Thats not what got OU put on probation. What got OU put on probation back then, it was something else. I could be wrong but what i think got OU put on probation was Switzer gave a female Athlete Air fair to go home for Christmas and the NCAA found out about it. Thats when Switzer said he had enough of all these screwed up rules and quit.The NCAA arrived at OU in 1984 and they stayed for almost 4 years.
From what I read, Oregon didn't buy a player, they paid for a recruiting service which was used by other schools as well. Huge difference.
If that is all they did then they would get the same thing LSU got, nothing.
Oregon's problem is they paid above the standard recruiting service fee Lyles charged. Which could be deemed "Bidding for a player"Oregon's other problem was when the NCAA asked for documentation of the services provided by Lyles, Oregon gave them some generic reports that were a year or so out of date. I may be wrong on this one and I'm sure you will correct me if that is the case, but as I recall one of the guys listed on the report was dead.
That is what Oregon's potential problem is. Thing is there isnt a defined rule against this, However it is known amongst recruiting staff and coaches that this is none-the-less a NO NO...
Be interesting to see what the NCAA decides....
If I were to give an unbiased prediction I would say loss of a handful or less of skollys for 2 years.. Probably 8 total. Which is significant....
Didn't say that either....still stuuuuupid on your part.wow. ok, mr. lawyer wannabe, here is what u DID say:
no. the agency that needs to be held to a higher standard is the NCAA because it is in fact NOT a law enforcement agency.
no. the agency that needs to be held to a higher standard is the NCAA because it is in fact NOT a law enforcement agency.FortheLilz--You'tre just too stuuuuuupid to get it. You and I both know the NCAA is NOT a legal entity--pure and simple. Got that? As such, they are going to be under more scrutiny than our law enforcement agencies to make sure they are in fact breaking no laws. They way I've understood the Miami case, that is what in fact the NCAA did--as they did something above the law or second guessed the law or God forbid didn't really take the law into consideration. Every case they review they have to make sure the have dotted all the "i's" and crosssed all the "t's". Again, they didn't do this with Miami. So, any other case they have decided recently, the schools involved have every right to review/even re-open if said schools feel they were unjustly punished. And here you have to be honest---USC, OSU, PSU even the upcoming Oregon issues, if the NCAA did tread near or close to real legal issues especially NOW after what is transpiring with Miami, then like I said they the NCAA have to be held to a higher standard.
I defend the NCAA because it seems that so many expect miracles from them. They NCAA is only as good as the information they get and that usually comes from the university or someone who has a grudge.
The NCAA did wrong yes and not one child was molested due to that so that is your answer to why I would defend the NCAA and not others.
Who am I holding judgement over? JoePa? PSU fans? I have stated, and maybe you should read my post, that I have an opinion about what happened, just like everyone else. I also said that the reasoning that others have given why they believe different from me is plausable.
Please expain why I am a hypocrite.
I defend the NCAA because it seems that so many expect miracles from them.What miracles? People have grown to expect the worse from the NCAA because as of late that is all the NCAA have given the fans...it's worse. Poeple want fairness...not miracles. The NCAA hold others to a standard that they themselves lack the ability to follow. The NCAA image is not tarnished...it has been destroyed. And you are the only one defending them.
They NCAA is only as good as the information they get pay for and that usually comes from the university or someone who has a grudge.I fixed your statement for you. The NCAA is not innocent. Please stop making them out to be.
The NCAA did wrong yes and not one child was molested due to that so that is your answer to why I would defend the NCAA and not others.PSU was an isolated event...or should I say tradedy. Nonetheless it does not have anything to do with anything. Breaking the law is still breaking the law. Joe did not break those laws but yet you still hold criticism toward him. At the same time you boost the good of the NCAA even when they themselves broke laws. Which laws are ok to be broken? You frown on some while cast a blind eye towards others.
What facts am I supposed to proved with regards to the NCAA or PSU?That is not the point. I have read many...many of your post where you have asked for facts, evidence, proof if you will. Even when someone has made an attempt at providing proof you dont reconize it. No matter the source. My problem is not that you do not provide any proof of anything you say, or even that you do not feel you need to provide any proof...my problem is that you except others to provide it. Once again the word hypocrite comes to mind.
and maybe you should read my postI have. This is not the first debate you and I have had :D
Please expain why I am a hypocrite.I think I already have.
By the way the NCAA is not law. So asking for if I am for the law or not is different in these two cases.I never said they were. However, in a way in college sports it actually is. It is the officiating deity between right and wrong is it not?