Brady and (Post) and (Pre) Spygate Success

You mean the team relied solely on an all-time great QB to win? Thanks for the Peyton Manning prop..... 










not 'soley' but definitely too much. But when it comes to Peyton everyone says he never had a defense.Well the last few years(especially '11) the Pats D was worse than any of Peyton's. Pats still get to the SB. But idiots/Pats haters can't see that , nope only because they tape anymore they 'haven't even won a SB' blah blah blah. ....even tho, once again the tapes weren't even illegal(besides in the Jets game where you have to tape from the sideline because of how the stadium was configured) Jets and Packers fans are the only ones that might have a beef since Lambeau is configured the same way, home team facing the press box, so to tape signals you had to do it from an illegal location. 






But yeah I've posted many times how it's not so easy to win post season games w/o a good D(although the O has failed lately too) and haven't bashed Peyton so much. But I do think people overblow the Peyton never had a D thing. He had very good defenses some years and still did nothing post season. But The Peyton/Brady thing is as worn out as this spygate thing is. 

 

And the Ravens - 49ers SB could of went either way. And the Packers-Steelers SB. And the Saints Colts  and theSteelers-Cards ect ect ect...

The Pats won all 3 of their superbowls by the foot of Vinitieri. Any one of those games go either way off one play.











just about every SB the last 15 years or so has been fairly close. Only the Pats get bashed for it though. 




And Vinatieri didn't have much to do with the SB win over the Eagles. And he was only needed in the other 2 because the D let the other team tie it up late.

"team" wins just like every other team that wins the SB. But again, only Brady needs help. Funny stuff.  

and Giants-bills.

I agree

Rodney harrison is "the foot of vinitieri"...okay then.

No. Rodney Harrison was on HGH.

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Zig had it right, BB got mad in 2006 when the Colts came back, and decided he wanted to become the Colts. Little did he know, that means: playing so well in the season, breaking records, smashing people. To only play some team that smacks them in face in the playoffs. Leaving them heartbroken and their QB being called a choker. Serves the Patriots... about right

"team" wins just like every other team that wins the SB. But again, only Brady needs help. Funny stuff.  

Every QB needs help to win, Brady just gets more of it then others. 

Zig had it right, BB got mad in 2006 when the Colts came back, and decided he wanted to become the Colts.










lol, that's not what I said. I don't think Bill 'wanted' to become the Colts but it was easier to instantly upgrade the offense with Moss and welker, stallworth etc than it was to rebuild the defense....6 years later, still trying to get the D fixed....ugh


 

Consider this: Young people, only trained to do one thing, mostly, because most of them didn't utilize the advantage of a free college education by attending class, because no one cared if they did, as long as the team was winning... Every single Tuesday, they sit in a meeting, while coaches analyze every single thing they did on Sunday. If they performed poorly enough, the guy sitting next to you is more than happy to be the one that is rich and famous, while you go out and sell cars, and the coaches, only one step away from the same fate, are more than happy to send you there...

Point is this... The NFL is about two things. Winning, and money. The league generates better than a billion dollars annualy. This being the case, does it really surprise anyone that teams will do whatever they think they have to, to win?... Given what is at stake for these guys personally, do you really believe that any of these guys try any less hard in Week 1 against the Lions than they do in the Bowl? Of course not.. Some of you are getting sold by NFL Films, and the fairy tales they sell..It doesn't matter if the Patriots cheated. The Steelers are cheating as well. So are the Cowboys... Too much at stake not try.. So why does it matter?

 

Tom Panties is no doubt, a great QB.  Would I put him top 10 of all time greats like those the stupid make-believe pedestal the NFL  has this guy on?  Hell no.  Why?

#1.   The completely false perspective of him being GOAT.  He cheated during the success that 'made him great'  and gave him the great fame of being 'one of the best'.  If not for Spygate, Tom Brady is an 0-2 QB with the greatest season ever as a QB in a league that made rules and threw flags for him every time he was breathed on.  He was  however the only QB to lead his team to an 18-0 season *snicker*. He was also paired up with Randy Moss who could've been the greatest WR the NFL had ever seen, but, who pissed it away with poor effort and instead became, like Panties, the player to have the greatest single season a WR ever had.  He also had one of the best defenses to protect him and the greatest clutch kicker in Superbowl history during the three cheating wins.  He rode a LOT, a LOT of backs to this 'goat' success.

#2.  0-2, superbowls, 5-5 after spygate.  To me, this would make him out to be of the 'playoff choker' label that has been going around about QBs like Peyton Manning (undeserved) and Tony Romo (deserved...although he chokes right before he would get into the playoffs as well).  So, IF Panties were a new QB and it was Bledsoe instead, who was the one involved in Spygate, I would say Brady would be a 'very good' QB but not in the elite talks.   He would be more in the ranks of a Matt Ryan.  He's in the 'elite' talks every year yet hasn't really showed jack shit**** apart from the 'unstoppable scheming' (which is, btw stoppable) by Bellicheat since again, he's not being relayed what the defense is running now that their signals aren't being stolen...which leads to

#3.  Tom Pantie's understanding of defense is actually better now than it was when he was cheating.  IN fact, I would say he's a better QB than when he was cheating.  When he was cheating, he was making these, ironically, miraculous magical throws in the superbowl and in the playoffs where he didn't even have to look at the reciever.  We don't see that from him anymore after Spygate busted out.  Not even in the 18-0 year where he wasn't cheating.  But because he wasn't cheating he had to put up ridiculous numbers for that team to win and get as far as it did.  Once the Eagles exposed the scheme by almost beating them, and the Giants seeing that their defensive gameplan worked, that was it for Brady.  Now he's the master of dink and dunk and now he's going to lose Wes Welker, who other than Jerry Rice, is the best West Coast short yardage reciever I have ever seen play.  So now he's what he is, a very good, very overrated, QB on a successful organization.

