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January 25, 2013 7:09 am

Fascism is Merely Heretical Communism, Like Liberalism

Posted by [Tony Listi] on May 29, 2008

How many times have you heard a liberal call a conservative a “fascist” or “neo-fascist”? The Left apparently thinks that only right-wingers can be fascists. But the truth is that fascism is wholly a product of the Left, not the Right, side of the political spectrum. Only liberals can be fascists because modern American liberalism is a product of communist and fascist ideology.

This can be most clearly and immediately seen by examining the term “[Nazism],” which is actually short-hand for National Socialism in German. The [Nazi Party]was the National Socialist German Workers’ Party. Socialism is an ideology of the Left! Communism is global socialism, and fascism is national socialism. The ONLY real difference between the two is one of scope and geography.

Mussolini: Communist Heretic
Benito Amilcare Andrea Mussolini, dictator of fascist Italy and conventionally labeled the father of fascism (the term “fascism” is Italian in origin), was a lifelong socialist and follower of Karl Marx. He was named after two socialists: Amilcare Cipriani and Andrea Costa. His father was a stalwart socialist who was a member of the [First International] and served on the local socialist council. His father read him passages from [Das Kapital] (I know that’s what I read when I want to put myself to sleep, haha). Benito started early in his socialist activism: he called himself a socialist while in high school and became the secretary of a socialist organization at Forli at the age of 18.

In his youth, he carried a medallion of Karl Marx. He also became close friends with [Angelica Balabanoff], a longtime colleague of Lenin. In fact, Lenin and Mussolini were mutual admirers. Lenin wrote, “Mussolini? A great pity he is lost to us! He is a strong man, who would have led our party to victory.”

Mussolini seriously began his political career as a left-wing journalist and intellectual. He was very well read in socialist theory. He wrote countless socialist tracts and articles that both examined and translated socialist literature. In 1911, he became the editor of La lotta di classe (Class War), which served as a mouthpiece for the Italian Socialist Party. In 1912, he attended a Socialist congress.

Leading socialist Olindo Vernocchi said, “From today you, Benito, are not only the representative of the Romagna Socialists but the Duce of all revolutionary socialists in Italy.” This was how he received the nickname Il Duce, literally “the leader.” He was the Duce of Socialism!

[Leda Rafanelli], an anarchist intellectual, wrote “Benito Mussolini…is the socialist of heroic times.”

Mussolini joined the formal leadership of the Italian Socialist Party and became editor of its paper called [Avanti!] , which would become socialist gospel for a whole generation of socialists. Lenin would comment approvingly of Mussolini’s efforts in [Pravda].

Mussolini’s break with strict, dogmatic socialism would begin with the outbreak of World War I. His support of the war contravened the principle of international solidarity and the elimination of national borders (nationality itself to be precise). He saw it as a practical necessity, but he received a backlash from hardline believers. He responded, “You hate me today because you love me still. Whatever happens, you won’t lose me. Twelve years of my life in the party ought to be sufficient guarantee of my socialist faith. Socialism is in my blood.” Again, he countered, “You think you can turn me out, but you will find I shall come back again. I am and shall remain a socialist and my convictions will never change! They are bred into my very bones.”

Mussolini did not move to the right or radically change his political philosophy. He merely rejected one tenet of orthodox Marxism: class must come before nationality or any other group identity. “I saw that internationalism was crumbling,” Mussolini later observed. “The sentiment of nationality exists and cannot be denied.” He thought it was “utterly foolish” to believe that class consciousness could trump national loyalties and culture. Thus was born national socialism, a modification from traditional socialism only in the sense that it was less ambitious in scope and recognized that the natural power of nationalism could be harnessed as a means to socialist ends. Thus Mussolini said that its was “necessary to assassinate the Party in order to save Socialism.” It was this little heresy that would divide Europe’s socialists. And the Italian people would choose national socialism (fascism) over international socialists and communists.

And thus Mussolini came to power as a very popular dictator. He proceeded to create a totalitarian state (a term that he coined) as communism requires: “Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State.” There was hardly a difference between it and the Soviet Union with regard to policy. The State would control everything and had the final authority.

Before his death, he selected a socialist journalist to record some of his last thoughts and wishes: “I bequeath the republic to the republicans not to the monarchists, and the work of social reform to the socialists and not to the middle classes.”

