Navy AD says Boise State "not worth it"

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Navy AD says Boise State "not worth it"

February 17, 2013 11:21 pm

Geneh, in 2006 and 2009 Boise didn't have to convince you or anyone else they were a top 5 team. Why? Because they were a top 5 team in the final rankings. It's not anyone's opinion. It's a fact. In several other seasons they have finished in the top 10 as well.
Boise4Life
SinceMar 28, 2012
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Navy AD says Boise State "not worth it"

February 18, 2013 8:47 am

Yes, that's true, but as long as Boise refuses to play a competent SOS OOC, their rankings will be questioned. I don't think Boise State has ever fielded a Top 5 team. Top Ten maybe, but Top 5 no way. Since they don't play anybody I can't say they honestly proved themselves to be a Top 5 team. Sorry.
geneh_32
SinceDec 30, 2007
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Navy AD says Boise State "not worth it"

February 18, 2013 9:24 am

Perhaps a little shame when outstanding teams like Alabama or Florida constantly fill their OOC schedules with cupcakes would be in order?

 Nothing Boise doesnt do.

 After all, that must all be Boise's fault, yes?

 Finally you get it. Yes Boise's weak OOC is BOISE'S fault! Hey I see you are starting to come around, good job smiley boy!
TheSwamp15
SinceSep 7, 2008
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Navy AD says Boise State "not worth it"

February 18, 2013 10:05 am

Why is all this space wasted on Boise?

Is it childishness or plain trolling?
gloxidam
SinceFeb 16, 2013
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Navy AD says Boise State "not worth it"

February 18, 2013 11:54 am

Yes, that's true, but as long as Boise refuses to play a competent SOS OOC, their rankings will be questioned. I don't think Boise State has ever fielded a Top 5 team. Top Ten maybe, but Top 5 no way. Since they don't play anybody I can't say they honestly proved themselves to be a Top 5 team. Sorry.


You crack me up, geneh.  It doesn't matter that you think there's "no way they were a top 5 team" cuz they were.  That's the whole point!  Again, you or I do not know more than the people who evaluate and rank these teams for a living.  You want to sit there and rail on the MWC and call it a weak conference, but take a look at yours!  For an AQ your conference absolutely sucks.  It's not much better than the MWC to be honest with you.  Heck the MWC has three teams coming into 2013 that were ranked last year to the ACC's two.  And thank God Florida State drew the EOY #24 Northern Illnois Huskies in their bowl game, otherwise your conference would probably be looking at a 2 and 14 all-time BCS record.  That stat is almost too incredible to believe it's so pathetic.  

When Utah was in the MWC they smashed both then #19 Pitt and then #4 Alabama.  When TCU was in the MWC they beat then #4 Wisconsin in the Rose.  Unfortunately for them they had to play Boise who finished 4th in their other BCS bowl game and lost.  Otherwise there's a good chance they'd be 2 and 0 just like Utah and Boise are.  Why do these MWC teams handle their business while the ACC collectively as an entire conference can't in BCS bowl games?  Is the ACC really that much better than the MWC?  Honestly, I don't think so. 

And you also continue to pile on Boise saying they beat up on a bunch of cupcakes and never deserved to be ranked in the top 5 in 2006 and 2009.  Well, the opportunity to shine in big games as a non-AQ is fairly limited, but Boise did beat EOY #21 Oregon State, #24 Hawaii, and #11 Oklahoma in 2006 and beat EOY #11 Oregon and #6 TCU in 2009.  Why don't you ask coaches like Bob Stoops, Chip Kelly, Gary Patterson, Mike Reilly if they thought Boise was a top 5 team in those seasons?  I have a pretty good idea as to what their responses would be.  And keep in mind that every single one of those teams I listed would have finished ranked even higher if they didn't have the misfortune of playing and losing to Boise.  I know.  I know.  Boise doesn't play anybody.  They're well rested.  It's not fair.  They didn't have to go through the grind.  They had more time to prepare than their opponent (love that one!).  They "get up for the big games" while their opponents don't care (love that one too!!!).  Excuses, excuses and a bunch of bullcrap for getting beat.

