Romo's Contract - what say ye...

That's perfectly fine and I can totally respect that.  Like I said before, my plan is that I want to go into rebuilding mode for 2-3 years.  I don't know how this draft is going to work, but I like a lot of the potential QB prospects that could fall into the second round.  We have Orton and with a couple years of experience learning the system and watching things, whoever that pick is should be ready to take over the team in a couple seasons.

During that time we can continue building consistency in our offensive line, getting our defense better situated with personnel to run the 4-3 and make the necessary moves in other areas of the team to progress forward (like if Austin continues to get hurt, move on from him, get a solid second TE).  And who says we can't be competitive during those two years?  For all we know the team still could perform well and surprise a lot of people despite not having Romo.

I understand where you're coming from and how awful those 5-11 seasons were, but honestly have we really accomplished anything greater by finishing 8-8 the past two years?  I feel like Romo is like the kicker who can't kick straight anymore, only he plays the QB position.  Once it's in your head, it's hard to get it out.

 Good quarterbacks in this league overcome the weaknesses on their team.

So Eli won a Superbowl by overcoming the weaknesses on his team? Because I'm pretty sure he didn't hold a record setting offense to 14 points.

FLACCO overcame weaknesses on his team? Because I'm prettyy sure that team was riding emotion with Ray Ray and Torrey.

Brady overcame weaknesses, when he had an amazing Oline during all of his superbowls, above average defenses at the very least, and a coach recording opposing teams practices.  

Aaron Rodgers overcame weaknesses? He had a great defense and is what, 5 deep at receiver???  Chad Clifton, Daryn Colledge, Scott Wells, Josh Sitton and Bryan Bulaga would all start on our team. 

Need I start on Big Ben? The best defense in the league every year they won, a great running game, and not too shabby of receivers.
 
Drew Brees is the only QB who is asked to do a ton on his team and delivers, but maybe he should be cut this year? Didn't he lead the league in INTs, that must mean he lost every game for his team. 

Now dont get it twisted, I never said these QB's arent good or Romo is better, but I will say that bad QB's can win with good teams, good QB's cant win with bad teams. History will show that. Get an Oline and we have a chance.  

There was no pressure faced because his opponent couldn't score.

His opponent couldn't score because the defense performed. Thats what you need during playoff time. Ask the Giants, who never had to score more than, what, 17? to win a post season game in their super bowl runs.       

So Romo has never gotten any help from any part of the team in his life, right?  It's just ridiculous to make excuse after excuse for this guy.  If the defense gets fixed one year, it's the offensive line's fault he didn't do well.  If the receiving is excellent, it's the defense's fault.  If the running game is working great, it's the recievers fault.

There's always some excuse for Romo and the one constant is he doesn't perform regardless of what the rest of the team is doing.  He is a good regular season quarterback who isn't capable of leading a team to a Super Bowl unless he's got everything perfect.

FLACCO overcame weaknesses on his team? Because I'm prettyy sure that team was riding emotion with Ray Ray and Torrey.

Let's compare Romo and Flacco:

Flacco played a solid game and didn't turn the ball over while facing arguably the best defense in the NFL.  He also escaped pressure multiple times and got some incredible throws off to his recievers so they could make plays. 

Tony Romo played a medicore at best defense in week 17, turned the ball over multiple times and we're going to use the excuse to blame the offensive line and the defense that gave up less points than the Ravens did in the Super Bowl.

I don't buy that.

I say offer him a 3 year deal.

I say offer him a 3 year deal. 

Oh come on!!!!  Lock him up for the rest of his failure, I mean career.

Revan Wrote:

No, it lets you know that Romo is not worth 17 million....I read your arguments, thought about them, and decided I would rather wait and see how this plays out before a decision is made about an extension.


Not an Option...which was the point all along.  You can "SAY" anything you like.  But PRACTICAL REALITY rules what must happen. 

DaMilkman22 Wrote:

Can't recall the year,but didn't Romo have an all-pro offensive....(Andre Gourde,Leonard Davis,and Marc Columbo)...This offesive line got us to 13-3..hme field and a bye week...how did that year end??