Hitler: Man of the Left
Hitler wrote approvingly of Italian fascism in Mein Kampf: “The appearance of a new and great idea was the secret of success in the French Revolution. The Russian Revolution owes its triumph to an idea. And it was only the idea that enabled Fascism triumphantly to subject a whole nation to a process of complete renovation.” He realized the necessity of having an idea that would arouse the masses.

For years historians have tried to portray Nazism as the polar opposite of Communism. The role of industrialists has been exaggerated while the clear and substantial socialist aspects of Nazism have been ignored or downplayed. Nazism did not destroy the communist Left in Germany; it merely replaced the communists on the Left side of the spectrum in Germany. The fact of the matter is that the working classes (the bloc that typically supported the communists) comprised a substantial part of the Nazis electoral base. German Nazism and Italian Fascism were both populist movements that attracted support from all levels of society. Moreover, the industrial sector came to support Hitler much later than the working masses. Businesses hopped on the band wagon when they saw it was in their best interests.

Like any good leftist, Hitler was a revolutionary and exploited anti-capitalist rhetoric in his rise to power. He despised the bourgeoisie, traditionalists, aristocrats, monarchists, and all believers in the established order. Because he wished to remake German society entirely, he was no conservative! He wrote in Mein Kampf, “Either the German youth will one day create a new State founded on the racial idea or they will be the last witnesses of the complete breakdown and death of the bourgeoisie world.” He rejected traditional Christianity; he wanted to revive Germany’s so-called pre-Christian authenticity, or in other words, to create a modern paganism. He was well read in German mythology and pseudo-history. His idols were [Georg Ritter von Schonerer] and [Dr. Karl Lueger].

He rhetoric mirrored Lenin’s: “Our bourgeoisie is already worthless for any noble human endeavor.” Once he was entrenched in power he clarified his opposition to communism thus: “Had communism really intended nothing more than a certain purification by eliminating isolated rotten elements from among the ranks of our so-called ‘upper ten thousand’ or our equally worthless Philistines, one could have sat back quietly and looked on for awhile.” Hitler didn’t disagree with the German communists in principle or policy, especially with regard to economics; he was enraged at their undermining of Germany with strikes during WW I and antiwar mobilization. He thought they were part of a coalition that had stabbed Germany in the back. Indeed, Hitler often spoke with grudging admiration of Stalin and the communists. Hitler studied Marxism, which both fascinated and repulsed him, appreciating its ideas but becoming utterly convinced that Marx was the architect of some Jewish plot.

Hitler entered the Nazi Party because of a talk given by [Gottfried Feder] entitled “How and by What Means is Capitalism to be Eliminated?” The party stood for everything he believed in, and thus started his career as the party’s best salesman. The Nazis campaigned as socialists.
What exactly did the party stand for? Its [platform] included:

“We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens. If it is impossible to sustain the total population of the State, then the members of foreign nations (non-citizens) are to be expelled from the Reich.” Sounds like nanny state liberalism.

“Abolition of unearned (work and labor) incomes. Breaking of rent-slavery.” Can you say death tax and rent control?

“We demand the nationalization of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).” That doesn’t sound free market.

“We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries” Hmmm, a “windfall” profits tax?

“We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.” Sounds like FDR’s Social Security, no?

“The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program…. The comprehension of the concept of the State must be striven for by the school as early as the beginning of understanding. We demand the education at the expense of the State….” Sounds like a government monopoly on the schools. Isn’t that what Democrats are for?

“The State is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young.” Hmmm, you think Hitler would have banned trans fats?

“…a lasting recovery of our nation can only succeed from within on the framework: The good of the state before the good of the individual.” This is what liberals mean when they say “the common good.”

“For the execution of all of this we demand the formation of a strong central power in the Reich.” Centralization of power in the national government? Does that sound right-wing to you?

Read the [platform] for yourself. There is nothing conservative about it.

Racism was not an element of fascism originally in Italy. Anti-Semitism was an innovation of Hitler’s. Mussolini considered it a silly distraction. But Hitler’s identity politics was powerful and successful (hmmm, which modern American political party practices identity politics?). Of course, anti-Semitism is by no means a right-wing phenomenon. We should not forget that Stalin and Karl Marx himself hated Jews. Jews were seen (and are still seen today to some extent) as the archetypal capitalists. Thus it was only natural that the Left, including Hitler, should hate them!