So Boise beat 5 end of year ranked teams and everyone else on their schedule in 2006 and 2009, but they didn't deserve to finish in the top 5, geneh?!  You do realize that playing (and beating) five ranked teams in the two seasons that you mentioned is equal to or even greater than the number of EOY ranked teams that schools from your crappy conference the ACC, the Big Least and even in some cases the Big 10 play.  You know.  "The big boys."  Look at your new favorite team (for now), the Carolina Tar Heels.  You want to rail on my team for playing a weak schedule?!  Dude, look at yours.  You didn't play a single ranked team IC in your eight games last year, mainly because your conference sucks.  Luckily, you were able to get an OOC ranked team on the schedule somehow.  It was #13 Louisville who you of course lost to.  Your Tar Heels played one ranked team all season.  One!!! And you want to rail on a non-AQ for their weak schedule.  Give me a freaking break.      
Boise4Life
SinceMar 28, 2012
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Navy AD says Boise State "not worth it"

February 18, 2013 12:07 pm

I just looked at North Carolina's schedule/results again and also their SOS from last year which per this website was 90th.  Talk about pathetic, especially for a supposed "AQ" team.  And this guy's demaning Boise for their schedule.  Incredible.

Listen, I'll take it from the SEC fans.  I'll even take it from fans of Pac 12 and Big 12 teams, but I'm not going to take it from a fan (again for now) of some middling, crappy ACC team that plays the 90th ranked schedule in the country.  Sorry.  Not gonna do it.
Boise4Life
SinceMar 28, 2012
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Navy AD says Boise State "not worth it"

February 18, 2013 12:46 pm

It does not matter what team I root for or what their SOS is, that does not change Boise's situation one bit. You can rail on UNC and the ACC all day if it makes you feel any better. Be my guest. I don't care what you or any other Boise fan thinks about my team or conference. WE put more players in the NFL than any other conference save the SEC only. Your rant is out of rage and is what we have come to expect from Boise fans angry about their lack of respect - in this case as a Top 5 team - but they haven't earned it and there is nothing I can do about that. Only your AD can.

Listen, I'll take it from the SEC fans.  I'll even take it from fans of Pac 12 and Big 12 teams, but I'm not going to take it from a fan (again for now) of some middling, crappy ACC team that plays the 90th ranked schedule in the country.  Sorry.  Not gonna do it.
Okay. If it makes you feel better then don't. I couldn't care less what you think about UNC or the ACC. Our stats speak for themselves. 

Clemson is playing both UGA and SC this coming season. Has Boise ever played 2 SEC teams in the same season? I don't think so. 
geneh_32
SinceDec 30, 2007
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Navy AD says Boise State "not worth it"

February 18, 2013 1:01 pm

Consider yourself owned geneh. You no longer get to join in the chastizing.
gobbledegoop
SinceJan 9, 2007
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Navy AD says Boise State "not worth it"

February 18, 2013 1:13 pm

I couldn't care less what you think about UNC or the ACC. Our stats speak for themselves.



Yes.  The stats do speak for themselves.  I just layed a bunch of them out as it relates to your conference and all signs point to your conference sucking, worst AQ conference in the BCS era.  Hell, even the Big Least is 8 and 7 all-time in BCS games.  As an ACC fan, you should be ashamed. 


Be my guest. I don't care what you or any other Boise fan thinks about my team or conference.


Hey the feeling is mutual, Pal.  I couldn't care less about crappy North Carolina or the crappy conference they come from.  And I couldn't care less as to your opinions on Boise either.  But obviously you care enough about them to spend so much time on these forums mostly belittling their schedule and their highly ranked finishes in the polls year in and year out.  I don't think I've ever written a single post with the words "North Carolina" or "Tarheel" in it until today.  Know why?  Cuz North Carolina sucks.  No one cares about them!  And you can state over and over again that Boise was not a top 5 team in '06 and '09.  None of that matters because you're wrong.  They in fact, were top 5 teams in those seasons.  Your "opinion" on the matter doesn't amount to a hill of beans.
Boise4Life
SinceMar 28, 2012
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Navy AD says Boise State "not worth it"

February 18, 2013 1:37 pm

Unfortunately the answer for now may be to take those one and done road games versus a powerhouse and match that road game with a home game against a FCS team like we're doing next year with UT Martin. Hey, it sucks and I hate it, but I don't know what else Boise could do that would be better and still allow them to play six home games.
Boise4Life,

I actually completely agree with this strategy and don't think it sucks.   Bringing in an FCS doesn't count against your BCS SOS and would actual be better for Boise SOS wise than bringing in some FBS team ranked under a 100.

