Broncos reportedly interested in Derrelle Revis?

Welker was definitely NOT "going to be a Patriot no matter what". If that was true, the Pats would have just signed him and given up less. But yes, all trade scenarios are different, that much is true.

Well, the actual facts suggest he WOULD be a Patriot regardless of the trade.  Unless you were in Belichick's office when all this went down, you can't definitely say I'm wrong, no matter how hard you try.  (Really irks you, doesn't it..... You're need to prove me and others wrong, and yourself right is getting unhealthy.  Might want to get that checked out). 


Anyway, back to the REAL topic: What does anyone else think about the odds of Revis successfully returning from ACL injury?  History for CB's is against him, but the medicine of today has advanved further than in the past (even 10 years ago). If he's not traded, what does everyone else think the odds are of him hitting the FA market?  What kind of interest would he garner if he does?

   

Lol..walker. Nice try. You are wrong pretty much all the time when you aren't quoting a real source so i dont "need to try" to prove you wrong. You just are wrong as usual (see past arguements involving actual thought not cut-and-paste). You say the "facts" point to you being right? What facts? You think that the Pats giving up the extra pick proves they could have signed him anyway. A moronic 6 year old could see that isn't the case. Jeez, you try so hard. Unfortunately you are lacklng any common sense. You assume that Welker would have signed the offer and that he wasn't going to talk to any other team. If anything, the facts show that its most likely the Pats didn't want to take any chances and made a trade to ensure they got him.

And btw, it's not you "and others". Most people on this board and other boards know how to debate using logic and valid opinion. It's just you. Regurgitating articles of journalists' opinions as fact is not the way to debate. Unless you want to bore everyone to death.

I didn't assume anything.  That's essentially the case.  Welker was already leaning towards the Patriots before the transactions took place, and NE was prepared to make their RFA offer that would make Miami's ability to match difficult at best.  It's fact.  The Vikings were the other team in the mix, but didn't persue as aggressively as New England.  The Patriots were in the driver's seat on this one.


Now, why the trade?  Well, one of the main reasons was to avoid the back-and-forth associated with offer sheets.  The Vikings and Seahawks had a very ugly go of it shortly before.  Plus, the contract Welker signed, was slightly better for the NE organization than the offer containing the "poison pill".  Yes, it also eliminated any uncertainty, but that was a minor consideration at the time.  The main issue there lay in Miami matching the offer, and we already know it would have been very difficult for Miami to do so.  Not impossible, but very difficult.  Also fact.


So, to summarize, NE wanted Welker, and were the distant front runners for his services.  They were prepared to sign him to an offer.  They instead traded with Miami to eliminate the small possibility of a Dolphins match, but mainly to craft better contract terms with Welker, and avoid it becoming ugly.  So my evidence strongly backs up my statement, that Welker was pretty much going to end up in NE.  I see nothing from you besides your own "sage" opinion that Welker could have gone elsewhere.  Of course, your real intent is simply to troll.  That's cool though.  Right now you are being quite entertaining.  

At least you are getting half of it now. Took you long enough. So now, after all that you seem to understand that Welker was NOT "going to be a Patriot no matter what". See? All you had to do was listen in the 1st place instead of trying to deflect your lack of basic understanding just to argue. One thing you still can't grasp though. If the Patriots were confident that Welker was going to sign then he would have signed. You assume, as fact no less, that he would have signed and that he wouldnt have listened to another teams offer. Also, a poison pill would NOT have made it difficult for Miami to match, it would have made it impossible or simply not worth the money involved. A "poison pill" is designed for just that reason. Something like, "if Welker plays 4 or more games in Miami he's due a (insert absurd amount) bonus". So no, the main reson of the trade was likely not to avoid the "back and forth" because teams don't give up extra picks to rivals for such reasons. It's seems more likely, based on the events that they didn't want to miss out on Welker and gave the extra pick to ensure they would get him. To assume he was going to sign or that he was not going to listen to another teams offer and pass it off as fact is weak at best. Again, nice try though. Keep on googling! Lol.