Nationalism isn’t inherently right-wing at all either. Consider Stalin, Castro, Arafat, Hugo Chavez, Che Guevara, Pol Pot, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, and John F. Kennedy. The only reason nationalism came to be seen as right-wing is because the communists, who were internationalists, labeled the fascists as right-wing. Why the heck should we be adopting the political lens of communism in order to find out what fascism really is?!

Nazi ideologist [Gregor Strasser] was straightforward about it: “We are socialists. We are enemies, deadly enemies, of today’s capitalist economic system with its exploitation of the economically weak, its unfair wage system, its immoral way of judging the worth of human beings in terms of their wealth and their money, instead of their responsibility and their performance, and we are determined to destroy this system whatever happens!”

Hitler dedicates an entire chapter in his Mein Kampf to how the Nazis can appropriate socialist and communist imagery, rhetoric, and ideas to attract leftists to the party. The Nazis made use of the color red deliberately: “In red we see the social idea of the movement, in white the nationalistic idea, in the swastika the mission of the struggle for the victory of the Aryan man.”
Hitler would often exaggerate his identity as an “ex-worker”: “I was a worker in my youth like you, slowly working my way upward by industry, by study, and I think I can say as well by hunger.”

Fascism and communism are kindred spirits. As communist ideologue [Karl Radek] noted, “Fascism is middle class Socialism….”

(Reference [Liberal Fascism] by Jonah Goldberg) 

Hop0nPop
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January 25, 2013 10:41 am

Perhaps this will improve your unpleasent disposition...

NEWSFLASH....OBAMA WINS!!!!....AGAIN.......CLOWN POSSE, WRONG AGAIN, SO IN OTHER WORDS, S-T-F-U, AND GO SIT DOWN FOR THE NEXT 4 YEARS...DISPOSITION THAT!!!...LOL




bsting3d
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January 25, 2013 11:27 am

I got it.  Obama won.  


Life goes on.


There is a unique smell to the Pacific Ocean.


The sea salt in the air of Malibu.



Don't get all bent out of shape.

Don't blow a gasket.



Be happy.  Cool
Hop0nPop
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January 25, 2013 12:18 pm

Life goes on....

...yeah, kinda what we've been saying since 2008....I guess you're finally getting it...so tell your old buddys in the Republican Congress that the angry old white man act ain't working anymore....(see Benghazi hearings)....its 2013, time for an attitude adjustment..the smell of victory is pretty nice, especially when its TWICE...the taste of defeat must be pretty stale, when it continues to say YOUR CLOWN POSSE FAILS..lol

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January 25, 2013 12:18 pm

Nakhon Sawan Province, also known as "Pak Nam Pho", is where the rivers of Ping, Wang, Yom, and Nan converge and form the Chao Phraya River, the most important waterway of Thailand.

Nakhon Sawan is in the lower northern part of the country between [Northern Thailand] and the [Central Plains]. It is regarded as "the doorway to the North" and it is the hub of transportation in the Lower North.

Not many farang visit Nakhon Sawan, therefore it can be hard to get by if you don't speak at least a few words of Thai.

Hop0nPop
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January 25, 2013 12:27 pm

Correct, MOntweet if one thinks of the scale on the politcal spectrum as a flat line, rather than a circle.
consider a map as compared to a globe-  the globe is more accurate but our minds tend to see flat maps, not globes.
On a circle, communism and facism would meet on one end enventually.
Consider Mussolini. 
True, both are ultimately one form or another of authoritarianism,  so they do come around full circle.  Can't argue with that.



Montweet
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January 25, 2013 4:24 pm

but I have to ask what the hell are you doing betting on that game?

