bsting, isn't he already mentally ill....
Actually in its early years the NRA had no problems with some gun regulations ...
Without pay.Not true. Once the budget/spending measure has been signed and the government "re-opens", military service members are given full back pay for the time they worked.
Did you miss my second reponse to this.No.
Many many states had employees furloughed during the last shutdown...things will NOT run as normal. And if you have been reading up on this there is a chance (depending on how long the Government is shut down) that this would in fact hurt SS recipieants as well."States" are not what we are talking about. The Federal government is what is in danger of shutting down, not state governments.
Again as I say, Boehner was the #4 man (power-wise) during Newts tenure. The shutdown then did nothing for the Republicans. And when they are floundering now and trying to re-focus on a direction to attract new voters, this would not be the way to do it. With a year to go before re-election this would not be the way to do things.So ? I don't care. It's bad as a negotiation tool, I agree. My only observation had been that making such an admonition that you're willing to place the federal government in a shutdown / slowdown is neither apocalyptic or treasonous, as DB3 stated. Do you really wish to belabor that point ?
Misty--IMO unfortunately, the GOP is making every effort to make this a game of power (again) and it's not going to work now any better than it did the last time especially when most of this huge debt rests solely on the GOPI agree. Both parties are acting like spoiled children. Again.
I got you rattled tool...... Can you please get back to the name calling... I kinda miss that because it shows how shallow your mind is ROOKIE........When you can read and write at a 4th grade level, maybe you can come back. Until then, leave grown-up discussions to the grown-ups.
And who has to sign said budget spending measures? I don't really believe that you think Obama has the balls just to let this whole thing collapse in the House's lap.Red, that's just too bad. Government simply doesn't work that way. Obama can't even propose budget spending measures. Such a bill has to start in the House; Obama's ability to sign or veto it is largely secondary. You're the deluded one if you truly believe he'll mint a trillion dollar platinum coin or invoke the 14th Amendment, seizing fiat control of the Congress.
You and many like you just don't get it. Right or wrong, good or bad, Obama is going to get what he wants for a legacy. He's been re-elected. He'll let the house shut down the government (if they are dumb enough to try it), and then he'll wait. hey it's no sweat off his back. You and I are stuck with him for four more years. The GOP has nothing to fall back on if Obama stands his ground.Dummy. I voted for Obama. He was the lesser of two evils. I know full well the mess the country's in, and that the GOP likely would have made it worse, had they controlled the White House. That does not mean I worship the ground Obama walks on. Get it through your head- there are more than two perspectives in the United States.
misty I like debating with you but there is a part of the word stupid you just don't get. Go back and review the last time there was the bigger shutdown. Most if not all states had federal employees that were laid off.Your entire premise is faulty. States don't have Federal employees. Federal employees weren't laid off; a furlough is not the same thing.
Now pray tell where are these people going to get help until their jobs are back? "Just" the federal government especially with that many people nation wide and with a government shutsown? So who else are these people going to rely on? State governments who are still reeling from this recession. Ding Ding Ding Second issue you haven't figured out.Your reasoning makes zero sense, Red. We're not even talking about state governments ! State governments aren't even supposed to rely upon the federal government for funding; they are funded by state taxes.
Wrong again should the shutdown last more than a coule of weeks. After that amount of time, you either give the benefits to those that need it the most OR or across the board trim benefits for all until said government stoppage ceases. I'm beginning to think you weren't old enough to know what transpired in the '90's.Okay, prove it. Show me how during the 1995-96 shutdown, Social Security recipients NEVER received their benefit checks.
I never gave my feelings on what DB3 believes or doesn't bnelieve. But this time around especially with the fragility of the economy it could very well be apocalyptic. Newt had an advantage of playing these games in the nineties because we had a very strong economy. That is not the case now. I'd be willing to bet I've been around the block a few more times than you have. At a ceertain point in time even YOU have to realize that a shutdown is not going to work/succeed.....SorryReally ? I'd wager I've been a federal employee more years than you. You jumped into the discussion as I was rejecting DB3's notion that a admonition of a government shutdown was neither apocalyptic or treasonous. As I've already said, I DON'T BELIEVE IT IS A VALID NEGOTIATION TACTIC.
Wrong again it's the GOP that AGAIN is acting like a spoiled brat. They failed with this tactic in the '90's and it's going to happen again if they opt to do it. Especially now with more at stake. Big issue or small issue EVERY party has the opportunity to pick and choose its' battles. And yet almost to an issue the GOP makes this a battle win/lose NEVER compromise. The party is on the Titanic, they can change course or they will sink. And on this ship there are not going to be any lifeboats.So you'll pretend both parties aren't to blame. Great. I don't trust the Republicans one bit that they want a balanced budget either. But it's insane that Democrats won't even consider alternatives to raising the debt ceiling, as they've gleefully voted to do so for 30+ years (since the National Debt skyrocketed).
No. There are far to many exceptions to that idea than not. If for no other reason our economy is rebounding despite the deficit. Especially if you're implying that if we add to the budget (for whatever reasons as in spending) we have to cut an equal amount from the budget. That will not succeed. This will last until the next "war" we get into.Red, this isn't about the economy. The federal government has very limited control over the engines of capitalism which drive the country's economy. This is an issue of national security. If the government keeps borrowing money in such an unsustainable manner, we don't just raise the potential for hyperinflation, we make it a sure thing.
and you will act as their Great Rehabilitator?
should obvious cheaters and liars be 1st ballot HOF's....I say no....when they come clean...then they will get in, but not before that happens....continue the lies and get in line behind Rose...if Bonds and Sosa and McGwire and others all cheated, then how is it fair to Hank Aaron and his records???
State governments aren't even supposed to rely upon the federal government for funding; they are funded by state taxes.