....Romo throws a pick in endzone we lose to Giants,they win Super Bowl and we make excuses for Romo.....Let him leave after this year,We can't finish no worse than 8-8... for hell sakes quit making excuses for him!!!


Try reading the Board buddy.  I posted about this playoff game.  Any idiot who blames that Giant game on Tony Romo is just that.....   

  

Sure, Romo through a pick, but WR's drops balls, especially a FOR SURE TD that would have not even got us to that point.

Revan Wrote: 
 
You are giving Romo a free pass....if Crayton doesn't get a pass for dropping the ball then Romo shouldn't get a pass for thowing the int.


If Romo was playing amazing and his team was letting him down in these win or go home games then you guys would have a point, but the fact of the matter is that Romo hasn't.  It is a team sport, but you can't ignore the fact that Romo has been one of the reasons for the Cowboys lack of playoff success.


See! this is the Bullshit**** Im talking about with Cowboy fans. You guys are totally delusional and clearly either dont watch Cowboy football or have no memory of the games whatsoever.  You simply SAY THINGs that   seem to fit.

Romo got the team BACK! in position to win the game after others screwed our chances at a win.  He almost brought of a ALL TIME comeback with no time on the clock......as he did in a few games that season......and with no time outs had a shot at the endzone  -- 16 seconds left.    

This guy Revan posts...."he doesnt get a pass".   Utterly Ridiculous in my estimation.


Either HE  is NUTS   or I am.  You guys can choose for yourselves.    

Well sunny....if "you read the board"....you will see I was talking about the 13-3 season in which Romo through a pick in the endzone to lose the game! So who do you blame (insert excuses Oline?Defense?Coaches?......cuz we've been through 3 of them in Romo's tenure)...and the original post was about his re-up and to that I say hell no...dude will never lead us to promise land....and as far as the "childish" idiotic name calling I'll give ya a pass like we do Romo!!

Im convinced most of you here dont understand football.   I really am.  


Some of the arguments you guys present about what Romo did or did not do while comparing him to QB's who are not even asked to do what Romo is asked to do is telling enough about your knowledge base. 

Team personnel and Schemes often has everything to do with the type of numbers a qb will end up with and even his success rates and its obvious most of you have little grasp of this.

But to see you guys so dismissively bat these realities away, merely to get back to your arguments that...."Romo can't get it done"  really speaks volumns about your knowledge base of the nuances of game.  



There is an article now from Bryan Broaddus on Dallas Cowboys.com about Garretts press conference. Its discussing the offensive philosophy of Bill Callahan and what differences this might mean for the Cowboys.

.....well i dont know why he bothers to care. Obviously from the arguments we've seen from many of you on these boards....it does not matter WHAT his philosophy is.  If Romo is at the helm, the Cowboys cannot win.   

Its Obviously a mistake whenever we even get out of a GAME with a win, much less compete for a Championship. 


I post that in jest, because I'd bet everything Im worth that many of you THINK just like that.


I've said 100 times on these boards that coaching matters.

For a person to say how a team attacks an opponet has nothing to do with the outcome of the game......I THINK.....even to most of you....would be FOOLISH.

Well extrapolate that feeling............that 'IT'S FOOLISH'.......accross many of your arguments about Romo.


To try to get a bit deeper into what I mean.....ITS ABOUT WINNING FOOTBALL.


The OFFENSE  and style of Defense can "not mesh"....... to cause a team to lose more than it win.



Example: the Tampa 2.     This is a defense designed to force teams you play against to be patient and consistent.  

          Are all offensive teams this? - patient? consistent?                   DO some play more for the big play?  

Would a Tampa 2 team with sound solid players have a better shot at slowing an offense that plays for the big play?   

      Might a straight man team give up more big plays?       What effect would this then have on the Tampa team's OFFENSE?     Any? 

  If the game is shortened because the defense forces the offense to play closer to the vest and thus score less points.....would Tampa...having a good offense likely have a better chance to win if it does its avg? 


