Warmack is considered by many to be the best prospect in the entire draft. The only reason he isn't being considered #1 overall is because he plays Guard and it isn't a position that is ever drafted at the top of the draft. But as you said -- the Lions draft the BPA.
THAT is why I said Warmack should be the choice, because he will almost certainly be the BPA when the Lions draft.<span style="color: #333333;">What makes you think he'll almost certainly be the top player? What if Fisher or Joeckel are there still at #5?
The Lions drafted Reiff to be their left tackle of the future. We've heard it many times on this board from the fans. Now we are talking about moving him to Guard. Are you telling me a 1st round pick can't beat out a 35 year old LT?!?<span style="color: #333333;">No, what I'm telling you, again (but you refuse to acknowledge(sp) it), is that the Lions are looking at moving him to RG if they're able to draft one of the stud LTs available in this draft.
Warmack is considered by many to be the best prospect in the entire draft. The only reason he isn't being considered #1 overall is because he plays Guard and it isn't a position that is ever drafted at the top of the draft. But as you said -- the Lions draft the BPAAnd the other two names that are being thrown arond a lot as the top prospect in the draft are Joeckel and Fisher.
So I'll apply your logic to either of those two as well. If it makes sense to take Warmack if he's the top player, then it certainly makes sense to take a left tackle if he's the top player, right?What makes you think he'll almost certainly be the top player? What if Fisher or Joeckel are there still at #5?
The Lions drafted Reiff to be their left tackle of the future. We've heard it many times on this board from the fans. Now we are talking about moving him to Guard. Are you telling me a 1st round pick can't beat out a 35 year old LT?!?No, what I'm telling you, again (but you refuse to acknowledge(sp) it), is that the Lions are looking at moving him to RG if they're able to draft one of the stud LTs available in this draft.
If I am wrong -- feel free to tell me. How many games did Reiff start on the offensive line? How many plays a game did he play on the offensive line? He was used a 6th offensive linemen in a few packages. That is it.It depends on if you want to call his position a TE or an extra o-lineman. Since you called him an extra o-lineman in those packages that's what I'll roll with.
There is no such thing as a luxury pick, if you talk to fans on this board. I do agree, it was a luxury pick and it worked out well for the Lions as they played great in 2012 and obviously didn't need help anywhere.The term "luxury pick" is just something made up by fans to define a pick they don't agree with when they think we have bigger needs elsewhere.
It worked out as well as the other luxury picks, like Titus Young and Ryan Broyles.
Personally, I don't think it is going to matter with Fisher or Joeckel. I just cannot see the Lions spending another pick on an OL
I would base it upon the fact the Lions can field an offensive line with Reiff, Hillyard, Raiola, Sims, Nagy. Not the greatest but one that looks somewhat like a unit and I am not even including Fox.The problem with that theory is that you're looking at needs to try to determine who we will draft.
The Lions can't field a viable defensive End Unit with just Willie Young, who isn't a vialble starter in my opinion. The fact the Lions only have two LBs that are NFL starting caliber, and they don't have a safety unt worth spit.
The other issue I keep wndering why the talk of mving Reiff inside if we draft Joeckel or Fisher. I would think it would make more sense to just move Reiff to RT and not resign Backus or Godsur. Save money and let him play a position he has for the last 5 yearsThe talk of moving Reiff in to guard (if, and only if, we draft a LT at #5) is because we have two good candidates to play RT (Fox and Reiff) but nobody at RG. Reiff profiles well as an interior lineman, better than FOx does, so he's the logical one to move out of the two of them.
Fair eneough but the same can be said of best player available!
And it's all good TPaul I like the discussions when we don't all agree! It's a problem when it gets personel when you can't argue a position so you trash the poster! And I am not talking about you, I find I have t start giving disclaimers when talking about the draft as we tend to get somewhat hostile with each other!
Nagy has been mentioned as a guard prospect that we thought highly of to the point we paid him on IR last year. He can play both center and Guard and I will just gloss over Austin.It looks like they have Nagy earmarked for center. Reports around the time of Railoa's re-structuring were that Nagy and Dom will compete for the starting spot this year. Dom's new contract makes it so that he can be cut without absorbing a big cap hit this year.
and yet not one starting DE signed or the OLB addressed. When Jones is mentioned as the best player in the draft he is in play for OLB. Dee Milliner as the best DB, Moore, Werner, Womack, Mingo all guys that grade out and get mentioned in the same tier as Joeckel and Fisher.I won't disagree with any of that... all of those guys look to be in play at the #5 pick. All I was saying is not to let need sway your thought process when trying to peg whom we will draft at #5. We have enough needs that all those positions are equally feasable, but eliminating a tackle from the discussion because of bigger needs at DE is unwise.
The difference is that one is a term made up by the fans. The other is an actual term used to describe the way the majority of the teams in the NFL approach the draft...Luxury pick isn't a term made up by fans. They use the term quite often during the draft coverage each year. Just one example, San Francisco's 1st pick last year -- AJ Jenkins, I believe was his name. They called it a luxury pick, as the 49ers didn't have any holes to fill and they could draft player to groom with one of their top picks.
JDW126: and not resign Backus or Godsur. Save money and let him play a position he has for the last 5 years. Or are we resigning Backus and deciding on Fisher or Joeckel to RT?Backus is under contract for 2013.
MikeD5405: You make the statement that most teams won't start rookies on the Offensive Line.No clause with that? ...like maybe "unless they had too." It was right there in my statement your hounding me about. I jacked your 10 examples up and now you can't grasp or admit the double standards your using between Reiff and your examples. Your examples beat out backups for the starting position which the positions were already open in almost every one of 'em. Without the huge Rookie contracts these days, perhaps with the new salary scale comes a new trend.
Raiola signing for an affordable contract pretty much puts him in place to be the stater this season, probably his last.That's what I thought too, but they reported that it's structured as such that it makes it easy to cut him if Nagy beats him out. They said this will be the first year in a long time that there will be open competition for the center spot...
I would not classify either as a Joe Thomas or Jake Long draft status. Both good, both best in this class but neither must have guys.The draft pundits would disagree with you there. They have both guys in the Joe Thomas range coming out. I would hope both guys are better than Long, if they're being drafted that high. He had a few good years and then washed out big-time. Maybe he'll regain his old form, but he's cost himself a ton of money with his play over the last two seasons...