Louis Freeh Responds to Paterno Report

 I hope that speech was more important than a child getting raped.

Too bad Mike McQueary gave him a watered down version (by his own admission) or maybe Paterno would have called that day instead of the next morning.

Come on pennstater.

Who was the head coach?

Where does the buck stop?

I know, I know, blame someone, anyone, take no responsibility.  Got it.  You'd make a good politician, Obama could use you in his cabinet.

Gee smiles, I don't know. How about if the buck stopped where it was supposed to which was those who were mandated by law to report it, which was Curley, Spanier and Schultz. Those 3, ironically, are exactly who Paterno was supposed to report it to according to both PA state law and PSU policy.

McQueary reported it to JoePa, JoePa reported it to Spanier, Curley and Schultz and they reported it to no one. I guess since it is those 3 who are facing charges and since the AG said that Paterno would not have been charged, it lets us know exactly where the buck was supoosed to have stopped. 

Well then JoePa allowed them three to cover it all up.  You know how we know this ?  Because he himself admitted to knowing Sandusky molested a young boy in the shower.


I don't care about any law....one of them should have had the decency to see it was reported properly and something was done about it.

 How about if the buck stopped where it was supposed to which was those who were mandated by law to report it, which was Curley, Spanier and Schultz. Those 3, ironically, are exactly who Paterno was supposed to report it to according to both PA state law and PSU policy. 

Acuallty TF12.........Mikes father and John Dranov are mandated reporters. Mikes first report was to his father, then Dranov.

Here is a good article about the mandated reporters. Since you like to be informed, I know you will read the whole article.


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@trojanfan ,Joe Paterno was Penn State, he was the pope of State College...Curley and Spanier went to his house to fire him once and Joe told them to get lost, don't give me this garbage he did what he was supposed to, when Paterno said jump, people said how high, he burried his head in the sand like everyone else at Penn State and hoped this would just go away, and it came back to bite them in the worst way.

Put it to rest already.

Those insiders knew that Sandusky dodged a bullet by not being criminally charged in 1998..

Yeah I don't think they thought that considering The DA, the DPW, and the CYS all investigated this and concluded that nothing happened. If all of those experts concluded that nothing happened, why would the administartors, who weren't part of the investigation, think any different.

He wasn't charged and he easily could have been.  That was the bullet they dodged.  Or maybe you don't know what the term dodging a bullet means?  It means you are in a risky situation but escape unscathed. 

 he does the same thing in 2001 and these smart people are fooled by Jerry's saintly image and call it "horsing around" in the showers?  That is simply not believable.    

No offense but I don't really care if you don't find that believeable. Jim Clemente, who has dealt with thousands of these cases, said it is believeable and that he has seen it hundreds of times. I really encourage you to read his report. 

I did read it and it's exactly why I have the opinion I do about Schultz, Curley and Spanier.  The fact that none is a registered sex therapist doesn't mean they didn't grasp that they had a big problem on their hands.  The same problem as 3 years earlier. 

 We can argue about what Paterno knew or didn't know, but for me there is no doubt that Curley, Schultz and Spanier had one thing in mind in 2001......protect Penn State and its brand.  The kids were expendable.  

And you know this how? Jerry Sandusky didn't work at Penn State in 2001. What bad publicity would there have been for PSU? The fact that he used their showers? What difference does it make? If someone gets raped in your front yard does that mean you get the bad publicity? What else could they be afraid of? Losing recruits? Considering PSU still landed the top QB and top TE in the nation with the worst sanctions in NCAA history throws that theory right out the window.

Got it.  Sandusky didn't work at Penn State in 2001 so nothing would rub off on PSU.   

Revealing that he showers naked with 13-year old boys at the Lasch Building at 9 PM wouldn't have created any problems for the Penn State brand and image.  Right. 

A guy who played there and coached there for 30 years, was known as the architect of "Linebacker U" (gee, what does Linebacker U refer to?), had emeritus status and was still highly visible at PSU...the guy who was still called coach...still traveled with the team to bowl games and held camps at PSU...no, none of that could possibly have been a problem for Penn State.  Sure thing. 

As for the children being expendable.....in all of the correspondence from these 3 guys did anybody ever mention the kid involved?  Even bother to find out his name?  They used the kid and the incident as a lever though....if Jerry gets "help" we can keep this quiet for all of us and we won't have to tell DPW, CYS and TSM.  It's the "humane" approach, after all.  And above all, make sure Jerry no longer brings his "guests" to PSU facilities.
       

