#1 seeds

Indiana State is in no way a bad loss. Don't just look at the non-household name of a midmajor conference school. And when all is said and done Florida Gulf Coast might only be a minor bad loss. TCU is definitely the worst... but it isn't a death sentence like some are making it out to be. And if you wanna talk about bad losses look at bubble team Virginia. They lost 6 bad ones and noone has one as bad as to #323 Old Dominion. (jeeze what happened to ODU?)

Josh look at the end of the last page for your answer.

"What about Kansas' wins is so impressive that they're better."

As everyone has said, they have more wins vs Top 50 RPI teams than anyone.  But what hasn't been said is how they have beaten some of those top 50 teams.

The number speak for themselves:
Beating #19 RPI K-State twice, with one of them being total blowout.
Beating Ohio State in their own backyard with little problem.
Smashing #23 RPI Colorado by 36pts
Smashing #28 RPI Belmont by 29pts
And a couple of others that were easy double digit wins.

The point is.. their top wins have been either total blowouts, or very comfortable wins.


Their losses:

3 of the 4 losses are to teams with RPI's ranked 9th (neutral court MSU), 18th (@OU), and 30th (vs Ok St).  And of course there is ONE bad loss.


If/When they win out, they will then have at least one more top 50 win, and although they are RPI #61, I think Baylor will climb into the top 50 and add another blowout win over a top 50, and another soon to be road win.


KU's Big wins > 3 good losses and 1 bad loss any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

They will only be a 3 seed if they lose 2 of their last 4 games, which some think will happen, but don't count on it.
If the selection committee had to decide today, KU would easily be a 2.

So I think I answered your question Josh, now it is your turn.  Are you saying that they are a 3 seed based on 1 bad loss, despite all their big wins?  Please try and explain.. TRY.

Florida Gulf Coast got swept by Lipscomb. Really though, any team can pull off an upset in 1 game...especially early. I just think if you want to be a 1 seed you have to avoid losses like that.

Please try and explain.. TRY.
And try to show that Florida's Resume is better than Kansas without simply saying Florida is awesome... at home.

The first line was supposed to be quoted.

Joe, I like your comparison to FLwith Kansas and they certainly handled themselves well last night against a gritty Okie ST team in that double OT win, which is why I have no problem with them getting a 1 seed if certain other things fall into place for them....like the Gonzaga argument and what happens with Miami's weak play lately when they have to play Duke vs who wins the ACC tournament.... It could be BC the way both those teams played them! The only difference with FL is that their wins have all been by enormous margins and losses all buzzer beaters for the most part) where The Jayhawks have had a lot of games that could go either way. The good thing is that I think either of those teams would play better ball with a 2 seed to light a fire under their ***s!

Why is it that Michigan St is on the 1 line right now but Louisville can't be?  Just because they have two losses against the Hoosiers?  Their records and RPI are practically identical but somehow they seem to be getting a lot more mention than the Cards.  Indiana is a virtual lock for a #1 seed but the rest are up for grabs as far as I'm concerned.  Miami is hot right now but they have some of the worst losses of any of the top ten teams.  Gonzaga is questionable because their best wins are Kansas St and Ok St.  Right now the only other two teams that I'd give the nod for a 1 seed would be the Orange or Michigan...even if they did have a bad game against the Spartans.  The Cards wont get a big boost with RPI for a victory over Seton Hall but if they can win out and beat the Orange at home I'd say they will still be in line for a #1 seed. 

MSU has a better resume. First and foremost, they are currently in 2nd place in a brutal Big10. They lost to Uconn in Germany in the first game, @Miami, @Minneosta when they were a top 10 team, and twice to Indiana in the last seconds. Wins over Kansas, Boise State, @Wisky, Michigan, avenged Minnesota loss, Illinois, @Iowa, and Ohio State. No bad losses plus a ton of good wins. Plus, they have a chance to finish with wins @OSU, @Mich, and home vs Wisky, those three games will determine MSU's seed.

cardsfan I am gonna discent your post. Hopefully that answers questions and misconceptions.