Talk about entertaining. I did like your attempt at using the Seattle/Minnesota trade as some kind of point proven. Unfortunately, the case was settled in favor of the Vikings and the precedence was already set. There would have been zero issues and no "back and forth with offer sheets". Good try though.

That's a lot of writing.  Still waiting for a shred of anything besides your own personal opinion that shows Welker was likely going to go to a team other than the Patriots.....
















I won't hold my breath though......           

Hahahahahahaha. Awwww, you have to put words in my mouth now? Either that or you lack basic reading comprehension. You're so cute. Here's a tip JR. When you know you are wrong and don't have a clue what you are saying, just stop.

So, you HAVE no evidence to dispute the claim that Welker was essentially going to be a Patriot.   (again, your own opinion, doesn't count).  That's why you're arguing, ain't it?  You're just pounding a bunch a sand to make it SEEM like you know what you're talking about, when you don't.  You suggest he could have gone somewhere else, but again, not seeing you state any facts that support it.  Just your opinion (again).  Yes, I DID my research.  I presented the facts that research uncovered.  The sources I found included information from Welker's agent.  I wasn't trying to pass anything off.  Unless you think that it was only his agent's opinion, and not fact that I was using.  Oh, for shame!
 

Also, a poison pill would NOT have made it difficult for Miami to match, it would have made it impossible or simply not worth the money involved. A "poison pill" is designed for just that reason. Something like, "if Welker plays 4 or more games in Miami he's due a  (insert absurd amount) bonus".

So which is it?  Is it supposed to be impossible, like you start out saying, or is it possible but simply "not worth the money involved"?  You can't have it both ways.  It's gotta be one or the other.  Oh, that's right.  You don't really know what exactly was in the deal NE was planning to make.  You don't really know whether it would have been impossible or not for Miami to match.  You're just assuming, and then counting your assumption as fact.  Where's the evidence that shows it would be impossible for Miami to match?  
 
  

But, what amazes me most is with all this alleged NFL knowledge you act like you have, that not one single team has scooped you up to be their next GM.    Boggles the mind. 
    

Lol...damn. You can't even take good advice nor do you have any common sense. 1) He signs the offer and you give up a 2nd rounder. 2) You trade for him and give up more. So if he was "going to be a Patriot no matter what" why trade for him? The fact is, you can't even figure out what's plain as day. Your continuing to argue just proves how naive you are. Or it proves that you like looking stupid. And yes, from your knowledge level looking up, even someone with below average NFL knowledge should amaze you.

And btw, the smiley faces etc doesn't help your cause. Lol. Might as well wear a multicolored hat with a propeller on top while carrying a drool cup.

"Actually, Welker was going to be a Patriot, no matter what the Dolphins did.  The Dolphins used the situation to grab a little extra compensation for him, via the trade.  Had they not, New England was ready to submit an RFA offer that the Dolphins wouldn't be able to match". That's your moronic post. Now read on from there and try to keep up. Difficult, I know.

And you're arguing that I'm incorrect in my opinion.  Yet, while my evidence supports my statement, you've come up with precisely squat at to why I'm definitely wrong.  Here's another three posts from you, and still nothing cited as evidence that I'm wrong.  Just your opinion, and you're hilarious attempts at trolling.


Not to worry though.  You've provided enough entertainment for one day.   

You have given no evidence. In fact, you've argued full circle to the point that you are contradicting your 1st statement which says "New England was ready to submit an RFA offer that the Dolphins wouldn't be able to match". And you want me to offer proof of something you said yet now don't agree with? Lol. You have officially lost it. That's what happens when you argue just to argue and have no clue what you are even saying. Classic!

But seriously though, what evidence? LMAO! If you think I'm entertaining, I wish you could borrow someone's brain and read your own posts. You'll be laughing for weeks.

Hey hey hey everyone.  No need to fight.  We got Peyton Manning!  Go Broncos!

Lol...who's fighting? I'm just helping the kid with the learning disability.

No worries..... I'm $20 richer thanks to e-love

See what I mean? Lol.