A friend of mine told me it was a mortal lock LOL

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January 25, 2013 4:26 pm

great post pops   the world is round so therefore fascists and commies are the same

I like it
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January 25, 2013 4:45 pm

( see Benghazi hearings)

Hillary ate them for lunch

Not only are they old white men, they're stupid old white men

Dont get me wrong,  I know lots of good old white men, and they hate the tea party as much as I do

They recognize their stupidity just like I do

Those hearings just solidified her running for pres   It's there for the taking    I supported her against Obama, so I'll damn sure support her again

Meanwhile Obama is clicking on all cylinders   The fact that the r's hated his inauguration speech is a hoot

Now we got them saying one more time, we'll' fiddle while Rome burns

And they will be rewarded for their idealogical stubborness next election

The r's are so desperate to win at any cost, that they now are trying to rig the electoral college

What Real Americans   gerrymander to keep the house (to be fair dems have done this too)   try to suppress the vote for those wanting to vote D, and now this

hey tea partiers, here's a clue  Instead of trying to rig elections, how about taking an honest look in the mirror and see the ugliness of your politics, your lack of ideas, and your inability to recognize that America is changing and that you are only in the way

Like Stepponwolf (the band LOL) said in their song Move over, It's time to retire, get out of the way

And the classic line  We can't follow what's behind us

For you young whippersnapers  check out Their Monster album

greatest protest album of all time
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January 25, 2013 5:20 pm

Not only are they old white men, they're stupid old white men...

...well my comments aren't an indictment on white people, or white men, but definitely an indictment on backward thinking, ignorant, angry, old white men in Congress...but even though you and I, and others here, get it, the clown posse continues to repeat their nonsense here daily, and continues to swear they will win in 2008, err...2012, uhh, err....2016??.....and yes, voter suppression didn't work, so gerrymandering and removing the electoral college are the next attacks in line...if you can't beat them...join them... just CHEAT...the American,  Republican way...

bsting3d
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January 25, 2013 5:36 pm

bsting   your post is spot on
secfan48
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January 25, 2013 8:13 pm

...if you can't beat them...join them... just CHEAT...the American,  Republican way...

bsting--your whole piece was well stated so much so I had to go upstairs and look in the mirror to make sure I was still the right skin color.  When Jeb Bush sensibly starts to push immigration reform (and no, I'm not completely behind all that he says) and the response from most of the GOP has been tepid, then it's time to realize that the GOP is on a death march towards extinction.  My dad who just turned 90 and NEVER voted for a Democrat until Clinton, asked me the other day (and he normally doesn't cuss)--What the f ** k is the Republican party thinking?  The oly answer I could come up with is that they aren't (thinking). 
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January 25, 2013 8:45 pm

When I was doing my student teaching in a small town in Ohio, one of the classes I "taught" was current affairs

Basically it was a bunch of 16 year olds passing time until they could quit school in a few months

And they weren't particulary well behaved

So I thought what the hell, let's talk about music and discuss some of the social commentary there in

So I brought in Steppenwolf's Monster to see if I could get their attention

Had some of the lyrics printed up for the class to discuss

Needles to say they were much better behaved listening to and commenting on the music of the day

Bad move   The secretary took the lyrics to the principal, and for some reason he didn't approve   It took a friend of mine's father who was on the school board, to prevent me from being driven out of town on a rail

I had to promise no more anti war music, even though it was a current affairs class during the Viet Nam war

In short I lied and played the album anyway, just without a print out of the lyrics

For the life of me I couldn't figure out why the principal and others objected

Maybe you guys can help me figure it out

Here's an excerpt from a little dittie entitled Draft Resisters:

Here's to all the draft resisters who will fight for sanity

As they march 'em off to prison in this land of liberty

Shame, disgrace and our dishoner, wrongly placed upon their heads

will not rob them of the courage that betrays the innocent

comments, complaints, or criticisms?
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January 26, 2013 5:34 am

...well my comments aren't an indictment on white people, or white men, but definitely an indictment on backward thinking, ignorant, angry, old white men in Congress...but even though you and I, and others here, get it, the clown posse continues to repeat their nonsense here daily, and continues to swear they will win in 2008, err...2012, uhh, err....2016??.....and yes, voter suppression didn't work, so gerrymandering and removing the electoral college are the next attacks in line...if you can't beat them...join them... just CHEAT...the American,  Republican way...

just wondering how you define CHEATING?

Is redistricting an area for the advantage of one party or another cheating?

Is executive orders a form of cheating?

Is trying to eliminate the fillibuster rule a form of cheating?

Is making appointments without congressional / senate approval cheating while in session?