Indiana is a virtual lock for a #1 seed but the rest are up for grabs as far as I'm concerned.

Not even close. No locks for a 1 seed and none will likely be when tournaments start.

Miami is hot right now but they have some of the worst losses of any of the top ten teams.

Maybe Florida Gulf-Coast but Indiana State is not a bad loss.

Gonzaga is questionable because their best wins are Kansas St and Ok St. 

Why is that bad? That is really good and actually their best win is technically Oklahoma and the winns are away from home.

Right now the only other two teams that I'd give the nod for a 1 seed would be the Orange or Michigan...even if they did have a bad game against the Spartans

Michigan maybe, although I think they are slightly behind MSU. The Orange are not a 1 or even a 2 seed right now. It's too crowded right now up above and what they have won't cut it. If they beat GTown then that may change.

Why is it that Michigan St is on the 1 line right now but Louisville can't be?

Now onto this. Well Michigan State may be a one seed they are likely currently a 2 seed. Louisville is in no way a #1 seed right now. They are a 3 or 4. Likely a 3 after Cuse vs GTown. (fat that moment, who knows about later).

Now UL has resumes comparible to other teams but in the end they are so close that the extra loss counts them out of being ahead of the 4-loss teams. MSU is the 5-loss team you are mainly talking about. Well MSU beat 4/5 top 25 teams. Louisville beat 2. Louisville has 2 losses outside the top 25 rpi, MSU only has 1. While that isn't much it is more than enough for MSU to be ahead now. It is even enough for MSU to be ahead of a bunch of other teams like Michigan. There isn't much separating Louisville as a possible 4 seed right now and the teams at the top of the #2 seed line of bottom of the #1 seed line but most can clearly see that there is a difference. A game or two by all the teams can chage that dramatically right away though. Louisville is clearly in the hunt for a #1 and it isn't just an outside shot. They are only a loss or two by certain teams away from controlling their own destiny in becoming a #1 seed.

I'm not sure if I'd call Boise State a good win, They're likely an NIT team. If your MSU, that should be expected. I think Michigan State needs to win 3 of 4 and then the Big 10 tourney to get a 1 seed. If they lose to IU for a 3rd time there's no chance they get a 1 seed. No team has ever gotten a 1 seed after losing to the same team 3 times. That said, I'll be penciling Michigan State in as a final 4 team because I believe the 3 best teams in the country are in the Big 10.

How bad is that Charlotte loss for Butler in anyone's opinion?

Boise is a top 50 rpi team. That is a good win. Plus although there are arguements, right now they are a tourney team, not NIT.
The race for a #1 seed is so tight it is still too soon to make assumptions outside if you say a certain team wins out.

And what about Davidson to college of Charleston??? They always have a solid team, but in no way possible should beat Davidson TWICE!!!!

How bad is that Charlotte loss for Butler in anyone's opinion?

Not bad at all. Charlotte is a team that many people have in today. However it is bad in a sense that it'll likely keep them from getting one of the top 2 seeds. If any loss really hurts them it is the one to Xavier.

Misinformation from a drunk friend....lol.... Who did they just beat that was a bubble??? CofC?

And what about Davidson to college of Charleston??? They always have a solid team, but in no way possible should beat Davidson TWICE!!!!

Says who? They don't have Steph Curry anymore. Plus look at Old Dominion. They used to be consistently good and now they are garbage. Davidson was good with Curry and without him they were nothing special. This isn't Gonzaga we are talking about.

Misinformation from a drunk friend....lol.... Who did they just beat that was a bubble??? CofC?

Ya I was wondering since Davidson swept them, but my point still holds true. CoC**** beat Baylor at Baylor.

You really think Butler would be a 2 if not for UNC Charlotte, Joe? I'm surprised by that one!

CofC. Wow take away the f and it gets censored since it thinks you are saying another word for rooster.