Happy 40th Anniversary!

I think killing children is very wrong.  However, I don't think an embryo is a "child." 

Your feelings are irrelevant, the science is settled on when life begins: at conception.


Regardless, that's not a decision for me to make ... And it's not yours either. 


Murder is the business of society, if it wasn't then there wouldn't be any laws against murder on the books.  Abortion is no different than the Holocaust or the millions that Stalin and Mao killed.  If you don't have a problem with abortion then you can't have a problem with any other mass killings without being a hypocrite.

Your feelings are irrelevant, the science is settled on when life begins: at conception.

How about a source for that.  An unbiased one.

 Murder is the business of society, if it wasn't then there wouldn't be any laws against murder on the books.  Abortion is no different than the Holocaust or the millions that Stalin and Mao killed.  If you don't have a problem with abortion then you can't have a problem with any other mass killings without being a hypocrite.

Yeah, abortion =/= the holocaust.  A fetus or embryo is not a person or alive.

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Your feelings are irrelevant, the science is settled on when life begins: at conception.

Says who ?  Gametes from potential parents exist right now in the form of sperm and eggs.  In fact, a little girl is born with all the eggs she's ever going to have- to kill her isn't just killing one life by your definition, it's a couple of million to a few hundred thousand potential lives snuffed out (depending when you kill her).

Murder is the business of society, if it wasn't then there wouldn't be any laws against murder on the books.

Except no law defines an embryo, zygote or gamete as a person.  So to kill one isn't murder.  Just as removing a cancerous growth (they're cells!) isn't murder.
 

Abortion is no different than the Holocaust or the millions that Stalin and Mao killed.

Uhh yeah, it's a little different. 

If you don't have a problem with abortion then you can't have a problem with any other mass killings without being a hypocrite.

First strawman of the day ?  I'm sure it won't be the last...

Is that right, we always have to increase our population, forever?  So what's the endgame?

The way our society is set up yes, the population must keep increasing because the working generation must pay for those who are not working.  Has the shortage of taxpaying workers not been talked about as a problem for unfunded liabilities?


Are you claiming this is in direct response to abortion?


Yes.


So if abortion was illegal, our country would be chalk full of people, and thus no illegal immigrants could fit, so they just wouldn't come over?


No, society would either get rid of them or they wouldn't come in the first place due to the lack of jobs available.  The reason why it is tolerated right now is because politicians are hoping that they will eventually become taxpaying citizens that can help bail the country out of debt.


Third world barbarians...I was just kidding before but maybe you really are a racist.


First world civilizations are considered more civilized than third world civilizations....is this something you deny?  Were the Gauls more, less, or equally as civilized as the Roman's?  Are the waves of "immigrants" that fought the Romans as the empire was declining not called barbarians by historians?  Save your cries of racism, they have no effect here.


We're all immigrants you realize right? 


No, I was born and raised in America.  If you are talking about ancestry, though, then you could say that about every single person in the world.


I hate when children die, but I do love toasting up a nice crunchy fetus po-boy.


Which makes you an advocate of murder and a hypocrite.

Cat loving vegans are too humane to eat food products, which are from killing animals, but they'll eagerly munch down cucumber sandwiches.

Cucumber seeds are living cucumber fetuses/babies. They'll crush living plant babies, but won't eat dead animals.

How about a source for that.  An unbiased one.

There is no such thing as an unbiased source.  In order to end life, which what abortion does, life must have already begun.  Simple logic should suffice to prove my point.


You can't kill something that is already dead unless you are talking about a zombie apocolypse.

Except no law defines an embryo, zygote or gamete as a person.

So what?  If a law said that gravity does not exist would that make a difference?


Fact: life begins at conception


Fact: abortion ends life


Therefore, abortion is murder without due process

There is no such thing as an unbiased source.  In order to end life, which what abortion does, life must have already begun.  Simple logic should suffice to prove my point.


You can't kill something that is already dead unless you are talking about a zombie apocolypse.

Except when you get an abortion you aren't killing any living thing.  So your logic fails.

Fact Opinion: life begins at conception


Fact Opinion: abortion ends life

Fixed it

Your feelings are irrelevant, the science is settled on when life begins: at conception.

No, life began millions of years ago. 

Murder is the business of society,

Abortion isn't murder. 

If you don't have a problem with abortion then you can't have a problem with any other mass killings without being a hypocrite.

Non Sequitur. 

Except when you get an abortion you aren't killing any living thing.  So your logic fails.

By any scientific definition a fetus is considered a living thing...even pro choice groups acknowledge this.  We aren't talking about an empty shell that spontaneously comes to life like Pinocchio.

 If you don't have a problem with abortion then you can't have a problem with any other mass killings without being a hypocrite


You may well be correct....but ONLY IF the pro-abortion advocate truly BELIEVES the fetus is a living human being.

And, as has been asked before, what does THAT, make a pro-lifer who supports the death penalty?



I'm thinking we don't see everything too clearly when we're at a great distance....i.e., "the high moral ground"

Therefore, abortion is murder without due process

So then miscarriages are "involuntary manslaughter?"

Get real, clown.

By any scientific definition a fetus is considered a living thing...even pro choice groups acknowledge this.

That doesn't make it a "person."  Your sperm are alive as well, don't 'cha know... 

So then miscarriages are "involuntary manslaughter?"

It depends on the situation....if a woman is attacked and has a miscarraige in the process then the attacker, if convicted, should be charged based on manslaughter laws.

That doesn't make it a "person."  Your sperm are alive as well, don't 'cha know... 

A potential person is not an actual person...you are grasping for straws now because your position is weak.

A potential person is not an actual person...

Hence why abortion is not murder.

It depends on the situation..

Do you know that around 40 percent of all zygotes are naturally aborted by the woman's body?  That means every woman is a mass murderer by your asinine illogic. 

For those who are opposed to abortion based on the 'life on conception' concept, here is a guide to prevent wild hypocricy:

Don't eat eggs.
Don't eat meat.
Don't eat plants.
Do not treat virus infections
Do not fight cancer
Do not take antibiotics
Don't remove ticks and fleas if they get on you.




I'm against Federally funded abortions, and abortions by underage girls without parental notification.

For those who support abortion on the grounds of population control, you should also oppose the following:


Government assistance to people simply because they have children.
Increased welfare benefits for people who have more children.
Increased tax writeoffs for people with children.

A potential person is not an actual person..

This is exactly whay zygotes and embryos aren't "people."

you are grasping for straws now because your position is weak.

No, my position is so strong that it makes you look absolutely foolish. 

But please, keep pumping out those logical fallacies ... it's funny stuff.