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I think thats the whole point.  He is a great player.  Why is it jock riding to appreciate Lebrons game but not when you appreciate  Jordan, Magic, Kobe etc?

If you were around this board 4-5 years ago you'd know I said the same thing about Kobe...

He's not really a once in a generation player league wide. He's a superstar. A once in a generation player is Jordan, Shaq, James, and maybe Magic and Bird in the modern era. 

I definitely agree.  Kobe did/will not surpass Jordans legacy.  He is the most successful Jordan clone to this point.  He has shown us nothing new.  Lebron has taken the passing skill of Magic, the power of Karl Malone/Charles Barkley, the speed and handles of any great point guard and packaged it all in one person.  Did I leave out scoring ability?  Thats something that has never been done before.  If there has been i am drawing a blank.

If you were around this board 4-5 years ago you'd know I said the same thing about Kobe...



'sides, i never saw THIS much LeClown nuthugging 'til he joined the Heat. coincidence...? 



















CL67

If you were around this board 4-5 years ago you'd know I said the same thing about Kobe...

I was around.  I just dont try and remember everything everyone says.  However, my question still stands.  Why is it jock riding to appreciate a players game?  I consider jock riding to be someone that is oblivious to their chosen idols faults and aggressively defend his honor to the point of calling someone a moron for pointing it out.

I think anyone who is making this about how people should not give LeBron all of this attention because he's just another superstar are flat out being disingenous. LeBron is by far the best player in the game today, and it's not even that close.

The only players who have production that can stack up to his in recent memory is Jordan and Shaq. So, Magic and Bird and Kobe were great, but this thread was created to appreciate that Lebron is performing in a super elite category, and the other stuff is a tactic to divert attention from the point. Just appreciate.

I guess we disagree on that one.  Those teams sucked so bad that I really cant remember any other players on those teams that had any significance.  They actually remind me of the Laker teams after Shaq left.  The differnce is Lebron actually took his team to the Finals while Kobe could not get out of the first round.

that is why kobess is just like tmac, carter or even melo at this point. iverson at least took philly to the finals. lebron brought the cavs to the finals and deep into the playoffs. if any the 5 championships by virtue belong to the top big men shaq and gasol. there is reason why gasol feels slighted about the fakers trying to shop him around.

'sides, i never saw THIS much LeClown nuthugging 'til he joined the Heat. coincidence...? 

Definitely not a coincidence.  I personally was impressed when I saw him play in high school.  His game has progressively gotten better since he has joined the Heat. I did not think he would be as good as he is now but whats scary is that he is getting better every year.

Lakers fans and Cane are destroying a nice thread....Shocking I know

Lakers fans and Cane are destroying ENHANCING a nice tired thread....Shocking I know



what can i say, punchline? consider it a service to this board... 


















CL67

Lakers fans and Cane are destroying a nice thread....Shocking I know

It wouldnt be fun if everyone agreed.  What would be better is if someone could logically present opinions as to why Lebron is not the best player in the game today and the most skilled to ever hit the NBA.

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fans and Cane are destroying a nice thread....Shocking I know

It wouldnt be fun if everyone agreed.  What would be better is if someone could logically present opinions as to why Lebron is not the best player in the game today and the most skilled to ever hit the NBA

The thread was dead on arrival with a topic built on fantasy - Howard is a good player, but there are other good players in the NBA and just like Lebron some of them are in the top ten in certain areas where they excel and in other areas they aren't. If you don't want your threads trashed every time you start one - several things must happen


1.  Don't start one on fantasies - Calling Lebron the best in the NBA and a once in a generation type player is the biggest fantasy ever


2.  Try to not trash the threads of others - payback around is really a lot of fun - that comes back to the respect issues we have discussed         

1.  Don't start one on fantasies - Calling Lebron the best in the NBA and a once in a generation type player is the biggest fantasy ever

  LeBron will most likely go down as a top 5 non-center of all-time (probably higher).  That is absolutely a once in a generation player.