Well who the hell knows based on how YOU people seem to think about football!?!?!


NONE OF ANY OF THAT MATTERS.  Its the QB of course.   THATS! the answer.   If the QB is ROMO    no matter what....you lose the game.

If Romo scores 40 points......and the Defense gives up 42......ROMO is to blame.  Clearly.

And if the Defense in that same game holds the team to 39 because the Kicker missed a field goal  ~ DOESNT MATTER     We STILL LOSE!   Romo was the Quarterback!

You people make me sick.



The strength of the arguments you give really hold no water.  

Its why about  32 of 32 NFL GMs would not take any of these arguments seriously you present to get rid of Romo.  NONE.


FOOTBALL IS A TEAM SPORT    (  2342nd time ) 


The Right calls at the Right time can win you football games.  

Romo's numbers stack up against most of the best of them who've ever won Super Bowls.   This happens to be an inarguable fact.  

The Rest is the Coaching Staff then putting his team in a position to win. 
  


I wrote this earlier about Rich Gannon. 

I posted how Gannon did his best work at 35-38 after Callahan became his Coordinator.  He had an ALL PRO season after 36.   This is OBVIOUSLY not possible based on what many of my so called fellow Cowboy Fans argue. 

Gannon could not possibly have won an AFC Title.....he was Garbage.  

                  The answer I got back was  "Gannon did not win the Super Bowl"   


You see..the POINT was lost on the person posting    ~  The POINT was........Callahan made a difference.   

I point this out...NOT because Callahan is now the play caller....but because....HE.....INDEED.......MADE
A DIFFERENCE in Gannons performance and career.

Had Gannon had Callahan or someone equivilent or better, might he have had more All-Pro Seasons?  Super Bowls?

Was NO ONE better than Callahan?    Doesn't it matter?  
 

Many other things play into winning football.    

RUSHING ATTACK.      not just yards or even yards per carry.....but WHEN can you get those yards?    HOW do you attack? 
                Can you hold the ball with that attack?                  Can you get 2.5 yards when you need it?        

  Catches per Target.     do your guys catch the ball at crunch time?      do they get 1st downs when needed with extra fight.

Game Time Coaching.    Does the Coach mismanage the time forcing a 54 yard field goal, or a last min TD drive with no timeouts, ending in a Interception that Cowboy fans can then go apeshit**** over and certainly blame their Quarterback?


                If you understand the game of football, you understand WHY it is America's number 1 sport.   

Its WAR.          It requires strategic decision making and tactical manuevers.   Wrong Decisions within the game cause losses.   



You don't replace the engine of your tank because the  Treads came off when your navigator drove you into a mud pit.     

Like my characterization or not.....this is what many of you without knowing are advocating.                    
         
......Ur making a call off Gut.  But you want YOUR Gut feeling about a part of our team to prompt a decision.  

  A decision just as silly as taking that engine out of that tank because of a skipped trac in the mud.....                                                          

DaMilkman22 posts:

Well sunny....if "you read the board"....you will see I was talking about the 13-3 season in which Romo through a pick in the endzone to lose the game!


OH! I know the game well.  And if Yoooooooooou think that's what happen in that game....that says it all buddy.   
  

Sunnybono is the all mighty and undesputed intellecutal football guru being on earth.  All bow to him and his football knowledge because he is superior to all beings!

Yeah and you believe it just ask him..he'll give you one of his 16 paragraph reason's why he's Sonny Legend!!!....Maybe its Romo with a alais!!

I understand the contract issue and we need to sign Romo in order to have a shot at Spencer or others pieces to the puzzle and stay withiin cap.  He's going to be with us for a few years like him or not.  I was keeping an eye on Orton during camp about his position and at first he was in the grey but later into camp announced Romo is his boy and he will do what it takes to be a back-up.  But he didnt start with that talk.

All I want, but it wont happen with a contract, is comp at camp for Romo.  Most think that there is no way Orton could lead more than Romo but we have a bit of history.

