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I have no proof of this. I am not claiming to know how we began.

So you have faith that there is a natural explanation for the world around us, but you don't know what it is.  How is your faith in this different from my faith that God did it?  Do you not see how your beliefs are no different from the religious except fo the specifics?


You have faith just like I do, welcome to the religious kook club! :)

Wrong.

Marriage is between two people.  DOMA was the law change that specified that marriage was "between one man and one woman."  All subsequent state laws that have adopted same-sex marriages have done so based on their state constitutions, that define marriage between two people.
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No, ADR is wrong, in western civilization marriage has always been defined as between a man and a woman, only recently have some malicious idiots tried to promote their own political agenda's by changing it. Doma, was teh DEFENSE of marriage act and was approved to DEFEND the traditional marriage definition. Anyone who tells you differently is a revisionist idiot.

Pittsteel - Is a classic example of a person thinking they are superior to anybody who doesn't think or feel how they do. He in turn feels its ok to then judge, label, and abuse , those with different thoughts and feelings. He is at his core a prime example of a bigot and feels he's right in doing so because everybody should think and feel like him, AND DAMN THEM IF THEY DON'T! Yep he is a classic nazi or clans man which isn't much different than your average liberal today.

Pittsteel - Is a classic example of a person thinking they are superior to anybody who doesn't think or feel how they do. He in turn feels its ok to then judge, label, and abuse , those with different thoughts and feelings. He is at his core a prime example of a bigot and feels he's right in doing so because everybody should think and feel like him, AND DAMN THEM IF THEY DON'T!

He uses these tactics because deep down he knows he's no different than the religious nuts that he shouts at.  It is the manifestation of cognitive dissonance.

 How is your faith in this different from my faith that God did it? 

Because it doesn't hinge on the supernatural. A ghost. That's how. If I had never been exposed to the religious aspect, it would never have occurred to me that a ghost invented the universe. Newborns are atheists. It is not until they are exposed to religion (typically by their parents, while they are young, impressionable and imaginative) that they begin to believe the fairy tales. 

I have no proof of this. I am not claiming to know how we began. You are. 

When did I say I have proof? When have I said that science was wrong?  I don't have a clue as to how we began or how the world works. I don't really care.  I was simply pointing out that not everyone in the world of science agrees on everything that is scientific.  You keep saying that there is scientific proof for this and that.  That people who believe in whatever God are idiots.  Evolution does not give us anymore proof than a person who believes is god does.  That is the point.  You can sit here and say prove to me that god exists and nobody can do it.  But they can say the same thing to you, prove to them that evolution is real. Could you prove it? I don't care personally who is right and who is wrong.  I think people have the right to believe whatever they want.  Since I believe that I will never call them an idiot for believing whatever they believe.

No, ADR is wrong, in western civilization marriage has always been defined as between a man and a woman, only recently have some malicious idiots tried to promote their own political agenda's by changing it. Doma, was teh DEFENSE of marriage act and was approved to DEFEND the traditional marriage definition. Anyone who tells you differently is a revisionist idiot.

Where was the act to "defend" marriage from drive thru ceremonies in Vegas? Marriage does not need any defense it only bigoted minded people who feel the need to discriminate that want DOMA. An act which is not within the FEDS power to implement and is un-Constitutional. Marriage is LEGAL contract between two people. Unless you can come with a legit argument absent of any religious reasoning DOMA holds no water. 

When did I say I have proof? When have I said that science was wrong?  I don't have a clue as to how we began or how the world works. I don't really care.  I was simply pointing out that not everyone in the world of science agrees on everything that is scientific.  You keep saying that there is scientific proof for this and that.  That people who believe in whatever God are idiots.  Evolution does not give us anymore proof than a person who believes is god does.  That is the point.  You can sit here and say prove to me that god exists and nobody can do it.  But they can say the same thing to you, prove to them that evolution is real. Could you prove it? I don't care personally who is right and who is wrong.  I think people have the right to believe whatever they want.  Since I believe that I will never call them an idiot for believing whatever they believe.

There is mountains of data supporting Evolution. No one is saying Evolution is how life began. There is NO physical evidence a God exists, but I would not say that proves one does not. 

Pittsteel - Is a classic example of a person thinking they are superior to anybody who doesn't think or feel how they do.

Nope. I just don't believe in the supernatural and I treat those who do accordingly. If it makes you feel inferior, that is a YOU problem. 

He in turn feels its ok to then judge, label, and abuse , those with different thoughts and feelings.

I am not abusing anyone. I am simply pointing out that a ghost story is simply that. If you feel abused by logic, then that is a YOU problem. 

He is at his core a prime example of a bigot and feels he's right in doing so because everybody should think and feel like him, AND DAMN THEM IF THEY DON'T!

You couldn't be more wrong here. I have not once tried to convert you to my way of thinking. I can't damn anybody. The fact that I laugh at your belief in a ghost isn't really a big deal. If I believed that unicorns existed and would redeem me for all my wrongdoings I would expect to be laughed at by logical people as well. There is no discernable difference. 

