceNov 3, 2006
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February 2, 2013 11:33 pm

How about this scenario? Bears sign a free agent left tackle for 2 years, anyone with the exception of Clady. We already know that Long has not been playing real great, and Albert has some back problems.

When pick #20 arrives, both Lane Johnson and Alec Ogletree are on the board, which are the top-rated OT and top-rated LB on the Bears board and also the top 2 on the entire Bears board. Who do you take? Ouch, this is a brutal decision eh ?
Not Lane Johnson.  Give me Barrett Jones or Jonathan Cooper first.  Lane Johnson was a QB in high school and freshman year of college, then moved to DT, then "tried his hand" at OT when he was bad at that too; where he was only average as an OLineman.  Better pass rushers like Sam Acho smoked him, while below average ones were stopped.  Im told about his great footwork.  But the annoying thing about him is everyone is calling him "raw" or "needs alot of NFL work" or "has a huge ceiling."  If I'm drafting an OT I want a guy who's done it for a while, knows the position, knows how to handle different kinds of pass rushers and has done so consistently at the collegiate level-- from handling bullrushers, to run stoppers, to speed rushers, to rush LBs, to pass rushers bigger and wider than they to pass rushers shorter and faster.  Someone who hasnt done it for a year and a half; only facing a conference of teams wehre theres only 1 dominant pass rusher.  I dont like that resume.

Thats why round 2 I target one of Kyle Long, Oday Aboushi, or David Quessenberry.  I really like Quessenberry right now because while everyone touted Ezikiel Ansah about his senior bowl "domination," this guy held him down and turned him silent for the quarter they were lined up against eachother.  0 sacks, 0 pressures, 1 tackle (down the field after a 7 yard rush), 0 plays broken up in backfield.  All the dude needs to do is put on 15 lbs of muscle (hes at 295 right now). 

If Ogletree is the consensus 1st rounder (all the domers will be pissy when Teo gets passed upon as well he should); give me Quessenberry round 2.  Though I dont know about this years crop of LBs.  Seems awfully weak; alot of people think Ogletree needed to go back for his senior year to improve his TE coverage.  Teo is seemingly far too slow and got shut down when Alabama planned for him.  There isnt a guy like Luke Kuechly this year, or next for that matter.

One thing I would consider as brought up before is Brandon Hardin.  Sit him under Lach for a year or two and draft Kenny Vaccaro, S from Texas whos being compared to Earl Thomas.  Food for though.

Just my opinions, got lots as I love draft evaluation time.  Still no to Lane Johnson. 
patg006
SinceMar 30, 2007
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February 3, 2013 9:47 am

6th round I look for a project type quarterback.

Good round for a 3rd string project QB. What are your thoughts on Jordan Rodgers in a Bears uniform?  

I like his mobility in and out of the pocket, the touch he puts on passes, and his bloodlines...

Check him out in the swamp...   

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtiqnCF5a9s]
      
Scotty27
SinceMar 21, 2009
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February 3, 2013 3:39 pm

I watched Ogletree a few times and I wasn't very impressed. He seemed pretty thin and weak for the Bears defense. I'd rather try Shea at a lb position. He certainly is fast enough and big enough. Whether he can drop back as a defender is the real question for him. I think he is pretty much wasted as DE.


Al in Cal
SinceFeb 11, 2011
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February 3, 2013 3:45 pm

6th round I look for a project type quarterback.

Good round for a 3rd string project QB. What are your thoughts on Jordan Rodgers in a Bears uniform?  

I like his mobility in and out of the pocket, the touch he puts on passes, and his bloodlines...

I like the guy quite a bit. Reminds me of Taylor Martinez at Nebraska but has better accuracy while not being as good a runner.

Al in Cal
SinceFeb 11, 2011
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February 3, 2013 9:00 pm

IMO, Miner from LSU looks the best out of 1st round ILB talent.