The argument is Romo is mobile and bc of that reason, he wins games.   I do recall Kitna playing one hell of 6 games as a qb that's not considered mobile.  I remember looking at Romo's 6 games and Kitna's 6 games the same year and across the board, the stats were similar.  Same missing link line and Kitna....yeah Kitna made it happen.

So, who else is out there?  Plenty who could lead.  Who can the Cowboys afford?  Romo

As for the Redskins game...Romo needed to be the same Romo he was 6 games before but the butterflies hit and he missed badly.
Now how does that pump of the rest of the team?  Put up a few scores or drive hard on those two ints and the players get pumped and play like never before. 

Romo could have had this team.  They could have all looked up to him and stated we are ready next year bc we believe.
But the vets will still have that tiny something...like Romo has floating in his head, of Doubt.

I will reason that the players for the skins have much more confidence in RG3 than the players on the Cowboys for Romo.

Hell, even Witten was all up in his face.

With that said, Romo could lead us bc of those stats like Brady, Breez, & Rodgers has but patterns baby patterns.

I just believe Romo has what Vanderjerk had/has and kickers all get after a few misses.  That tiny morsal of DOUBT.

Exactly Life....We know we're stuck with him..don't mean we have to play him....let Orton/Kitna play and put his azz on the bench...and draft a Q.B.,do something to make him accountable 6 years 3 head coaches countless pro bowl players around him and he's still making the same stupid mistakes!!

DaMilkman22 Writes:
 
Exactly Life....We know we're stuck with him..don't mean we have to play him....let Orton/Kitna play and put his azz on the bench

See what I mean sports fans? 

Some of you will........I rest my case


for those of you who don't.....there is no point anyway.        
 

Cajungmac....just won't do. 

The Team has ZERO leverage. 

People just dont get it.    Once you get your franchise guy....he's like a Partner on your team until you decide to move on....we have not and won't.


Its funny how many people when we were madly discussing politics who were soooo far from the right dont seem to understand "THE MARKET"

The Market for a Franchise QB is 5, 6, and 7 year deals.   The Start is about 10 million per year going up to 20+.


3 years 30 to 60 million?       

Well he ain't takin 10 while due 17.

NONE of you including ME would want to pay 20 million a year....RIGHT? 

I here, and then later 2 other publications on Cowboy Sites peg Romo for 13 to 15.   I said  14.4 million.  with a 17.5 to 20 mil signing bonus will be due.

Romo has ZERO incentive to take a 3 year 42.0 million dollar deal.  What? You want More Signing Bonus?

Fiscally and Practically it makes no sense for him to do so.    

Romo would be FINE to play for the 17.  NO DOUBT!    

  He would be due a PAY DAY from about 20 other teams in the NFL in 14 and would easily get 5 years 85 million with 40+ million in guarantees on the open market.   

Romo will actually be taking about a 10 to 15 million dollar cut to stay with the Cowboys if they bawk at a long term deal now.


Sure...you guys dont appreciate Romo.  about 22 other GM's in the NFL Would.    

        

              

i am just tired of romo being put in these situations.  why cant the Cowboys build a lead and just run the in the second half.  instead of winning by less than a touchdown or losing by 3 points.  romo has a great game but we win by a last second field goal.  how many times did that happen?  shoot i would even take a game that is 60% pass and 40% run, but that has never happened either.  sign him or dont sign him dont put the quarterback in those situations, cause it is going to be 50/50 when he comes through.

somebody compared the year that kitna came in to take the place of romo in 2010 season.  if you look at the stats kitna was asked to throw it only 30 times a game that season.  romo was asked to throw it 36 times and 70% completion, kitna was 65% there was a little drop off there.

smudu...ur exactly right.  That's what I mean when I speak on Game Management and scheme.  You do DUMB THINGS putting your QB in BAD SITUATIONS...then when he fails about about the same rate as anyone put in those bad situations you attack HIM.

But if you dont really watch football with this kind of view...you just dont care.  You only have your bottom line......He lost. 

Romo would have been ALL PRO 2 years ago if Rogers had not had such a Super Year.