Duke or bust...

I don't think he's forced to play them. He continued to play them and they kept making the same dumb errors. I would have pulled them both awhile ago. I don't care if he yells at the refs or not, but he needs ot be up off the bench to at least talk to/question the refs at times. Most coaches do that. It's called getting as much advantage for your players as you can. Sitting on the bench waving your hands in the air does absolutely nothing to support your team. I don't want to see some emotional tirade or anything, just get proactive. 
      I say run Dez at point for a little. Hell even try Aronhalt..they can always dish back to him if the uhhh, "set" play (if we run one) doesn't work. I do hope it's all about the lack of a true PG. I really do 

Hey Terpo...want to make sure we're on the same page. I'm not trying to start an argument..I just have a different view of the conversation.

When I say "forced"..he of course can choose someone else to be on the court, but who?

If Howard can't get it done...it's a crapshoot to think others could. He has no choice but to play Howard and Faust, because he needs to spread minutes. I think Allen might be a candidate, but he can't play 40. It forces others on the floor to play the point. He's been giving others a shot since he got here..that's what he did with Faust last year due to Howards injury. We have no point gaurd, and if we could force an experiment of anyone else to be the point guard...my belief is the result would be the same.

I understand that most coaches do it, but those refs are evaluated by a governing body. That oversight is effective is producing quality calls overall. Do they make bad calls...you bet. However the game is quick and we have the luxury of instant replay in slow motion. Any perceieved bias by officials would surely lead to demotions or firing imo.


Go Terps 22 Wins 

On another note though, this duke game is looking more and more like a must win if we want to get in the dance. NC ST, NC, and FL St all won, the top 4 already are way ahead of us. We have to leapfrog over 2 of them I'd say. Lose 2day and we're 5-7, likely enroute to a 9-9 finish if not worse. Win, and it changes everything dramatically. I still believe the acc only gets 4 in, maybe a 5th gets in if it makes a run in the acc tourney. I don't see how we can catch VA/NC for the 4th spot. NC ST just squeeked one out, and they have an easier schedule the rest of the way out. The FL ST losses are looming large. I will say one thing though Moul, the last batch of GW recruits aren't smart players at all, and I'd say at this point that even Len is looking somewhat like a dud. I'll try and hold back being so judgemental until Turg has all his own pieces in place. It IS very possible, that like Stoglin, these other GW guys just aren't coachable. Very possible. But it's strange that they seem to be coachable on D/rebounding and not O. I guess the O is a little more sophistocated  as far as thinking on your feet. Dunno........

Sorry Mouly it is just the opposite. We did not really do squat last year, but we expected even less. Just because the team exceeded our low expectations does not mean he was a good in game coach. It is speculation that he can't coach, it is a fact that he hasn't. At least three losses this season are on him, and none of the wins di he do anything to win one. How man ygames in two years have you been able to say that he made a move that turned the game or won it towards the end? I have seen none buut I have seen a bunch of times that it happened against us. He is probably fine in the SEC where good recruiting was enough, not so i nthe ACC.  I know you don't think it is the coaches job to fight for his team during the game, you are wrong. It is part of the game, and he passivley lets his team get pushed around. officials take the path of least resistance and so far that should be Turgeons middle name. I have also said that the problem may be that were spoiled for a couple decades by getting to watch one of the best game coach in history so maybe not many guys will measure up, but do something over there excepot sub guys in when a starter gets two fouls. This is in addition to games where we had a lead, the other coach made adjustments, and Mark made none to counter them unti lwe were losing. I know what I see and it isn't quality coaching. Before last season not many of us had a chance to see him coach. We assumed his record of 4 straight 24 win seasons was something special. Maybe it is but it is starting to look like he is a great recruiter and then he hopes the kids can do it on raw talent because he does nothing to help them.


Your second paragraph would be correct exce that it isn't what has happened. In fact it is he who has left players in the game, both he and Garys far to long. All on him. And if players are not doing as they are instructed and they are still playing, that is also on him. That he cant coach 4 plays in practice that they can execute coming out of TO's is all on him. They do play hard. They play good defense and crash the boards and those two things are 90% effort and only 10% talent. Everyone gets credit for that.  

Stoglin was not a point guard. HE was the same as Peshon and Allen. A shooting guard that was made to handle the ball a little more. I have said from the beginnign that the lack of  PG would be the undoing but that does not take responsibility of the coach to do his part. Howard was hurt most of last year, but thats all everyone said was how he made the tem go and wait until he was back, and they di play better until he got hurt the second time. Stoglin was no PG. And Stoglin was suspended and then left. He didn't go entirely on his own. I didnt hear anything about Allen being suspended. If that is true then maybe there is an even bigger problem as that would mean it doesn't matter whos recruits they are, they do as they please.


On many things you have good arguments and I am very very surprised that you do not understand the value of the coaches letting the referees know when they are making mistakes and that they are being seen. Noone except you has ever said anything about yelling at a kid. You misread a post and have carried that on through the season. It was always about the ref's and noone ever said anythign about yelling at them. Turgeon does NOTHING to help gain an advantage while every other coach is doing it against him. When one guy is taking the ref to task, and the other acts as if whatever happens happens, then it happens to you instead of for you. That is why we lost both FSu games, the kentucky game, and another one that we were winning in the second half but at the end of the game, the other team was in the double bonus while we were not yet even i nthe single bonus. it would be differerent if if we were a jump shooting team but we had 40+ rebounds and 30+ pts in the paint. If you think we were fouled less than 4 times then I apologize as you are obviously listening to the game on the radio or are blind and couldn't see the game.


