List of the top 10 Head Coaches in NFL history

"If that's true that's a good point. Can anyone confirm this?".............. Dungy himself credits the defense to the Steelers. It's a scheme they employed in the 70s and reintroduce in the 90s in Tampa. Hence the name.

If that's true that's a good point. Can anyone confirm this?











I think it was Carson (under Noll) actually but yeah, basically true 

Oh I disagree. Kyle, you bragged about the 'Boys of the 60's and said they were great. I asked for proof and you gave me Landry's overall record.

They were great in the 60's.  That's when Landry started succeeding was in the mid 60's and it lasted all the way through the mid 80's due to what PitSteel said...he was great at looking to the future and always had a plan in place for when his players got too old. 

You can't say the Cowboys of the 60's were all that great - they didn't win a single Lombardi.

You don't have to win a Lombardi to be considered great.  Wake up, the world is NOT black and white.  Dan Marino was great and no Lombardis.  The point is Landry always fielded great teams, whether it be because of his great eye for talent/innovations/etc.  Noll had his 8 years in the sun with that ridiculously talented team he had from '72-79 but what about before the super bowl years?  After?  Nothing.  He was mediocre at best outside of those 8 years. 

. And yes, Danny White was something to sneeze at. He wasn't that great either. You're reaching here.

It's no reach.  He's nowhere near HOF worthy but for his time he was good.  Better than this Malone guy you mention whom you claim to have a qb rating of 93 when in reality it was 62.  Big difference there.

So since your point was that Landry had more talent, and mine is that Noll still beat him - I'd say that Noll did a better job of coaching. Think about it: Noll beat Landry with a LESS talented squad. Right? OK then, advandage Noll. If you consistantly beat another coach with a less talented team, you're a better coach. Thanks for playing.

So is that how you come up with your list of all time great coaches?  You look at the win/loss record against other coaches and that's the deciding factor?  Wow.  So like I said, Switzer was greater than Cowher.  I never knew that. 

I think the Tampa 2 is largely credited to Bud Carson.  Landry's 4-3 was brought from the Giants when he was D coordinator there.

I think it was Carson (under Noll) actually but yeah, basically true 

Bud Carson, there's a name I haven't heard in awhile. Good stuff guys, thanks.

Maybe I will have to give Noll a little more credit but I would still take Landry over Noll.

"I think it was Carson (under Noll) actually but yeah, basically true.".................Carson was the DC yes under Noll. But that's like saying the Tampa 2 was Kiffen not Dungy, or lovie not Kiffen, etc........Dungy credits Noll, that said there is no doubt Noll and Carson collaborated on it.

For the record I would rank Landry higher than Noll as well. But to act as if Noll just showed up and did nothing in terms of the game is a stretch.

Dungy credits Noll, that said there is no doubt Noll and Carson collaborated on it.

They collarborated on it once Carson got there in '72, but you can't say that Noll came up with the system, and that's what's important.  Landry came up with this system when he was D coordinator for the Giants. 

Landry built the 4-3 defense around me. It revolutionized defense and opened the door for all the variations of zones and man-to-man coverage, which are used in conjunction with it today. —Sam Huff[]

And they are still using it today.  That's why I say Landry changed the game.

For the record I would rank Landry higher than Noll as well. But to act as if Noll just showed up and did nothing in terms of the game is a stretch.

Well that's the thing.  Nobody is acting like Noll just showed up and was gifted a great team.  Hell I said he's a top ten coach of all time, but someone from your very fandom took offense to that somehow. 

First off the origins of the 4-3 are murky as to who actually started it. There were guys like Ramsey, George, and Landry, all getting credit. Second most everything in football in a collaboration of some sort. You can dispute the origins all you want but Dungy gives credit to Noll for the defense.

"Well that's the thing.  Nobody is acting like Noll just showed up and was gifted a great team.  Hell I said he's a top ten coach of all time, but someone from your very fandom took offense to that somehow."............. Maybe because you try to deflect away from what he brought. By saying things like Carson deserves credit for the Steel curtain/Tampa 2 not Noll. Can't really have it both ways.

Maybe because you try to deflect away from what he brought. By saying things like Carson deserves credit for the Steel curtain/Tampa 2 not Noll. Can't really have it both ways.

Giving Noll credit for the Tampa 2 would be like giving Paul Brown credit for the west coast offense while Walsh was developing it in Cincinnati.

He didn't "bring" the defense to Pittsburgh.  He brought greatness in other ways, but to say he brought the Tampa 2 to Pittsburgh is crazy. 

But aside from that, she took umbradge before we discussed who brought what defense.

By saying things like Carson deserves credit for the Steel curtain/Tampa 2 not Noll.

This coming from a guy who says Bill Belichick deserves the credit for Super Bowls won when Bill Parcells was the head coach.

Nope, no hypocrisy there...

"But aside from that, she took umbradge before we discussed who brought what defense."................I used this topic as a example of why the poster may take "umbrage" with your opinions.

"This coming from a guy who says Bill Belichick deserves the credit for Super Bowls won when Bill Parcells was the head coach."................First off I never said BB deserves credit for those bowls alone. I just posed the question what has Parcels won without BB on staff? If you want to say the same about Noll with Carson it's valid. But again we aren't talking about Carson and top 10 HCs all time like the topic was when I made that assesment now are we?

Actually my bad Axe can't even say that about Noll/Carson I forgot Carson left in 77 so Noll won two without him. It also a stretch to give credit to the DB coach alone for the scheme Kylew which is what Carson was in 72.

Actually my bad Axe can't even say that about Noll/Carson I forgot Carson left in 77 so Noll won two without him.

Means zero. What, did Noll abandon that defense when Carson left? 

That's like ranking Barry Switzer as a great coach because he won a Super Bowl.

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Poor axe still suffering from the reality of my comment. Again said it before and say it again. It's not a knock on the tuna but more support for BB against those who don't think he is top 10. As for fat boy I have said I can live with him on the list or off doesn't matter to me.