Who will be the Big East's 12th team?

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Who will be the Big East's 12th team?

January 28, 2013 7:16 pm

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Who will be the Big East's 12th team?
 
geneh_32
SinceDec 30, 2007
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Who will be the Big East's 12th team?

January 28, 2013 7:29 pm

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OlyDuck
SinceJun 18, 2008
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Who will be the Big East's 12th team?

January 28, 2013 7:33 pm

I guess I should have put the option "Who cares" because it appears that very few do.  
geneh_32
SinceDec 30, 2007
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Who will be the Big East's 12th team?

January 28, 2013 8:09 pm

UMass needed to be a choice in this poll.  The Minutemen joined the MAC for football only, and some in the media say this is because UMass covets Big East membership.  I would not be surprised to see UMass in the Big East within the next couple years.  With a student enrollment of approx. 27,000, UMass would bring a decent sized alumni base to the BE.

Innermind
SinceJul 26, 2012
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Who will be the Big East's 12th team?

January 28, 2013 9:12 pm

Should be Southern Miss IMO.
GoldRusher
SinceOct 4, 2010
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Who will be the Big East's 12th team?

January 29, 2013 7:50 am

Southern Miss is a very small school with too small of a fanbase. They are stuck in CUSA.

I voted for Army. I figure Navy will help convince them to join and Army will not be able to complain about "too much competition" because there really isn't.
geneh_32
SinceDec 30, 2007
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Who will be the Big East's 12th team?

January 29, 2013 11:04 am

I figure Navy will help convince them to join and Army will not be able to complain about "too much competition" because there really isn't.

Even though the Big East will be "CUSA on steroids", it's still a stronger conference than the CUSA that Army left awhile back.

That said, I wouldn't mind seeing Army and Navy in the Big East. A lot of people belittle the service acadamies because they don't typically produce strong teams. However, they have very rich tradition, and a nationwide following. I don't know how lucrative the Armed Forces Network is, but it would be good exposure if the Big East could it.
tbrown00
SinceDec 10, 2007
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Who will be the Big East's 12th team?

January 29, 2013 11:07 am

Many of the teams on this poll don't really seem realistic, I haven't really seen anybody else talking about them at all.

My list of candidates, in no particular order:

  • Army
  • Northern Illinois
  • UMass
  • Tulsa
  • Southern Miss

Here's a wildcard, one that I've not heard anybody bring up, but who could probably do pretty well: Appalachian State


tbrown00
SinceDec 10, 2007
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Who will be the Big East's 12th team?

January 29, 2013 1:40 pm

Every time somebody from the media asks Appy State if they will move up to FBS eventually they say NO every time. Appy State does not want to move up.

geneh_32
SinceDec 30, 2007
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Who will be the Big East's 12th team?

January 29, 2013 1:43 pm

It could be anyone, but I'd prefer Tulsa or Army.
Witchan
SinceSep 29, 2011
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Who will be the Big East's 12th team?

January 29, 2013 2:07 pm

I'm in the camp of it doesn't matter who they get.  The Big East is no longer a viable football conference.  In bball, they've taken a large hit in losing UoL, WV, SU, Pitt and ND. 

It just doesn't matter who they get.  They are no longer worth a tv contract. 
jonvi
SinceMay 13, 2010
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Who will be the Big East's 12th team?

January 29, 2013 10:29 pm

I agree with the UMass thing. Geographically it makes sense. Plus it cements in that Boston Market.
CoolBeans
SinceAug 27, 2006
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Who will be the Big East's 12th team?

January 29, 2013 11:38 pm

Southern Miss is a very small school with too small of a fanbase.
Id still go with Southern Miss, its in the south east part of the country, college football (even lower levels) means something to people in the region, UMass and Boston area? The northeast in general for what the BE will now have to offer? Good luck.
GoldRusher
SinceOct 4, 2010
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Who will be the Big East's 12th team?

January 29, 2013 11:38 pm

I agree with the UMass thing. Geographically it makes sense. Plus it cements in that Boston Market.

when I look at your avatar, it looks like the player has a polo shirt on. look at the collar. 
The Iron Horse
SinceMay 10, 2009
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Who will be the Big East's 12th team?

January 30, 2013 12:39 am

Every time somebody from the media asks Appy State if they will move up to FBS eventually they say NO every time. Appy State does not want to move up.
geneh,

I would agree with you except the winds may be changing in Boone since Georgia Southern (1 of 3 App State's main rivals) announced it was in favor of making the switch.  The only thing Georgia Southern is waiting on is an invite from a conference.  Some other FCS schools that the Big East could look at are JMU and Liberty (laugh here).  JMU has already completed the second phase of its stadium expansion which brings the capacity around 30,000.  There is a third phase that could take place which caps the capacity around 45,000.  JMU primarily gets its students from northern VA, NJ, CT, and MA which could be a plus for the conference in exchange for having a school in VA.  It is no secret that Liberty wants to become the BYU or Notre Dame of the east and promote its affiliation with the Baptist church.  Also, it is no secret that Liberty wants to become a FBS school in football, so it could join as a football-only member.  Liberty has its own TV network (WTLU-TV), which may be appealing to the conference.  I don't believe Liberty would have been able to higher Turner Gill so easily and quickly if Liberty did not disclose the future plans to him.  I believe Liberty is in the process of doing some major rennovations to its athletic facilities, so it could definitely use the extra money to help pay for it.   The conference could also find Liberty appealing since it would give them a VA school.
vthokies1977
SinceSep 15, 2010
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Who will be the Big East's 12th team?