Considering O-Line, to reach for 2nd round talent tackle over 1st round talent interior O-Lineman would be a mistake at #20.


Scyte&Hammer
SinceOct 29, 2007
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February 3, 2013 9:01 pm

That's Kevin Minter from LSU I meant there.

Scyte&Hammer
SinceOct 29, 2007
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February 4, 2013 11:23 pm

Not Lane Johnson.  Give me Barrett Jones or Jonathan Cooper first.  Lane Johnson was a QB in high school and freshman year of college, then moved to DT, then "tried his hand" at OT when he was bad at that too; where he was only average as an OLineman.  Better pass rushers like Sam Acho smoked him, while below average ones were stopped.  Im told about his great footwork.  But the annoying thing about him is everyone is calling him "raw" or "needs alot of NFL work" or "has a huge ceiling."  If I'm drafting an OT I want a guy who's done it for a while, knows the position, knows how to handle different kinds of pass rushers and has done so consistently at the collegiate level-- from handling bullrushers, to run stoppers, to speed rushers, to rush LBs, to pass rushers bigger and wider than they to pass rushers shorter and faster.  Someone who hasnt done it for a year and a half; only facing a conference of teams wehre theres only 1 dominant pass rusher.  I dont like that resume.


Ok.  That is a very fair analysis, and I like your theory.  If any fans are sick of those buzz phrases, it's us.

I do not watch college football.  I should, but it just doesn't interest me, nor do I have the time or energy to follow it. 

I will say this though - I watched the Senior Bowl practices on NFL Network, and Lane Johnosn was dominating top tier defensive linemen.  He was all over them - inside moves, outside speed rush, bull rush, etc..  He looked like a top tier NFL left tackle from what I saw, and Mike Mayock was loving him also in the one-on-ones. 

The three guys that looked awesome were Eric Fisher, Lane Johnosn, and, you called it... Quessenberry.  Mayock was all over that guy and he looked great in the one-on-ones to me too.

There's no way Quessenberry lasts until late 2nd.  He could be the Bears' first round pick.      
bear-man 11
SinceNov 3, 2006
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February 5, 2013 9:56 am

Not Lane Johnson.  Give me Barrett Jones or Jonathan Cooper first.  Lane Johnson was a QB in high school and freshman year of college, then moved to DT, then "tried his hand" at OT when he was bad at that too; where he was only average as an OLineman.  Better pass rushers like Sam Acho smoked him, while below average ones were stopped.  Im told about his great footwork.  But the annoying thing about him is everyone is calling him "raw" or "needs alot of NFL work" or "has a huge ceiling."  If I'm drafting an OT I want a guy who's done it for a while, knows the position, knows how to handle different kinds of pass rushers and has done so consistently at the collegiate level-- from handling bullrushers, to run stoppers, to speed rushers, to rush LBs, to pass rushers bigger and wider than they to pass rushers shorter and faster.  Someone who hasnt done it for a year and a half; only facing a conference of teams wehre theres only 1 dominant pass rusher.  I dont like that resume
Not arguing for or against Lane Johnson because the only one I have watched a lot of out of the 3 you mentioned is Barrett Jones.  I would take him in a heart beat.  He is that Center you plug in for the next 10-15 years and from all accounts, can be that Kruetz type leader. 

As for Lane Johnson, I understand he has been moved around but the fact that he was a QB kind of intrigues me because it means he has some athleticism.  Most offensive lineman are put there because they are big, aka J'Suckous Webb.  I would have to watch more on how he played this last season and how he does in the combine and the post season bowls.  But at #20, you are not going to get a bonafied stud LT.  If you go Tackle you are going to have to take a chance and if this guy can be molded and developed,

aggie16
SinceOct 3, 2006
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February 7, 2013 2:40 pm

No big surprise here, Clady will most likely not hit the free agent market...


The Denver Post considers the Broncos "far more likely" to
slap LT Ryan Clady with the franchise tag rather than sign him to a long-term
deal before free agency.