And finally he did not have to play Howard and Faust at PG, he has 4 other guards on this team, AND he had the chance to recruit a PG instead of every big sow fat kis he could find to clog up the middle. How many freshman do we have? One of them should have been a PG. He doesn't have a good one but that is on him as well.


I think he wil lat least get to coach out his contract, so he has a couple years to prove us wrong. It's just the more I look at it, the more i see it. And that is that this is exactly what he did in Texas. Pump up the wins with an easy OO schedule. The only difference is that it was a second rate basketball conference so just haviing a big team that worked hard was enough for 24 wins and a trip to the NCA where when his team had to actually play someone, they lost. In the ACC most conference games are at least as competitive as most tourney games and he is being exposed in season instead of the post season.
           

Thanks ESPN for making me the awesome game of Missouri and Arkansas!

Gary sure didnt have any problem coaching the guys he recruited so if Turgeon cant? maybe it's not the kid....

Hey we're hangin in there so far 18-17....but, 5 TO's already

Alright 4:48 to go and I'm holding my breath.
Free throws over 75% and rebounding looks good.
Go Terps

please dont storm the court...............please dont storm the court...............please.........
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Can I breath now?

Yes! Go Terps!

Wow in the last game between Duke and MD in college park ever. Historic. The ball is squarely back in the Terps court for pst season play. Whar a game by Allen and Len. And did I see the coach workign the efs a little in the seond half?


The bad news obviously is the number of ways the terps invented to turn the ball over. the good news is they crushed them on the boards and they answered every Duke run. If this was a little more veteran team that knew when to push and when to slow it down this could have been a much easier win, but of course we take it. The stupid female announcer tried every way she could to make Duke out to be more than they were playing, and eluded that they were tired because they played three games in 6 days. iThey better get ready because the last I checked the ACC tournament is 4 games in 4 days. These guys are 20 years old. they dont get tired.


And Skeeter  Iahve no idea why you wouldnt want them to storm the court after beating the #2 team in the country, their arch rivals, in the last game thetems will ever play in the regular season. EVER. It was a thing of beuty and a moment any of those kids at the game will remember for the rest of their lives, right there at center court. Now if you want o say please don't burn things and turn over police cars, then ok. LOL     

I'm a little bit of a hard butt..............so I'll say good win............but STILL a lot of work to do.

I understand that most coaches do it, but those refs are evaluated by a governing body. That oversight is effective is producing quality calls overall.

We dont care about their calls over all or how they are governed. We care when at home that all the calls go to the visiting team on that night in our game. Turgeon was in to the game and did have more interaction wioth the refs but Duke still got the Duke calls and if they had shot their Ft's we are talking about a moral victory instead of a real one. But they gave us our calls too and thats all we ask. At the end both teams were in foul trouble and both teams were in the double bonus which is an indication of a evenly called game between teams that went inside alot, and that is all you can ask. We made it interesting by not hitting ours at the end as well, but for most of the game we were money from the line.  

Now if you want o say please don't burn things and turn over police cars, then ok. LOL     

Lol - you know they are going to burn that town down tonight 

Doesn't mean anything unless we beat BC on the road on Tuesday. We do that then that's something to build on! Go Terps!

And Skeeter  Iahve no idea why you wouldnt want them to storm the court after beating the #2 team in the country, their arch rivals, in the last game thetems will ever play in the regular season. EVER.

Because I'm not a fan of storming the court.  Our team is 6 - 6 in the ACC, and beating Duke should not be a bench mark.  It seems like every other day, we see students storming the court.  They stop that crap in football, and I cant wait till they stop it in basketball.

Dude LMAO at least you can let everyone be giddy for 15 minutes before trying to be practical. Plenty of time tomorrow to wring your hands over the next game. Enjoy being a Terp tonight! Forever MD will have won the last regular season game played between these two teams. Duke has said they will never schedule MD so the only way these two meet again is in this years ACC Tournament or if the NCAA "randomly" matches them up in the future in the NCA Tournament. 

Beating Duke is always a benchmark, and should be. Beating the #2 team in the country when you probably arent even going to make the post season is huge. this will easily be the biggest win of the season and for some of these kids might be the biggest in their college careers as you seldom get to play the #1 team. Its not like they did it after beating BC. And besides its college, they are kids, and theyare supposed to act crazy. It may be their last chance before they become real adults and have to act respectably. I love it. Like I said I hope they dont burn all the dorm furniture as that should be reserved or Conference and National Championships, but court storming is just good clean fun. LOL  

Dude LMAO at least you can let everyone be giddy for 15 minutes before trying to be practical.

Being practical wins championships, not single games.

Beating the #2 team in the country when you probably arent even going to make the post season is huge.

I beg to differ.  I'd rather lose to Duke and make the tourney.

Again, good win (very sloppy with 26 turnovers), but still a lot of work to do.  If you settle for single game victories, you're missing the big picture.