Bo's 12 yr tenure vs Previous 12 years

This is for people who don't realize how Bo Ryan has moved Wisconsin Basketball forward, to the next level.

This is Bo's 12th year so here are the numbers from his 12 years VS the Previous 12 years.

My question before I enter the numbers is this; would you rather have Bo's 12 years or the previous 12 years which included a Final Four?

Before Bo there were 5 coaches, Yoder, Jackson, Van Gundy, Bennett, Soderberg, here are there numbers

Overall Record 180-158

Big Ten Recored 77-115/ Zero Big Ten Championships (tournament or regular season)

20-win seasons- TWO

NCAA- 5 appearances w/ 6 wins and One Final four

BO RYANS NUMBERS

Overall 268-108

Big Ten- 140-54/5 Big Ten Championships, 3 regular season and 2 tournaments

20-win seasons--Nine possible 10 if they get there this year and he has TWO 30 season (he has as many 30 win season as the others do 20 win seasons

NCAA--11 soon to be 12 with 16 wins and an Elite 8

So which 12 years do you want? How do you not see where Bo has taken this program? Other coaches like Roy Williams, Calipari have walked into programs with tradition, and were able to build from current or previous traditions....Wisconsin had little to no tradition. Bo had to start a tradition and a program that consistently won....Look at the numbers people., prior to Bo there was no consistent success...Wisconsin now has a tradition where they are expected to win. Bo can finally start to build on the groundwork he has created. If you see it differently, then you are not truly looking at the numbers....Numbers Never Lie!

Calipari took memphis to the championship game.....brad stevens has taken butler to 2 final 4's. hardly teams with tradition.

Yes, he has improved the Badgers and made us consistent... but Dick Bennet improved the Badgers too, should we have stuck with him over the long term. I didn't like Dick Bennet's style either but he improved our team and our status in NCAA basketball. Now Bo Ryan has taken that to a higher level, but he is at his peak and its going to be 12 more years of winning a few conference titles but no realistic shot at a NCAA championship. This is not an argument about Bo Ryan being a good coach and the fact that the Badgers aren't better than a lot of schools. Its about where do we go from here? I like to get better and progress, sorry to say Bo Ryan is what he is. A good coach who can get you so far. I am sure if you look at all the coaches who didn't have a big name like "Bo Ryan" who went on to do great things/win championships. We can start over with a no name coach and he could be the next "great" coach. But its not Bo Ryan, because he is an old dog, with his old tricks. Not enough to win a Championship. Get a coach with a good defensive style and an up tempo play. He can still recruit all the guys Bo Recruits, because most of them aren't recruited by top schools anyway, but he will get other athletes who are attracted by the style of play and the name that Wisconsin Basketball has earned over the last 20 years.

Also- Do some homework for me... check out our 20 win seasons and look at how many high school teams we play? We still won those games but at some point they are still high school teams. Just like Our football team Badgers, we play non conference high school games, but that gets us to 7 wins every year and eligible for a bowl game. We need to raise the bar people, that creates greatness.

That Memphis team would later have its entire season record vacated by the NCAA, so according to the NCAA they didn't play in the Championship game. That's what happens when you have coaches who ignore compliance.

I have said for some time now Brad Stevens is the best coach in college basketball. However, the team he took over won 29 games and did make the Sweet 16 the year before Stevens took over. Butler had more NCAA appearances and more Sweet 16 appearances when Stevens took over than the University of Wisconsin did when Ryan took over.

So they is some arguement to your statement.

Your argument on 20 wins seasons is moot. Most top programs play some low D-1 schools in there non-conference schedule. Most years it is cannot be avoided because you only have so many dates available, and so on and so forth. However, Wisconsin must not have been winning those so called "high school" games because they weren't getting to 20 wins very often.

Bennett finished in the lower half of the Big Ten 3 of his 5 years. Bo has never finished in the lower half. NEVER.

Bo has NEVER made a final 4.......so butler was a great program your saying before stevens took over? You brought up coach cal.....i just brought up the fact that he didnt only win at a tradition school.....tom cream took marquette to a final 4.....GW made a final 4....dick bennett made a final 4....didnt even VCU make a final 4? Coaching in the tournament is alot different then the regular season.....its all about matchups and how you adjust......UNLV, davidson, and cornell have all knocked bo out of the dance. Bo is a great regular season coach who under performs greatly come march. It is what it is....but i guess your to blinded by your loyalty to see that. Why wouldnt recruits want to go to a school like wisky who consistently wins 20 plus games a year? The system. The coach. The shortcomings come march.

If you read my post; I said Butler basketball was in better shape when Stevens took over and had more NCAA success in its history than Wisconsin did when Bo took over Wisconsin.