Is making rules through the EPA cheating?

Is running a bill through using the nuclear option cheating?

We can argue for another four years who supposedly cheats...fact is...both sides BEND the rules...some people only see one sides version though...



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January 26, 2013 5:54 am

Good post Red   You'll get no argument from me

The Gop is never going to get

One more time they are intending to not get anything done

The good news is   By the time these buffons figure it out, it will be too late

the gop is fading from our view, unaware that they are the problem, and stubbornly refusing to grasp reality

Stubborn may not be the right word, but you know......................
speaking of stubborn...

This past week Phil Mickeleson comes out and says publicly he is considering leaving California. He is tired of the government grabbing up to 63% of his earnings. Fact is, he isn't the only one. Tiger Woods comes to his defense and says...for these very same reasons I left California in 1996 and moved to a tax friendly state of Florida.

Now, you would think this would resonate with the progressives....but NO.

3 miilion people have left California since 2000 for these same reasons...as many have left New York...

Stubborn people fail to realize that the progressive agenda cannot continue to exist due to lack of financial support from the masses...the first step is for people to move out of these states...when the progressives catch up with them and ruin the tax friendly states...people will then decide to move out of the country...where no one gets their taxes...

Progressives would rather run people out of town rather than live within their means...a tax rate of say 35% isn't good enough...in their bassackward way of thinking...they get 0% because people pickup and move...smart people have identified the tipping point...stubborn ones still don't think one exists.

The country as a whole hasn't reached the point of realizing what a failure the progressive movement is yet...but, slowly people are coming to terms with it...there are so many examples of failure and no examples of success...

In the end...on the Progressive Tombstone...it will say...here lies the pathetic progressive movement...it died because the country could not afford them...of course...all while being paid by someone else.
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January 26, 2013 9:06 am

sec-comments, complaints, or criticisms?

The first line of your piece pretty much says it all--small town in Ohio.  My guess is had you been teaching in a suburb on the east or west coast, your ideas would have been better tolerated.  And here's a bit of military history from one who served.  I did most of my Vietnam obligation stationed in the central highlands outside of Pleiku.  Ours was a good sized Army base, and a mile or so down the road was an Air Force base similar in size.  While stationed over there, we were not allowed to call this a war.  Our involvement was a called a police action. 

And while the hippy dippy anti-war music was tolerated, it was frowned upon.  And yet when making supply runs to the coast, the bases there had a much more relaxed atmosphere.    
 
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January 26, 2013 10:15 am

sec-comments, complaints, or criticisms?

The first line of your piece pretty much says it all--small town in Ohio.  My guess is had you been teaching in a suburb on the east or west coast, your ideas would have been better tolerated.  And here's a bit of military history from one who served.  I did most of my Vietnam obligation stationed in the central highlands outside of Pleiku.  Ours was a good sized Army base, and a mile or so down the road was an Air Force base similar in size.  While stationed over there, we were not allowed to call this a war.  Our involvement was a called a police action. 

And while the hippy dippy anti-war music was tolerated, it was frowned upon.  And yet when making supply runs to the coast, the bases there had a much more relaxed atmosphere.    
 
Red...thanks for your service! Were you drafted or did you volunteer?

What was it like to serve knowing at home many were calling you child killers among other nasty names?

What was morale like?

Personally, my feeling towards those that serve need our full support regardless if we don't agree why the government put soldiers in these situations. It's the least a country and its citizens could do...


On secs piece...that just doesn't make sense...I guess current affairs didn't include the war...was he to ignore what was happening around the country? Personally, if a teacher brought music into the discussion...my bet is SEC was one popular teacher...and dare I say "Hip" or was it "Groovy" at the time?
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January 26, 2013 1:17 pm

Red...thanks for your service! Were you drafted or did you volunteer?

Drafted.  At the height of the major fighting when I was in college, a fefferment test was suggested even for those with good grades  (during summer break).  I didn't take the tests assuming that my efforts during the school year were enough to keep me in school.  I got my notice about a month before the start of fall classes.

What was it like to serve knowing at home many were calling you child killers among other nasty names?

Most of that type of name calling didn't start until after I got out of the service (in '69).  however when you're a billion miles away from home, you don't have much control over things like that at the time--plus there were many other things to be concerned with.