I am in no way saying you should think and feel like me, however I would like to see the world rid of the hatred and murder and genocide and rape theocratic facism that the religious (all of them, not just christians, you aren't special) has promoted for centuries.

Yep he is a classic nazi or clans man which isn't much different than your average liberal today. 

And of course, you can't even make a simple comparison without going way overboard and then additionally lumping all liberals in to your ridiculousness. I am quite sure that there are "liberals" out there who are believers, but you have Glen Beck ringing in your ears, so you can't understand much more than "Liberal bad!" 


And by the way, how did you continue to believe after seeing your first fossil?  

 I don't have a clue as to how we began or how the world works. I don't really care. 

But would you have ever thought up a ghost story to explain it if you hadn't been told that story as truth when you were young? 

 

Evolution does not give us anymore proof than a person who believes is god does.

Agreed, but it does eliminate the supernatural from the equation, which is much more likely than not, wouldn't you agree?

 

Since I believe that I will never call them an idiot for believing whatever they believe.

I haven't said they were idiots. I have said they were hoodwinked in to believing a fairy tale. That doesn't make them idiots, it makes them illogical. To a fault. Add to that the complete glossing over of all the bad that religion has brought to the world in the past and they are more delusional. It doesn't mean that they lack intellect. They lack perspective due to the brainwashing that has occurred globally for centuries. 


 

Where was the act to "defend" marriage from drive thru ceremonies in Vegas?
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Vegas marriages were not being used as a political tool to attempt to redefine marriage, no defense needed from that.
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Marriage does not need any defense it only bigoted minded people who feel the need to discriminate that want DOMA.
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In your idiotic opinion, which is worthless, since you have already demonstrated you'll kill you own just for connvienience.
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An act which is not within the FEDS power to implement and is un-Constitutional.
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Oh, too bad, it's still on the books, try again.
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Marriage is LEGAL contract between two people.
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Nope, that's the Libtard REDEFINITION, sorry, try again.
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Unless you can come with a legit argument absent of any religious reasoning DOMA holds no water. 
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I have already done so. It is about Societal Models.

Because it doesn't hinge on the supernatural.

But it isn't scientific...you have no definitive evidence of a our world/universe being created naturally just like I have no definitive evidence that God did it.  You can think they are different all you want, but they aren't.


Newborns are atheists


So you are a mind reader as well?  You have no business mocking another person's beliefs.

Evolution does not give us anymore proof than a person who believes is god does.


Agreed, but it does eliminate the supernatural from the equation

Since, by your admission, evolution does not give us anymore proof than a person who believes in God then it does NOT eliminate the supernatural from the equation.  How can absence of evidence rule anything out?

Newborns are atheists


So you are a mind reader as well?  You have no business mocking another person's beliefs.

How am I mocking a belief by stating a fact that newborns, who have had zero exposure to religious bias, don't have a belief in god? If they do, which god is it? And why, in overwhelming numbers, do people who are raised in a certain region become, in overwhelming numbers, believers in the religion of that region? Do you think it is possible for a newborn to choose religions on day one? How do they know the difference between your christian god and Allah? 


And can you prove that Allah doesn't exist?  

In your idiotic opinion, which is worthless, since you have already demonstrated you'll kill you own just for connvienience.

What an internet tough guy you attempt to be. Who do you think you are to judge people you have never met? You are an ignorant pathetic little man. 

What is YOUR definitnion of marriage?  

I have already done so. It is about Societal Models. 

The Constitution does not grant you or the govt. the right to dictate a persons values. If there is no harm being done to another person then you cannot justify the law period. You are going to be pissed in June when the SCOTUS throws DOMA in the trash. 

And can you prove that Allah doesn't exist?  

There's as much proof that he doesn't exist as there is the same proof that the Greek Gods don't sit up on Mount Olympus hurtling lightning bolts at people they don't like or all the thousands of Hindu Gods. Difference is this is the book they grew up on and is true because it is what they were exposed to.

Evolution should not be used in a comparsion when talking about God. Evolution is not about HOW life begin, but how life continues to evolve to adapt to the environment. 

Since, by your admission, evolution does not give us anymore proof than a person who believes in God then it does NOT eliminate the supernatural from the equation.  How can absence of evidence rule anything out?

If you could point to one instance of the supernatural being empirically evident anywhere on the planet, then you would have a point. Truth is that you cannot do so, because the supernatural does not exist. It is in your head, and in the imagination of humans everywhere, but cannot be shown to exist.

Logical people have deduced that there is cause and effect. The simplest form of biology shows that an egg gets fertilized by a sperm and that causes life. There is no miracle, there is no magic, it just IS. It happens millions of times every year, and people are not born without it happening. A virgin birth is a fable, nothing more. 

There's as much proof that he doesn't exist as there is the same proof that the Greek Gods don't sit up on Mount Olympus hurtling lightning bolts at people they don't like or all the thousands of Hindu Gods. Difference is this is the book they grew up on and is true because it is what they were exposed to.

Bingo. Which is the same truth for christianity or any other religion. 

Evolution should not be used in a comparsion when talking about God. Evolution is not about HOW life begin, but how life continues to evolve to adapt to the environment. 

Now we are getting somewhere.