If Boise played 1 top ranked team, an FCS team, BYU and some other middling team you could get a home/home with you would be better off.

The real risk for a top tier program is in playing teams in the 35 to 85 range.  If you win, well big deal you were supposed to win, if you lose it kills you.  A top tier team playing below 85 should never lose...and if you do, well it says more about where your program is than the low ranked team.

This risk/reward issue is one of the problems with Boise's perceived schedule.  Right now Boise's schedule is filled with 35-85 teams, if you win nobody cares and if you lose, you never hear the end of it.  People will make fun of you for the UT-Martin's of the world, but there is no risk there, but there is also no reward.  In fact I would argue the based only on risk/reward  Boise would be much better off playing UT-Martin than almost half their MWC schedule.

Let me explain, Boise can always have an off day and lose to a middling MWC team...just as Alabama can have an off day and lose to a middling SEC team...it's not a knock, just a reality.  It might be slightly less likely as the talent gap between Boise and the rest of the MWC is bigger than the talent gap between Alabama and the rest of the SEC, but the 'any given Saturday' point is still valid.  The reality is though that they can't lose to UT-Martin, the talent gap is just too big.  

My point is, if you're going to have an off day and lose, it might as well be to a top 35 team, because there actually is a reward for beating a top team...and it is much greater than the penalty for losing to one. and if your risk of losing is extremely low(teams ranked under 85)  then it might as well be 0% (UT-Martin) because a crappy win is a crappy win and you don't get any more points for winning a game you have a 10% chance of losing as you do for a game you have a 0% chance of losing.  and since there is no SOS penalty for playing the FCS team, there is actually more reward for playing the game you have less of a chance of losing.  

On the opposite extreme if your chance of losing is going to be above say 30% why would you risk it against say the #50 team.  Might as well play the #15 team, even if you're chance of winning drops to 50% or less.   There is still risk in playing the #50 team, but there is no reward.  If your going to risk something, shouldn't there be some sort of payoff?


RollTide94
SinceNov 30, 2009
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Navy AD says Boise State "not worth it"

February 18, 2013 2:19 pm

Still waiting to see how Mark Coyle fills out the rest of these open dates.  Say what you want about Gene Bleymaier.  When it came to scheduling, I thought he did a really good job, all things considered.  So now we are entering year two of the Mark Coyle era.  Time to get something done.  Put up or shut up.  You're not the "new AD" anymore.  No more excuses like the litany of them he had for the fans after scheduling UT Martin.  He basically said he had no idea how difficult it was to get decent teams to come to Boise.  Really?  He also stated that he couldn't believe how hard it was to get six home games lined up each season.  Are you kidding me?  What did you think you signed up for when you accepted the job?  Consider me very unimpressed up to this point.
Boise4Life
SinceMar 28, 2012
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Navy AD says Boise State "not worth it"

February 18, 2013 3:04 pm

Consider yourself owned geneh. You no longer get to join in the chastizing.
Hardly, my friend.
geneh_32
SinceDec 30, 2007
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Navy AD says Boise State "not worth it"

February 18, 2013 3:11 pm

Yes.  The stats do speak for themselves.  I just layed a bunch of them out as it relates to your conference and all signs point to your conference sucking, worst AQ conference in the BCS era.  Hell, even the Big Least is 8 and 7 all-time in BCS games.  As an ACC fan, you should be ashamed. 

You laid out a bunch of cherry picked bull. I'm far from ashamed. Let me give you a few cherry picked bull stats, if I may. Last year:

Florida State destroyed NIU, the highest ranking non-AQ in the BCS ranking. Oops.
No MWC team was even in the running for a BCS bowl. Oops.

