NCAA Investigations

From what I read, Oregon didn't buy a player, they paid for a recruiting service which was used by other schools as well.  Huge difference.


If that is all they did then they would get the same thing LSU got, nothing.  

As for Emmert, Do you know for sure that he wouldn't stack the deck?  Especially keeping in mind the way that other investigations have gone under his watch.  Don't be naive.


As far as Emmert, do you know for sure that he would stack the deck?  You make great assumptions that people are willing to do all this but yet you have no proof all you have is paranoia.  

ya, the NCAA is capable of way worse than imprisoning people for crimes they didn't commit and killing innocent people.

but i'm the stupid one.

Never said that so yes you are still stuuuuupid. 

Thats not what got OU put on probation. What got OU put on probation back then, it was something else. I could be wrong but what i think got OU put on probation was Switzer gave a female Athlete Air fair to go home for Christmas and the NCAA found out about it. Thats when Switzer said he had enough of all these screwed up rules and quit.    

The NCAA arrived at OU in 1984 and they stayed for almost 4 years. 

Maybe it was a "coincidence" that they arrived right when they lost the Supreme Court case (NCAA vs. Oklahoma Board of Regents) ending the NCAA monopoly on TV negotiating rights. 

The NCAA says there was no connection, so it must be true.    

   

lol, it's ok, red. i'm not concerned about the opinion of a person who feels propriety in the NCAA is more important than propriety in the police and courts.

From what I read, Oregon didn't buy a player, they paid for a recruiting service which was used by other schools as well.  Huge difference.

If that is all they did then they would get the same thing LSU got, nothing. 

 

Oregon's problem is they paid above the standard recruiting service fee Lyles charged.  Which could be deemed "Bidding for a player"

That is what Oregon's potential problem is.  Thing is there isnt a defined rule against this, However it is known amongst recruiting staff and coaches that this is none-the-less a NO NO...

Be interesting to see what the NCAA decides....

If I were to give an unbiased prediction I would say loss of a handful or less of skollys for 2 years.. Probably 8 total.  Which is significant....

Oregon's problem is they paid above the standard recruiting service fee Lyles charged.  Which could be deemed "Bidding for a player"

That is what Oregon's potential problem is.  Thing is there isnt a defined rule against this, However it is known amongst recruiting staff and coaches that this is none-the-less a NO NO...

Be interesting to see what the NCAA decides....

If I were to give an unbiased prediction I would say loss of a handful or less of skollys for 2 years.. Probably 8 total.  Which is significant....

Oregon's other problem was when the NCAA asked for documentation of the services provided by Lyles, Oregon gave them some generic reports that were a year or so out of date.  I may be wrong on this one and I'm sure you will correct me if that is the case, but as I recall one of the guys listed on the report was dead. 

Ellupo

I find it very funny that you have tried so hard to defend NCAA in breaking the law; yet, you have bashed Joe Paterno on other threads and he himself did not break any laws. So which is it? What is your eternal motive? You put up the front of wanting facts...but you provide none. You make your words sound fair but you hold judgement for others who were not treated with fairness. So which is it? Are you for the law or against it? Truthly I just think you are a hypocrite and do not understand simple logic that is placed in front of you. Which is why you sit on the fence to make for a good discussion.

lol, it's ok, red. i'm not concerned about the opinion of a person who feels propriety in the NCAA is more important than propriety in the police and courts.

Didn't say that either....still stuuuuupid on your part. 

Ellupo

I find it very funny that you have tried so hard to defend NCAA in breaking the law; yet, you have bashed Joe Paterno on other threads and he himself did not break any laws.


Bama101--That's exactly why he's NOW supporting the NCAA.  Otherwise almost everything he said against PSU probably wouldn't hold water.  

Didn't say that either....still stuuuuupid on your part.

wow. ok, mr. lawyer wannabe, here is what u DID say:

no.  the agency that needs to be held to a higher standard is the NCAA because it is in fact NOT a law enforcement agency. 

this viewpoint is, in my opinion, idiotic beyond description. no further point in discussing this with a person who thinks that the NCAA should be held to a higher standard than law enforcement, it's abysmally stupid, and i won't waste any further time with someone who could possibly think it makes sense to think that way.

have a nice life.

wow. ok, mr. lawyer wannabe, here is what u DID say:

no.  the agency that needs to be held to a higher standard is the NCAA because it is in fact NOT a law enforcement agency.

FortheLilz--You'tre just too stuuuuuupid to get it.  You and I both know the NCAA is NOT a legal entity--pure and simple.  Got that?  As such, they are going to be under more scrutiny than our law enforcement agencies to make sure they are in fact breaking no laws.  They way I've understood the Miami case, that is what in fact the NCAA did--as they did something above the law or second guessed the law or God forbid didn't really take the law into consideration.  Every case they review they have to make sure the have dotted all the "i's" and crosssed all the "t's".  Again, they didn't do this with Miami.  So, any other case they have decided recently, the schools involved have every right to review/even re-open if said schools feel they were unjustly punished.  And here you have to be honest---USC, OSU, PSU even the upcoming Oregon issues, if the NCAA did tread near or close to real legal issues especially NOW after what is transpiring with Miami, then like I said they the NCAA have to be held to a higher standard. 

Oh and by the way have a nice life with your stuuuuupid retorts/rejoiners. And I hope you don't waste anymore time responding, you haven't provided an honest thought out response yet.   


  

From the urban dictionary-  Lulz


Lulz is the one good reason to do anything, from trolling to rape. After every action taken, you must make the epilogic dubious disclaimer:

• "I did it for the lulz".  