What was morale like?

Beleive it or not morale was pretty good.  We had our ways of keeping sane.  Case in point, because where I was stationed, we were in a police action or so we were told) we had formation every morning even after monsoon season started.  On one particular day four guys were given extra KP duty because their fatigues didn't supposedly have a military crease--this despite the lower half of our pants were soaking wet.  The following morning no one went to formation.  The captain in charge immediately came to my room--mind you I wasn't a troublemaker, but when someone asked me a question I'd give them an answer not necessarily what they wanted to hear but what was on my mind at the time.  I explained what was transpiring and why we did it.  He threatened to give us all Article 15s.  I just looked at him and started to laugh.  Finally, I did ask him if he thought he stood a chance of giving 300 troops Article 15s based on something he couldn't even prove?  And that while he might succeed did he really want that on his record or did he really want 300 mad troops covering his butt in a firefight?  No more creased pant requirements during monsoon season.  Basically we were pretty much like the TV show M*A*S*H* except it was usueally the draftees vs. the lifers.  By and large we did get along but everyonce in awhile it was us vs. the stupids. 

  Personally, my feeling towards those that serve need our full support regardless if we don't agree why the government put soldiers in these situations. It's the least a country and its citizens could do...

I do believe that Iraq was a lie, but I would not cast aspersions (sp?) on any of our military----ever.  The deserve our full support even AFTER they return home.

On secs piece...that just doesn't make sense...I guess current affairs didn't include the war...was he to ignore what was happening around the country? Personally, if a teacher brought music into the discussion...my bet is SEC was one popular teacher...and dare I say "Hip" or was it "Groovy" at the time?

Toyota--I don't know the exact time frame when sec was a student teacher, but I'll give you an idea of what it was like. It was during the era of the 1968 Dem convention and this was the first exposure of a mass demonstration against the war.  At the time for almost everyone it was an unpatriotic thing being done until the full force of the Chicago police was shown on the news.  During the war, the TET offensive was dying down BUT this was probably the first time during the war where some (at home) were beginning to realize that we weren't in it to win but rather not to lose.  So, the debate on the war was just starting to get contentious.  most my parents age were still prett much pro war.  Those of sec and my age were beginning to doubt what the hell was going on.
      


   

 

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January 26, 2013 1:27 pm

it died because the country could not afford them...of course all while being psid by someone else

You're a hoot  I guess Reagan and the Bushies were progressives because they sure as hell are the dumbazzes that got us into this mess

And I guess Clinton was a conservative, for he was fiscally responsible

you're a sheep  ignore what really got us in the mess we are in, and in the time honored tradition of hypocritcal conservative cavemen, deny any culpability and blame someone else

If memory serves Bush had a trillion dollar deficit in his last year, and then handed Obama a 1.4 trillion debt for 09   a number conervative sheep like to use so that it makes Obama's debt look worse

but people are slowly coming to terms with it

Keep telling yourself that, and I hope the next conservative clown to run for pres keeps saying it too

Obama won the presidency by a comftorable margin   what 313 electoral votes?  the d's in the house won a million and a half more votes than the r's

the d' won 25 of 33 senate races

yeah the people are waking up all right

In fact I'd say they have woken up already

Despite the voter suppression the d's beat the crap out of the GOP (I've seen estimates that in Florida alone 200,000 people didn't vote because of the voter restriction tactics of the Dinasour party  Go ahead and dispute that    sheepie) the tea party driven repub party doesn't get it



      But blame     progressives  I'm sure it makes you feel better

People now realize that the same tired rhetoric of cutting taxes on the rich will create jobs is just a load of bs

That's why Mittster and his party got creamed

All he offered was more of the same  and more people than not know that will only make things worse

keep puking up the party lines, and tell us all that progressives are fading from view

I love it
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January 26, 2013 1:30 pm

red, I was anti-Vietnam and in the service.  I never heard the baby-killing comments until we had agent orange and Mai Lai.  I would never do anything but support the troops.  I protested against the admins, whether Democratic or Republican.  Same with Iraq.

Those that did not live through it think that there were large numbers throwing these insults.  There are extremists on any issue who do not represent the protesters on an issue but the clown posse want to use extreme statements to call all protesters scum.
BostonBeaner
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