Clemson beat LSU, something Boise has never done. Oops.

Virginia Tech, after going 6-6 during the regular season whipped Rutgers, who was 9-3 in the Russell Athletic Bowl. Oops.

Georgia Tech, as pitiful as they are, beat USC by 2 TDs in the Sun Bowl while Boise edged out 7-5 Washington by 2 pts, a lower bowl seed than USC. Oops.

The ACC won its top 4 bowl games. The MWC - well, it didn't fare so well. Boise is the only team to win a bowl game from the MWC. Oops.

You see that anyone can cherry pick some stats and make their conference look better than another. But the MWC doesn't even compare well with the ACC and only non-AQ fans would even consider that it does.

geneh_32
SinceDec 30, 2007
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Navy AD says Boise State "not worth it"

February 18, 2013 3:15 pm

Hey the feeling is mutual, Pal.  I couldn't care less about crappy North Carolina or the crappy conference they come from.  And I couldn't care less as to your opinions on Boise either.  But obviously you care enough about them to spend so much time on these forums mostly belittling their schedule and their highly ranked finishes in the polls year in and year out.  I don't think I've ever written a single post with the words "North Carolina" or "Tarheel" in it until today.  Know why?  Cuz North Carolina sucks.  No one cares about them!  And you can state over and over again that Boise was not a top 5 team in '06 and '09.  None of that matters because you're wrong.  They in fact, were top 5 teams in those seasons.  Your "opinion" on the matter doesn't amount to a hill of beans
That's quite a rant for somebody who doesn't care about my opinion. You are liable to post anything when you are angry. I'll give you a break and not pull your chain anymore today.

Enjoy your day.
geneh_32
SinceDec 30, 2007
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Navy AD says Boise State "not worth it"

February 18, 2013 3:19 pm

Still waiting to see how Mark Coyle fills out the rest of these open dates.  Say what you want about Gene Bleymaier.  When it came to scheduling, I thought he did a really good job, all things considered.  So now we are entering year two of the Mark Coyle era.  Time to get something done.
One reality you have to face though is you've become a victim of your own success.  It was easier for Gene to get some of these games than it will be for Mark based on your past success.  The really good teams don't want to schedule you because the risk of losing outweighs the rewards of winning and the mediocre teams don't want to schedule you because they know they are likely going to lose.  It will take a lot of doing on Coyle's part to avoid those games I mentioned earlier.  Boise gains very little by playing teams in the 30-60 range and even less in the 60-125 range, yet those will be the easiest to schedule, outside of paying FCS teams to come.  You guys have had success with getting slotted in the kickoff classic types of games and he probably needs to do all he can to try to make these happen.  They have done well for ESPN ratings wise, so it should be do-able.  

Outside of that you are probably going to have to go on the road if you want to play a top 30 team.  I know that is not ideal, but you have to offset the other teams risk of losing with some sort of tangible benefit.

 If Alabama or any other top 30 team goes to Boise we assume all the risk for less reward than what Boise would receive if they came to Tuscaloosa and won.  No offense, but asking Alabama to come to Boise would be like having to play Blackjack in a Casino where you bet $20 to win $5.  Yes, there is a reward for winning, but it pales in comparison to what you are risking.  If Boise comes to Tuscaloosa I am asking you to bet $20 to win $15...still not fair, I know, but fairer.  Due to conference affiliation, Boise needs to play the Alabamas of the world a lot more than the Alabamas of the world need to play Boise, assuming of course that the goal is getting to one of the 4 eventual playoff spots.
RollTide94
SinceNov 30, 2009
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Navy AD says Boise State "not worth it"

February 18, 2013 4:19 pm

Geneh reminds me of one of those bantam weight prize fighters who get their faces turned into pizza for 12 rounds, and then when the bell rings prance around with their hands in the air play acting like he won the fight.

B4L, my friend, no sense in worrying too much about our favorite bantam weight.  After all, this is a fellow who will start questioning your sexuality, like he did this weekend in another thread, or will start preaching Bible verses at you, start lamenting his poor health, or maybe come back as some other screen name so he can act like the reincarnation of diffendale.