One of the greats?....top 20?  Sure, why not.  Top 10?  Probably not unless you give him all the credit for the 3 superbowls which just about everyone has done, and unfairly so. 

Too much at stake not try.. So why does it matter?

well, apparently a team can get away with cheating and become th greatest ever in some people's minds....even ALOT of people's minds but the legitimacy and legacy of being one of the best is never there.  The '72 Dolphins?  One of the best.  The '85 Bears?  One of the best.  The '91 Redskins? One of the best. The '92 Cowboys?  One of the best. The '94 49ers?  One of the best. The '01-'04 Cheaters?  Cheated.   The '06 Steelers?  Refs cheated for them.  The '07 non-Cheaters?  18-1. The '07 Giants?  One of the best.

Think perhaps some of the 92 Cowboys were juicing? Maybe Jimmy Johnson was trying to steal signals... Don't be naive. Every single team you mentioned cheated in one way or the other..

 If not for Spygate, Tom Brady is an 0-2 QB

Interesting. So when did they play these two superbowls? Halftime of the Jets game?

Peyton Manning (undeserved)

8 one and dones.

He's in the 'elite' talks every year yet hasn't really showed jack ****

07-50 tds. 10-9-1 td-int 11-5k season.

miraculous magical throws in the superbowl

So Panties is Eli Manning. Thanks for the clarification.

The '07 Giants?  One of the best.
LOL. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

The '72 Dolphins?  One of the best.

The best team they beat had a 8-6 record. Astounding.

EVERYONE was doing the  "Spy-Gate" thing...the league caught wind of it, & told ALL TEAMS to STOP !.....N.E. chose to ignor the memo, & MANgenious  snitched on them,   really wasnt a big deal.....MLB teams  steal signals every chance they get

Brady is the biggest fraud in the history of the NFL.

You're right.  He has you completely bamboozled into thinking that he's anything less than one of the best quarterbacks to ever play in the NFL.  

Nice screen name by the way.  Fits like a bowling ball on a driving range.

Think perhaps some of the 92 Cowboys were juicing? Maybe Jimmy Johnson was trying to steal signals... Don't be naive. Every single team you mentioned cheated in one way or the other..

Sounds like typical Tony Romo excuse copout there FearWare.  Sorry, but you can't use that excuse.  If other teams were actually CAUGHT cheating as a team to gain a DISTINCT advantage that put them over the top in a game, we'd have a name for it like 'Juice-gate' or 'Jimmy Johnson-gate'.  He said he was 'trying' but it didn't mean he succeeded.  And with that team he definitely didn't need to cheat except maybe against the 49ers?...but whatever.  Lets just say everyone cheats and even if their caught...everyone else cheats so its ok.  Stupid logic dude.

Peyton Manning (undeserved)

8 one and dones. 

How many one and dones does Marino have?  Oh, and is one and done even a stat?  I guess Peyton Manning made that stat right?...no, just the haters made up that stat.  Need to find something inferior about Manning because he's clearly a much better QB than Tom Panties.

miraculous magical throws in the superbowl

So Panties is Eli Manning. Thanks for the clarification.

Actually no.  Eli Manning is better than Tom Panties.  Also, it wasn't the throws that miraculous it was really the catches.  Eli made those throws into coverage.  Brady made his throws not being able to see the reciever (Deion Branch and Troy Brown) but somehow knew they would be open because he was tipped off by the signals.  Its easy to see the difference if you watch the film. 

 The '07 Giants?  One of the best. 
LOL. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

That's what I was doing after they beat the 19-0  18-1 'greatest team in history of the sport'.

The '72 Dolphins?  One of the best. 

The best team they beat had a 8-6 record. Astounding.

 Redskins: finished the 1972 season with an NFC-best 11-3 record.

Shut up.  You don't know jack shit****. 

Brady is a FRAUD with that spy camera that he they used on the sidelines to tape those calls.  COINCIDENCE that Brady never won another superbowl after Billacheat got caught???  18-1*!  Also because Eli OWNS Brady.  Brady cant even complete passes beyond 5 yards downfield.  Just dunk, screen, dink, 2 yards to Welker, dunk, 0 yards to Woodhead, screen, dunk, dink.  Brady is the most overrated quaterback to ever play.

How many one and dones does Marino have?

Who the hell cares?

 Oh, and is one and done even a stat?
One and done specifically may not be a stat, but play off losses are, and Manning has 11 of them. Including 8 losses in his teams first game.

no, just the haters made up that stat.   Need to find something inferior about Manning because he's clearly a much better QB than Tom Panties
Rings, playoff win records, 5k reg seasons and 50 td reg seasons are all something Peyton Manning does not have.

 Also, it wasn't the throws that miraculous it was really the catches.

so you are in agreement that Eli Manning is overrated? Good because if not, the no credibility you have is shot.


 Redskins: finished the 1972 season with an NFC-best 11-3 record.

I'm very sorry for not clarifying, i admit my horrific mistake.

The best team in the regular season they beat had a 8-6 record. Astounding

Marino's a VERY overrated quartreback too.  Marino, Farve, Brady, Elway, and Peyton = overrated. 

Can you take anyone whose username is Eli=GOAT seriously?