  Clady turned down a deal worth $10 million annually last
offseason. Tagging Clady would cost Denver "only" $9.66 million. Beat writer
Jeff Legwold points to Clady's recent shoulder surgery, giving him two major
operations in his career. Clady also underwent knee surgery after rupturing his
patella tendon in 2010. Still just 26, Clady has made three Pro Bowls through
five NFL seasons. Feb 7 - 2:26 AM

[http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl
/4616/ryan-clady]


It also appears the Bears are interested in Lane Johnson...


Lane Johnson Receives Interest from Bears, Bucs, Colts, Texans

 
Oklahoma offensive tackle Lane Johnson has seen his draft stock skyrocket following his phenomenal showing at the Senior Bowl. He impressed in the one-on-one pass-rushing scrimmages and is now considered the consensus No. 3 tackle prospect for the 2013 NFL Draft. That works out to
Johnson likely being selected in the back half of the first round of the 2013 NFL Draft.

WalterFootball.com caught up with Johnson to get an idea which teams were showing a lot of interest in him.

"I know Chicago really likes me," said Johnson. "I wouldn't mind going to the Texans; that's right by my house. I'm meeting with them. They run a good zone scheme and I wouldn't mind going there."

Johnson also met with a number of other franchises including Tampa Bay and Indianapolis. Overall, Johnson said the meetings with teams went very well, and he was eager for the opportunity to let the teams' decision-makers get to know him.

"I want to show teams what kind of character I have off the field. I want to show them I'm a man of my word," said Johnson. "I want to show them I'm a versatile guy that can play right and left, or whatever they need me to do. And I want to show them I can run block as well."

Johnson had no problems stepping up against good competition at the Senior Bowl. As a member of the South team, he had multiple opportunities to go against one of the 2013 NFL Draft's elite defensive ends, BYU's Ezekiel Ansah. Johnson fared well against Ansah.

"I was trying to match up and step up to the competition," Johnson said. "One of the guys who stood out was the guy from BYU (Ansah). Him and (Malliciah) Goodman stood out to me. "I think I handled myself well. The coach said he has a limited amount of time, so he can't coach us up on
everything; and he said he won't change what we do, but if notices anything that needs to be corrected, he'd go over that."

We then asked Johnson about who was the best player he went against in 2012.

"This season, probably Alex Okafor from Texas and Devonte Fields from TCU," said Johnson. Okafor was another Senior Bowl all-star but was on the North squad.

Entering the NFL, Johnson said he would be comfortable playing any scheme. He would probably add more weight for a power-man scheme, but scouts told WalterFootball.com that they believe that won't be an issue. They felt that Johnson could easily add 10-20 pounds and that the 6-foot-6, 302 pounder hasn't maxed out his frame.

"We did some power too [in Mobile], but we were primarily a zone scheme," said Johnson. "We threw the ball a lot, so I had the opportunity to show my protection skills."

Those protection skills are likely to get Johnson drafted in the first round next April, and he could be the blind-side protector for Andrew Luck or Jay Cutler next season.
 
[http://www.walterfootball.com/draft
interview_lanejohnson.php]

 
Johnson could be the pick, but there is obviously a long ways to go...
      
I would have to watch more on how he played this last season and how he does in the combine and the post season bowls.

vs UT

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ozTZFLj17A]

vs WVU

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi5gbnIQRnE]
   
  vs A&M ( Cotton Bowl )

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSciUhPelqA]
  
  
He looks like he has good potential at LT. Combined with his strong week at the Senior Bowl, I can see why his stock is rising. It was interesting that Oklahoma moved him to RT on the goaline in the Belldozer package. That shows they thought highly of his run blocking skills as well as his pass blocking skills.