January 30, 2013 2:32 am

Yup...vthokies1977 is correct about Georgia Southern, Appalachian State, Liberty, and James Madison. If one does a little digging on the web pertaining to which FCS schools might soon move up to the FBS, those four schools get mentioned....along with two Texas schools---Lamar and Sam Houston State.

Remember, after the upcoming conference changes, the Sunbelt is going to be left with only eight remaining football members (Arkansas State, LA-Lafayette, LA-Monroe, South Alabama, Texas State, Georgia State, Troy, Western Kentucky).....so I would guess that at least two of those six schools mentioned above will get invites to the Sunbelt....and perhaps four invites if the Sunbelt wishes to create two divisions and hold a conference championship game.

Innermind
SinceJul 26, 2012
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Who will be the Big East's 12th team?

January 30, 2013 12:44 pm

Go with the Florida Schools.

If the Big East can somehow corral UCF, USF, FIU, and FAU it gives them that needed footprint in one of the big 3 college states.

They could parlay that presence in Florida into an identity of sorts.
It would take spending some marketing dollars in the state, but it is at least possible in theory.

Neither the SEC, nor the ACC, nor the Big East has ever tried to be the "Florida Conference."
California is the linchpin of the PAC-12.
Texas is the domain of the Big 12.
Florida never really seemed to be associated with a particular league.
Even the relatively new (2005) marriage of FSU and Miami seems disjointed.
It has always been more about the individual schools identity (Miami, FSU, Florida) than the league indentity.

The Big East has nothing to lose by aggressively taking their shot to be the "florida conference"


HornsStampede
SinceOct 23, 2006
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Who will be the Big East's 12th team?

January 30, 2013 1:41 pm

If the Big East can somehow corral UCF, USF, FIU, and FAU it gives them that needed footprint in one of the big 3 college states.

They could parlay that presence in Florida into an identity of sorts.
It would take spending some marketing dollars in the state, but it is at least possible in theory.

Neither the SEC, nor the ACC, nor the Big East has ever tried to be the "Florida Conference."
California is the linchpin of the PAC-12.
Texas is the domain of the Big 12.
Florida never really seemed to be associated with a particular league.
Even the relatively new (2005) marriage of FSU and Miami seems disjointed.
It has always been more about the individual schools identity (Miami, FSU, Florida) than the league indentity.

The Big East has nothing to lose by aggressively taking their shot to be the "florida conference"

According to this [http://www.orlandosentinel.com/spor
ts/os-mike-bianchi-ucf-usf-big-east
-0130-20130129,0,468952.column], the Big East already sees UCF and USF as being "critical" to the Big East.

You might be right about FIU. If we're willing to build up an FCS program like UMass, why not build up an existing FBS program? FIU would have to drastically improve their stadium - I suppose they could play games at the Orange Bowl or Joe Robbie Stadium if needed. I'm not really sure about adding both FIU and FAU.


tbrown00
SinceDec 10, 2007
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Who will be the Big East's 12th team?

January 30, 2013 11:33 pm

Yup...vthokies1977 is correct about Georgia Southern, Appalachian State, Liberty, and James Madison. If one does a little digging on the web pertaining to which FCS schools might soon move up to the FBS, those four schools get mentioned....along with two Texas schools---Lamar and Sam Houston State.

Remember, after the upcoming conference changes, the Sunbelt is going to be left with only eight remaining football members (Arkansas State, LA-Lafayette, LA-Monroe, South Alabama, Texas State, Georgia State, Troy, Western Kentucky).....so I would guess that at least two of those six schools mentioned above will get invites to the Sunbelt....and perhaps four invites if the Sunbelt wishes to create two divisions and hold a conference championship game.
I have heard Lamar and Sam Houston State's names mentioned too in addition to a few others (i.e. Delaware, Youngstown State, Florida A&M, etc).  I have also heard that there could be more non-football schools (i.e. AR-Little Rock which is a Sun Belt member now) could decide to start a footbal program with the goal of eventually moving to a FBS conference.  If there are enough FCS schools that want to switch subdivisions, then sooner or later at least one of them will try to challenge the FBS rule (that a FCS school must be invited by an existing FBS conference) in court.  If the schools win in court, then you could see a whole bunch of FBS Independent schools or schools switch and create a brand new FBS conference.  I have a feeling that Conference USA, MAC, MWC, and Sun Belt will find that a conference of 12-members is the most ideal.  If that turns out to be true, then you could see more schools leave to form a new conference while making sure that it added enough new members so the conference could earn an automatic bid to the NCAA basketball tournament (6 schools must play together in a conference for 5 years to qualify).  
vthokies1977
SinceSep 15, 2010
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Who will be the Big East's 12th team?

January 31, 2013 1:36 am

When UCF moved up to 1A in the mid-90s, they did so as an independent program. We were independent for a few years before getting our first conference invite. That rule must be a relatively new one.
tbrown00
SinceDec 10, 2007