He just declared that "SOS is everything"  I patiently demonstrated how that even the BCS only uses this statistic as a single factor in the computer rankings, which in turn only count for a third of the rankings.  Secondly, I  have tried to point out how this stat is inconsistent, calculated differently by every single expert who uses it, and measures things largely outside of an individual team's ability to control.

Now he prances around acting the fool, pontificating in his imaginary world of football that Boise's AD could solve the scheduling problem by simply picking up the phone and making a date.

RollTide correctly points out what many of us have been saying all along, many major programs want nothing to do with setting up a game with Boise, on any terms.  To them it's a lose-lose proposition.
Geneh looks at all of this uncomprehendingly, like a cow viewing a passing train.  Still you gotta love a guy like this, he can single handedly keep Boise threads at the top of the message board.  I think he is great.
smiles_id
SinceDec 13, 2006
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Navy AD says Boise State "not worth it"

February 18, 2013 5:09 pm

Geneh reminds me of one of those bantam weight prize fighters who get their faces turned into pizza for 12 rounds, and then when the bell rings prance around with their hands in the air play acting like he won the fight.

B4L, my friend, no sense in worrying too much about our favorite bantam weight.  After all, this is a fellow who will start questioning your sexuality, like he did this weekend in another thread, or will start preaching Bible verses at you, start lamenting his poor health, or maybe come back as some other screen name so he can act like the reincarnation of diffendale.

He just declared that "SOS is everything"  I patiently demonstrated how that even the BCS only uses this statistic as a single factor in the computer rankings, which in turn only count for a third of the rankings.  Secondly, I  have tried to point out how this stat is inconsistent, calculated differently by every single expert who uses it, and measures things largely outside of an individual team's ability to control.

Now he prances around acting the fool, pontificating in his imaginary world of football that Boise's AD could solve the scheduling problem by simply picking up the phone and making a date.

RollTide correctly points out what many of us have been saying all along, many major programs want nothing to do with setting up a game with Boise, on any terms.  To them it's a lose-lose proposition.
Geneh looks at all of this uncomprehendingly, like a cow viewing a passing train.  Still you gotta love a guy like this, he can single handedly keep Boise threads at the top of the message board.  I think he is great.
And Smiles checks in to chime in with his rant as well. It's rant day for Boise fans.
Not a bit of fact in yet another one of his posts. It's the usual line of crap.

You patiently made a moot point. You ignored my post and came up with a rant of your own as usual. Smiles, you are par for the course but this name calling belittles you even further than usual. Nevertheless, keep it up so everyone can see you for the harebrain that you are. 

SOS means absolutely nothing, does it not, Smiles? Nothing at all. Boise State can go undefeated with that miserable schedule and they should get a bid to the NCG, right Smiles?

Entitlements. Smiles feels Boise is entitled to be treated like the big boys. They don't have to beat anybody to earn it, they are just entitled. Okay, I'll buy that. Tobad the BCS bowl committees don't buy it. Those discrimating, horrible, nothing-knowing guys on those bowl committees ought to be taken out and hanged for passing up on Boise. It just isn't right. Boise is entitled, I tell you!
geneh_32
SinceDec 30, 2007
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Navy AD says Boise State "not worth it"

February 18, 2013 5:32 pm

What complete nonsense this Boise threads is.

Idaho is full of militants, survivalists, supremacists, and other whack jobs.

Is this trolling or childishness?
gloxidam
SinceFeb 16, 2013
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Navy AD says Boise State "not worth it"

February 18, 2013 6:24 pm

As far as you're concerned, I would say both - trolling and childishness.
Boise4Life
SinceMar 28, 2012
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Navy AD says Boise State "not worth it"

February 18, 2013 6:43 pm

Idaho is full of militants, survivalists, supremacists, and other whack jobs.
Where in the world did this come from? 

You're right, B4L, he is a childish troll. Unfortunately, we've got a lot more militants, survivalists, supremacists, and other whack jobs right here in Atlanta than they do in the entire state of Idaho, I'm sure.
geneh_32
SinceDec 30, 2007