Astros owner to fans regarding team payroll

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Astros owner to fans regarding team payroll

March 14, 2013 7:02 pm

Yes, the Houston Astros have the smallest payroll in baseball. Yes, A-Rod will make more than their entire team this season. Yes, they're likely to lose the most games in 2013 (again).

And no, owner Jim Crane, doesn't plan on ponying up any more cash to appease fans upset at the team's frugal $25 million roster. In fact, he told the [Wall Street Journal]:

"It doesn't bother me that people want us to spend more money," Crane said. "But it's not their money. This is a private company, even though it's got a public flair to it. If they want to write a check for 10 million bucks, they can give me a call."

Too bad most everyone is so poor nowadays.  If this were the tech boom of the 1990's, we just might have some young dumb, newly rich kid to take him up on this.......

bigdmgr
SinceAug 15, 2006
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Astros owner to fans regarding team payroll

March 14, 2013 7:14 pm

the coin flip, of not having a salary cap. I hope he squezes every penny he can out of that team. The player's greed bites them in the end. Good for ARod, sucks for Altuve.
The Iron Horse
SinceMay 10, 2009
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Astros owner to fans regarding team payroll

March 14, 2013 7:17 pm

I wonder if it'll bother him when no one shows up at the park to watch his crappy team.
Bulldog1008
SinceMay 12, 2010
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Astros owner to fans regarding team payroll

March 14, 2013 7:20 pm

I wonder if it'll bother him when no one shows up at the park to watch his crappy team.
l.o.l

The funny thing about that is, they don't have to show up to watch his team.  If other teams "travel well" he can get a full house that way.  I am thinking first of the Rangers, then, of teams like the Red Sox & Yankees.
bigdmgr
SinceAug 15, 2006
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Astros owner to fans regarding team payroll

March 14, 2013 7:22 pm

I would think the American League would cost more?   Whose bright idea was that? 
Michael Monar
SinceJan 20, 2008
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Astros owner to fans regarding team payroll

March 14, 2013 7:23 pm

The funny thing about that is, they don't have to show up to watch his team.  If other teams "travel well" he can get a full house that way.  I am thinking first of the Rangers, then, of teams like the Red Sox & Yankees.


"Welcome to Petco Park!" 
Michael Monar
SinceJan 20, 2008
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Astros owner to fans regarding team payroll

March 14, 2013 7:38 pm

"Welcome to Petco Park!" 
It happens in all sports, I am pretty sure.  The bottom dwellers of the world make what money they do by catering to the opposing teams.  I have seen this myself at Arizona Cards football games, where there are more Cowboy fans at their games than Cards fans.

Sucks for home team fans, but the owners think all of their money, both home and away folks, looks and spends just the same.
bigdmgr
SinceAug 15, 2006
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Astros owner to fans regarding team payroll

March 14, 2013 8:16 pm


"Welcome to Petco Park!" 
I think you mean AT&T south .
Willie Dog
SinceOct 1, 2010
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Astros owner to fans regarding team payroll

March 14, 2013 8:19 pm

I believe Deadspin did a study, and the Marlins owner made the most money from any owner a few years, by having the lowest payroll, and despite having a terrible attendance. Is like the premise of The Producer, make more money from a flop than from a hit.
The Iron Horse
SinceMay 10, 2009
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Astros owner to fans regarding team payroll

March 14, 2013 8:19 pm

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Michael Monar
SinceJan 20, 2008
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Astros owner to fans regarding team payroll

March 15, 2013 7:43 am

It's not their money?  Well, if people don't buy your merchandise and tickets you do lose a lot of money... So in a way it is.  Besides don't you want people to show up?  isn't that your job if you want to make more money?
redseat
SinceOct 19, 2007
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Astros owner to fans regarding team payroll

March 15, 2013 9:07 am

Its easy to say spend money... But if a team like Houston even tried to spend money this season they would still be terrible, they have too many holes that a good off season would not fix, and therefore people would still not be coming to games...  I have no problem with teams spending near nothing as long as when it looks like they can finally compete then they are willing to raise their payroll to get some good free agents(not the great ones)...    A team in rebuilding mode, i am ok with them paying nothing, just dont stay in rebuilding mode for too long...
yanksfan92
SinceDec 29, 2008
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Astros owner to fans regarding team payroll

March 15, 2013 10:21 am

A team in rebuilding mode, i am ok with them paying nothing, just dont stay in rebuilding mode for too long...
Like, say,....the Royals?
bigdmgr
SinceAug 15, 2006
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Astros owner to fans regarding team payroll