And I have nothing against any of the coaches you mention except ones that break rules are do not follow compliance. But if you are trying to convince me that the Dick Bennetts, Mike Davis' or even Tom CreaN's are better for getting to one final four I disagree with that logic. Bennetts Final Four year is his only year he made it out of the first round with Wisconsin.

I am blinded by loyalty to whom? Bo? I follow Wisconsin Basketball. I support the program, players and coach. I have been around Wisconsin basketball long enough to know that Bo Ryan has built a program that consistantly wins. Others will argue that his teams won't ever get to a final four or compete for a title, but I believe Wisconsin's best chances to win in March is with Bo Ryan as their head coach.

John Chaney

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Gene Keady

Norm Stewart

Bo has NEVER made a final 4.......so butler was a great program your saying before stevens took over? You brought up coach cal.....i just brought up the fact that he didnt only win at a tradition school.....tom cream took marquette to a final 4.....GW made a final 4....dick bennett made a final 4....didnt even VCU make a final 4? Coaching in the tournament is alot different then the regular season.....its all about matchups and how you adjust......UNLV, davidson, and cornell have all knocked bo out of the dance. Bo is a great regular season coach who under performs greatly come march. It is what it is....but i guess your to blinded by your loyalty to see that. Why wouldnt recruits want to go to a school like wisky who consistently wins 20 plus games a year? The system. The coach. The shortcomings come march.

Dick Bennett won 4 games in the NCAA Tournament, and it just so happens that it happened all in one year. You know what? I'm actually happy with where the program is. You act like we should be embarrassed that every year the team wins 20 games, but when your team doesn't make it to the tournament for nearly 50 years making the NCAA Tournament is still considered an accomplishment.

We get it, Bo hasn't made the Final 4. Truth of the matter is, he doesn't have the athletes to do it most of the time, and guess what? I'm fine with that, especially after where the program used to be.  Honestly, I don't know why you keep coming on our board and telling us how bad of a March coach Bo is, you did it 2 years ago, you did it last year, and you're doing it again. We get it, there is no point in rehashing the same arguments, but hey last I checked Wisconsin does have more NCAA Tournament wins the past 2 years, and since Bo has come here the team has the 2nd most tournament wins, and like I said I'm fine with that, and the people who want to fire Bo are idiots, plain and simple. It's ridiculous, completely ridiculous.

about 1/3 of cleaves' posts are on the badger board. for someone whose team is so 'superior' to wisconsin, he sure is concerned about us.

that pretty much speaks for itself. no matter what he comes back at us with, it's obvious that he's pretty worried about wisconsin. hate hate hate, son

i already took cleaves to the woodshed once about a month ago.  i know he has nothing but respect for this program.

The problem with your statement is that Wisconsin is not going to get a high calibur head coach. That would even apply to a real up and comer like Shaka Smart that is originally from that area. It also doesn't help that Wisconsin is considered a football school first and foremost and that is not going to change as long as Barry is AD. I would also say that it is almost impossible to get five star talent to pick Wisconsin. They did get Dekker, but he a Wisconsin kid so that doesn't count. At some point we have to be content with the success that Bo had brought to Wisconsin.

I don't think many of you remember the Wisconsin of the 60's 70's and 80's, when the Badgers played in the old field house and there were usually about 3,000 to 4,000 fans in the stands ("the faithful three thousand").  We ran thru a ton of coaches and tall slow white guys.  How anybody can critisize Bo is beyond me.  He has made Wisconsin basketball fun and this year is a prime example of taking an average group of college players and molding them into a top 25 team.  You can see the improvement.  Free throws may very well do them in during the NCAA tournament, but Bo cannot shoot free throws for them.  It was not long ago that the Badgers led the country in free throw shooting.  Dick Bennett started the move to making Wisconsin a major factor in college basketball, by playing defense and slowing down the game. Bo has learned from him and taken it taken it to another level.  

 Dick Bennett started the move to making Wisconsin a major factor in college basketball, by playing defense and slowing down the game

How is WI a major factor?  They are a above average program that will never get any national love.  They are and always will be the little brother of the B10.  Not saying there is anything wrong with this, but it is reality.

Little brother of the Big10? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Bo Ryan has the overall best B10 record in the last 12 years. How did that Michigan team hold up against us this year...or that Indiana team? Oh yea...we beat them both twice. Yes, we have our losses as well, but we are always competitive. Not little brother...but maybe red-headed Breuser stepchild that keeps stomping on teams faces!

GO BADGERS!!!

How did that Michigan team hold up against us this year...or that Indiana team?

All rated higher and have better seeds.  

Rated higher and better seeds this year.  Whose resume over the past decade would you rather have? Michigan, Wisconsin, or Indiana? 

Rated higher and better seeds this year.  Whose resume over the past decade would you rather have? Michigan, Wisconsin, or Indiana? 

Funny because Indiana has made it to a final four in last decade.  The teams you mentioned are all playing right now, where are the badgers?