Nice choice of a screen name, eh?

I find it very funny that you have tried so hard to defend NCAA in breaking the law; yet, you have bashed Joe Paterno on other threads and he himself did not break any laws. So which is it? What is your eternal motive? You put up the front of wanting facts...but you provide none. You make your words sound fair but you hold judgement for others who were not treated with fairness. So which is it? Are you for the law or against it? Truthly I just think you are a hypocrite and do not understand simple logic that is placed in front of you. Which is why you sit on the fence to make for a good discussion.


I defend the NCAA because it seems that so many expect miracles from them.  They NCAA is only as good as the information they get and that usually comes from the university or someone who has a grudge. 

The NCAA did wrong yes and not one child was molested due to that so that is your answer to why I would defend the NCAA and not others.  As far as motive, none.  What I post on a site has no impact on the real world so no matter what my opinion is, it makes no difference in the big picture.  

What facts am I supposed to proved with regards to the NCAA or PSU?  Do you have facts, does anyone on these boards have facts that they did not read someplace else.  

Who am I holding judgement over?  JoePa? PSU fans?  I have stated, and maybe you should read my post, that I have an opinion about what happened, just like everyone else.  I also said that the reasoning that others have given why they believe different from me is plausable.  

Please expain why I am a hypocrite.  

By the way the NCAA is not law.  So asking for if I am for the law or not is different in these two cases.              

Otherwise almost everything he said against PSU probably wouldn't hold water.      



Tell me what I have said against PSU that does not hold water.  I will be waiting a long time for this.   

Tell me what I have said against PSU that does not hold water.  I will be waiting a long time for this.        


We hold this truth to be self evident--Jerry Sandusky was found guilty and should rot in jail the rest of his life.  Tell us what else you've said that is factual about what you said of the PSU issue....waiting....waiting....wait
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I defend the NCAA because it seems that so many expect miracles from them.  They NCAA is only as good as the information they get and that usually comes from the university or someone who has a grudge.

I don't think that anyone is expecting miracles from the NCAA. I think what people expect are fair, open and honest investigations and hearings. As well as consistency in sanctions.

In virtually every recent case, there have been plenty of legitimate reasons to question the NCAA's actions. If the NCAA is to hold sway over college athletics, then they should conduct themselves in a manner that lives up to the standards that they expect of the member institutions. In the USC, tOSU, PSU and now Miami cases the NCAA has given plenty of reason to have their actions called into question.

If once is an accident, twice is a coincidence and 3 times is a pattern.......what is 4 times?

The NCAA did wrong yes and not one child was molested due to that so that is your answer to why I would defend the NCAA and not others.

So, the NCAA did wrong and not one child was molested. What does that have to do with anything? The Bush family did wrong, Tressel and a few players at tOSU did wrong and some folks at Miami apparently did wrong and no children were molested at those places either. What does that have to do with whether or not the NCAA did wrong in their investigations, hearings and punishments?

Who am I holding judgement over?  JoePa? PSU fans?  I have stated, and maybe you should read my post, that I have an opinion about what happened, just like everyone else.  I also said that the reasoning that others have given why they believe different from me is plausable.  

Please expain why I am a hypocrite.

I have to agree with ellupo here. We have differing opinions on the PSU scandal, but every conversation that I've had with him on the subject has been nothing but civil. He acknowledges when valid points are made (even if he still disagrees). While he has his opinion based on the information currently available (as we all do) he also acknowledges that at this time, none of us truly have all of the information and many opinions will likely change on one side or the other, if and when the full truth finally comes out. Definitely cannot remember him getting into any personal attacks or anything over it.

We hold this truth to be self evident--Jerry Sandusky was found guilty and should rot in jail the rest of his life.  Tell us what else you've said that is factual about what you said of the PSU issue....waiting....waiting....wait

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Like I said you have nothing.  Just hot air. 

I defend the NCAA because it seems that so many expect miracles from them.

What miracles? People have grown to expect the worse from the NCAA because as of late that is all the NCAA have given the fans...it's worse. Poeple want fairness...not miracles. The NCAA hold others to a standard that they themselves lack the ability to follow. The NCAA image is not tarnished...it has been destroyed. And you are the only one defending them. 

They NCAA is only as good as the information they get pay for and that usually comes from the university or someone who has a grudge.

I fixed your statement for you. The NCAA is not innocent. Please stop making them out to be.

The NCAA did wrong yes and not one child was molested due to that so that is your answer to why I would defend the NCAA and not others.

PSU was an isolated event...or should I say tradedy. Nonetheless it does not have anything to do with anything. Breaking the law is still breaking the law. Joe did not break those laws but yet you still hold criticism toward him. At the same time you boost the good of the NCAA even when they themselves broke laws. Which laws are ok to be broken? You frown on some while cast a blind eye towards others.

What facts am I supposed to proved with regards to the NCAA or PSU?

That is not the point. I have read many...many of your post where you have asked for facts, evidence, proof if you will. Even when someone has made an attempt at providing proof you dont reconize it. No matter the source. My problem is not that you do not provide any proof of anything you say, or even that you do not feel you need to provide any proof...my problem is that you except others to provide it. Once again the word hypocrite comes to mind.

and maybe you should read my post

I have. This is not the first debate you and I have had :D

Please expain why I am a hypocrite.

I think I already have.

By the way the NCAA is not law. So asking for if I am for the law or not is different in these two cases.

I never said they were. However, in a way in college sports it actually is. It is the officiating deity between right and wrong is it not?