March 15, 2013 11:04 am

The Royals are going for it this season though... and i am excited for them, lets see what 10+ years of rebuilding does to a team... 
yanksfan92
SinceDec 29, 2008
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Astros owner to fans regarding team payroll

March 15, 2013 11:15 am

The Rays were rebuilding forever too, but then they weren't. Althought, now, it looks like they are somewhere in between. I heard that the Stros have the best farm system, and they should be seeing their top prospects pretty soon. Either way, I think a major fix for baseball would be a salary cap.
The Iron Horse
SinceMay 10, 2009
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Astros owner to fans regarding team payroll

March 15, 2013 11:25 am

Either way, I think a major fix for baseball would be a salary cap.
I can only get behind a cap if there is also a floor.  That way, you could force teams to close the gap in payroll, meaning the Dodgers would get to spend less, and the Astros would have to spend much more.


It's not going to happen ever.  It would, if I were king for a day though.......
bigdmgr
SinceAug 15, 2006
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Astros owner to fans regarding team payroll

March 15, 2013 4:25 pm

Michael Monar,

It was "Czar" Selig's bright idea to have balanced leagues after 14 years or so of unbalanced leagues.  It was also his "bright" idea to hold the sale of the Astros ransom as a condition of moving the Astros and its 60 years of NL history to the AL.  MLB set the price of the Astros at $680 million, which many baseball experts have said it was overpriced especially since MLB did to the Astros farm system that it did to the Expos before they were sold.  However, if Jim Crane was "willing" to switch leagues, then MLB would offer a $70 "discount" and drop the price down to $610 million.  Also, it is my understanding that while MLB was reviewing the various bids and it is my understanding that Crane's group was the highest bid at $610 million.  If MLB wanted to have balanced leagues, then why not move the Brewers (which Selig is a minor owner of) back or move either the Diamondbacks or Rockies since both teams came into the league during the 1990s.  One reason I have heard that Selig was eager to "voluneteer" the Brewers to switch leagues in 1998 or 1999 is because it would allow the club to dramatic reduce its payroll (no DH).

You are correct that AL payrolls have the greater potential to be higher than NL payrolls because of the DH.  Even though very few teams have a dedicated DH now, that position has a tendency to be used to sign veteran players who can still hit and is no longer able to play a field position on a regular basis.  For example, Houston pursued Lance Berkman to be their DH and part-time 1B, but he decided to sign 1 year $10 million contract with Texas to play the same positions (maybe spot duty in the OF).

vthokies1977
SinceSep 15, 2010
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Astros owner to fans regarding team payroll

March 15, 2013 4:38 pm

Bulldog1008,

I would not assume that all Astros fans are staying away only because the team is crappy.  It is possible that some are doing it as a protest for MLB's dumb decision to no longer have a NL team in the state of Texas too.  Not only did MLB sacrifice 60 years of NL rivalries and place the Astros in a west division that it has nothing in common with, but now any NL fans who want to see their teams play will have to travel to either Arizona, Colorado, St. Louis, or Atlanta to watch their teams play live (assuming they don't want to wait until they play the Astros or Rangers).  It is fine to not have a AL team in PA because it is within driving distance from anywhere within the state to a city with a AL team (i.e. Cleveland, New York, Baltimore, and maybe Boston).  At least by moving the Diamondback or Rockies to the AL there is a little more history and those teams could be paired up as protected interleague rivals with the Astros and Rangers maintaining their protected interleague rivalry.  Now MLB has the Astros/Rangers paired up with the Diamondbacks/Rockies to where one is protected in even years and the other protected in odd years (identical to what MLB does with Braves, Phillies, Red Sox, and Blue Jays).  Every other team has 1 protected rivalry (even the oddball Padres-Mariners' rivalry). 

vthokies1977
SinceSep 15, 2010
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Astros owner to fans regarding team payroll

March 15, 2013 6:58 pm

At the end of the day, he's right. It's his money. Kudos to him and Lunhow for sticking the course on rebuilding. Astros minor league system was rated #30 in the MLB just a few years ago, now it's up to #9. That's a big improvement. Just need to develop these guys and get them on the field the next few seasons. 

Anyway, why spend money now? All a stud pitcher or solid bat would do is provide a few more wins for the team...and when you are dead last it doesn't mean much.  
houstros
SinceSep 24, 2006