“People do not seem to realize that their opinion of the world is also a confession of character.”
Ralph Waldo Emerson

Put it to rest already.

In defense of the people that did not want to join the mob this past summer, did anybody respect their request?

Both reports have equal status with each other.  You want to put it to rest?  Then stop paying attention to it.  Let those that still care do their thing so that the truth can be found as best as it can be and the right actions finally done or undone.

 don't give me this garbage he did what he was supposed to, when Paterno said jump, people said how high

Having actually known and been involved with a lot of what went on at PSU over the past 25 years, I know this to not be true.  Paterno had a lot of influence, but he had final say in only a handful of things and that was pretty much limited to the team the part of the athletic department that was under his jurisdiction.  Paterno butted heads with a lot of people and if I had to put a number on it, got "his way" about 55-60% of the time. 

Because he himself admitted to knowing Sandusky molested a young boy in the shower.

A loose and horrible interpretation of what was said.

Q: Without getting into any graphic detail, what did Mr. McQueary tell you he had seen and where?

Mr. Paterno: Well, he had seen a person, an older — not an older, but a mature person who was fondling, whatever you might call it — I’m not sure what the term would be — a young boy.

Q: Did he identify who that older person was?

Mr. Paterno: Yes, a man by the name of Jerry Sandusky who had been one of our coaches, was not at the time.

Q: You’re saying that at the time this incident was reported to you, Sandusky was no longer a coach?
Mr. Paterno: No, he had retired voluntarily. I’m not sure exactly the year, but I think it was either ‘98 or ‘99.

Q: I think you used the term fondling. Is that the term that you used?

Mr. Paterno: Well, I don’t know what you would call it. Obviously, he was doing something with the youngster.

It was a sexual nature. I’m not sure exactly what it was.

How would you interpret his statements if Because he himself admitted to knowing Sandusky molested a young boy in the shower is wrong?

<crikets> <crikets>

Having actually known and been involved with a lot of what went on at PSU over the past 25 years, I know this to not be true.

yeah sure pal....sure.  

Paterno butted heads with a lot of people and if I had to put a number on it, got "his way" about 55-60% of the time.

Translation, at the end, Joe Paterno was a fading shadow of his former self, probably senile, definitely bull-headed, stubborn, and unwilling to admit his true involvement in this whole scandal.  Most of the time, people simply covered for him.

Penn St. fans, you can't have it both ways.  One, Joe Paterno knew about wrong doing and failed to aggressively look into it, for fear of losing his "legacy."  Or two, he was a tottering old fool who had checked out mentally and was allowed to hang on to his job, years after he should have retired.  Which is it?

Either way, one thing is certain.  His selfish insistence on hanging around ended up bringing shame to himself and to the university he represented.

Either way, one thing is certain.  His selfish insistence on hanging around ended up bringing shame to himself and to the university he represented.

You will be lucky to accomplish as much tobe  that position.  You will be lucky to have helped as many children in your lifetime. You most likely will not.  Nor have I or 99% of the population.

And hope you don't allow something as damaging as this happen on your watch.  It will bury you as it did Coach Paterno.  I doubt you need to worry.  You will never be in a position where you have even the slightest potential to be there. 

But you are in company with buckshave, and T Dummy.  A grand place for a smiles to be.

jonvi,

Be my guest, call me any name you want.  You seem to forget something, "to whom much is given, much is expected."  You know nothing about me, nor do I know anything about you.  For all you know, I could be someone important, or a big nobody, it really doesn't matter.  I'm trying to discuss the meaning of these dueling reports and by extension, make observations about the danger of worshipping personalities instead of enjoying the sport for the sake of the sport. 

The biggest fault I see with the leaders of Penn St. is that they allowed themselves to be caught up in Paterno's personality cult, complete with iconic murals that made him and his other coaches and players look like saints in a medieval painting.  Everyone was so hung up on protecting Joe's legacy that they ignored a multitude of warning signs.  They fought so hard to protect the image that in the end, they destroyed it.  Now everyone is trying to put the toothpaste back into the tube. 

Do you deny that the scandal has brought shame to the university?  Do you deny that at the end, Paterno was a physically sick man who should have stepped down way before he actually did?  Do you deny that a lot of people tried to cover all of this up?

Go ahead, try to pretend that something else happened.  Go ahead, try to throw insults or compare me to others. 

Just do me a favor, discuss with me what I said, not what others said.  If you disagree, fine, that's why we are here, I have no problem with that. 

smiles.....I called you no names. 

"It takes many good deeds to build a good reputation, and only one bad one to lose it."  -- Benjamin Franklin.