^^^TLF 

You still haven't explained to anyone how LeBron isn't the best in the NBA today or how he isn't a once in a generation type player. You just keep denying it and calling everyone stupid. And yet you have yet to actually put together an argument to support yourself.


and to wlkwlk

Hockey...again, I agree Lebron is the best in the game...my opinion for the last 3, but that is debatable:.. His FG % is skewed...you claim he has a better percentage and I agree BUT it is shot selection...if you are attempting to say Lebron is a better shooter than Kobe than you have no right to call out TLF...

yes i agree a large part of it is due to shot selection. But why should that just be ignored in the grand scheme of things? LeBron should be rewarded for not taking bad shots, not criticized. Im not necessarily saying LeBron is a better shooter. But you said that only 10% of LeBron's shots come from the perimeter when in fact it is closer to 60%. And my point is he is shooting efficiently from that range and has been for quite a while now. 




 

those same suckas weren't around to watch Kobe AND Shaq win the trifecta or Kobe AND Pau team up to win back to back.....

What do you mean? Some of those titles were like 3 years ago, not exactly ages ago.

until Lebron keeps backing up his titles claim, he's a one-horse winner in this race

He will win this year barring injury. As impressive as he was last year, he is even better this year.

until Lebron consistently puts the team on his back, in crunch time most important, and rides them to improbable W's, he's a one-horse winner

See last year when he put the team on his back, came up in the clutch, and rode his team to improbable Ws.

what Kobe is doing at 34 yrs of age, with his unending yearning to win a 6th rings, we'll see in about 7 years if Lebron will have reached # of rings or even be producing as Kobe has...

His team isn't even in the playoffs right now, and Duncan is probably playing better right now and he is 36 I believe. Lebron doesn't need to win 4 more rings to be match Kobe but he does need to win a few more to be better, if his career ended right now he is only a top 20 or top 15 player all time, so he still got a ways to go, but no one is saying he is the best right now or better than Magic or Bird, we are just saying he CAN be better than them he CAN be the GOAT, he has the potential, whereas at this point, Kobe is basically locked in where he is, a fringe top 10 player all time behind perimeter players like Magic Jordan and Bird.
 

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1.  Don't start one on fantasies - Calling Lebron the best in the NBA and a once in a generation type player is the biggest fantasy ever

LeBron is producing at an All-Time, alite level based on objective measures and statistics. This is not a matter of opinion. He's second All-Time in player efficiency rating to Jordan. He's led the league in PER and win shares the last four seasons. He's the most efficient at his position in the game. This is not a fantasy. It is a certifiable fact. He's demonstrably better than Griffin, Duncan and Bryant, and although Durant is close, there is not enough evidence to flip the order.

Your argument against James is not grounded in fact.

What would be better is if someone could logically present opinions as to why Lebron is not the best player in the game today and the most skilled to ever hit the NBA.

Agree but unfortunately these guys are not doing it

LeBron will most likely go down as a top 5 non-center of all-time (probably higher).  That is absolutely a once in a generation player.

If that happens, then you would be right, but that has not happened yet. Now if you were to say that Lebron has the potential to be a top 5 non-center player; then I would agree that he has the potential if he overcomes his history of giving up in the fourth quarter of games. Quite frankly I have my doubts about that - I think that there is something missing in his dna that keeps him from being that determined - and that determination is the difference between Lebron and Kobe.  It's not about the physical athleticism and talents - It's about the mental toughness   

those same suckas weren't around to watch Kobe AND Shaq win the trifecta or Kobe AND Pau team up to win back to back.....

until Lebron keeps backing up his titles claim, he's a one-horse winner in this race

until Lebron consistently puts the team on his back, in crunch time most important, and rides them to improbable W's, he's a one-horse winner

what Kobe is doing at 34 yrs of age, with his unending yearning to win a 6th rings, we'll see in about 7 years if Lebron will have reached # of rings or even be producing as Kobe has...

Titles aren't a measure of individual greatness. They are a measure of good teams. It's not a fair indicator of greatness. Kobe Bryant has never won a playoff series without Shaq or Gasol. The rule applies to everyone, including James. It's a team game, so the number of rings isn't an indicator of the better player.

Now, as far as the 'puts his team on his back in crunch time,' do you think LeBron doesn't do that. I'm more of a fan of juding a player on his 48 minute production, but in clutch time, Lebron is fantastic, with few isolated incidents.

Lastly, it doesn't matter what LeBron does when he is 34. The argument is that he is the best in the game now and playing now better than Kobe ever has. Longevity is another discussion but it doesn't alter who is better.