Next up, lets see his athleticism ( quick feet ) on display in the underwear olympics... 
Scotty27
SinceMar 21, 2009
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February 8, 2013 11:43 am

Not arguing for or against Lane Johnson because the only one I have watched a lot of out of the 3 you mentioned is Barrett Jones.  I would take him in a heart beat.  He is that Center you plug in for the next 10-15 years and from all accounts, can be that Kruetz type leader. 

That is an interesting option. Do you think that adding a very good center like Jones would be a better idea than say taking the 3rd or 4th best offensive tackle or the 2nd or 3rd best guard or linebacker? Your suggestion has merit.

Al in Cal
SinceFeb 11, 2011
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February 8, 2013 12:22 pm

That is an interesting option. Do you think that adding a very good center like Jones would be a better idea than say taking the 3rd or 4th best offensive tackle or the 2nd or 3rd best guard or linebacker?
Absolutely.  Look, as mentioned before--somewhere--I dont feel good about this years LB class.  Teo isnt fast enough to handle the Bears style D and Alec Ogletree would have done himself a world of good by staying his senior year and focusing on coverage of LBs.  He would be a top 10 pick if he had better than laughable coverage skills. 

I dont trust Lane Johnson.  If we draft him I'll support, but I dont trust him.  David Quessenberry I could feel better about......

The OC who can open up lanes so Bush can run between the guards is a nice problem solved; not the big one at LT--but....any correction is better than none.

Your suggestion has merit.
Sarcasm?
patg006
SinceMar 30, 2007
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February 8, 2013 9:01 pm

Your suggestion has merit.
Sarcasm?

No. IF I were sarcastic there wouldn't be any doubt about it:) I respect when people go against the grain so to speak. None of us have a lock on smart opinions or dumb ones for that matter. Why not bring in a guy who can fill the center position well for 10+ years? I was all for bringing in Castro last year at guard. He got hurt but I would have not had any problem with the Bear's drafting him.

I am also not going to say whether they should draft the guy or not. Only Emery and Trestman know what their over-all draft plan is. I just happen to think that it should be an offensive lineman who can make a significant difference. Perhaps they can trade down? To add a high pick and draft the guy later? 

I think that the outcome of the upcoming draft is going to be pretty interesting. It will really be the first concrete example of the thinking of the new regime. I will be excited for sure to see what this new group will do both in the draft and in free agency as all Bears fans will.

Al in Cal
SinceFeb 11, 2011
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February 10, 2013 1:33 am

The Bears would be best served by getting a top end free agent left tackle like Jake Long or Phil Loadholdt... Then draft best offensive lineman or tight end available in round 1. 
                 
We talk about Brian Urlachers replacement. What if hes already on the team? Not Shea McClellin but Lance Briggs. Slide Briggs to MLB and then draft a OLB in round 2. I am certain Briggs would like to step out of 54's shadow and have his chance to lead the defense.
phantasmic1
SinceJan 12, 2009
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February 11, 2013 9:02 am

Slide Briggs to MLB and then draft a OLB in round 2. I am certain Briggs would like to step out of 54's shadow and have his chance to lead the defense.
Briggs himself has said multiple times that he does not want to do this and has no intentions of ever doing this.  I personally think if Briggs played next to Urlacher his entire career he would have absolutely no problem with that.  He is viewed as one of the best LB's in the game and the combination of the two of them has been beneficial to both.

By moving Briggs you may somewhat plug one hole but then leave another.  He is pro bowl caliber at his current LB position, no point in moving him because there is no replacement for him either.
aggie16
SinceOct 3, 2006
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February 12, 2013 1:45 am

All of that may be true but it is much easier to sign Nick Barnett and have him play OLB and have Briggs at MLB and Roach as OLB. I give 2 shytes about what Briggs says about playing MLB. He gets paid a ton of jack to play off the ball in coverage and not get sacks. Time for him to be a team player and step into a role until a more suitable replacement can be found if Urlacher departs.
phantasmic1
SinceJan 12, 2009