Boise inks deal with UT Martin in 2013

• • All OU's opponents from 2000-2011-  .Oklahoma(144-40) 184 total opponents
  • minus  all OU's ranked opponents-.....................Oklahoma(31-28)-  59 ranked opponents
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    .................................125 UNranked opponents= 68%  
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Look at this cat trying to make a FAILED attempt at some sort of "Boise Point". 

Boise State 2000-2011

TOTAL RANKED OPPONENTS: 19
TOTAL RECORD: 10-9
TOTAL RECORD: 136-19

TOTAL GAMES PLAYED: 155
TOTAL UNRANKED: 136= 88%

The Funniest part is, JUST HOW UNRANKED WERE THE UNRANKED? 

You see, OU has played a bunch of #26ish or 30 something ranked teams.  Boise? 100-119ish.

The descrepancy is Absolutely Hillarious.

Boise State 2000-2011

155 TOTAL GAMES PLAYED
20 TOTAL GAMES vs MAJOR OPPONENTS = 12% TOTAL
135 TOTAL GAMES vs NON-MAJOR OPPONENTS: 88% TOTAL

TOTAL AVERAGE RECORD FOR ALL OPPONENTS PLAYED: 50% (880-872)

Not only has Boise only beaten UNRANKED teams 88% of the time.  BUT OF THOSE UNRANKED TEAMS, 88% were not even MAJOR UNIVERSITIES.

AND,the NON-Majors had TERRIBLE LOSING RECORDS.

Oh and it gets much Worse in the numbers my friends.

Ahh the house of Smoke and Mirrors.

• Of Boise State's 136 Wins from 2000-2011, 126 of those wins were over the following teams:
  
  Rice
  La Tech
  Sacremento State
  Portland State
  Arky State
  UNLV
  Hawaii
  Fresno
  Nevada
  North Texas
  WEBER STATE
  UC DAVIS
  Eastern Washington
  Northern Iowa
  Central Michigan
  Idaho
  Idaho State
  Bowling Green
  New Mexico State
  San Jose State
  UTEP
  Utah State
  Wyoming
  
  These teams represent.......93% of Boise State's Entire Winning Record From 2000-2011.
  
  But wait, there is more..

I will let this sink in a bit before announcing the average ranking of Boise's Opponents of which they compiled 136 wins.

SMOKEEEEEEE ON THE WATERRRRRRRR......

I'm not sure why Spinkiller has such a hard** for Boise but it's really time to give it a rest. Go root for the Sooners and hope they win the B12. I guess the old saying "Haters gotta hate" really fits him.

 I guess the old saying "Haters gotta hate" really fits him.

You sure this is an old saying? 

Bringing the truth to a forum of BS does not make one a "hater" of anything.

That said, I find your Avatar rather sexist and archaic.

Spinlover, you've brought nothing close to truth to this forum. Saying BSU is going to "suck" this year is your opinion and you're entitled to it. Now let's address some of your other "truths". BSU has not turned down FSU, Arky, OU or Nebraska. Stating this as fact is disengenuous at best.

Now regarding BSU's wins from 2000 to 2011. You said 126 of 136 wins are against the teams you listed. That leaves room for 10 wins against other teams. I can disprove this without doing any research. Off the top of my head during that time frame BSU has wins against the following:

BYU - 2
Utah - 2
Oregon St. - 3
Oregon - 2
TCU - 2
Iowa St. - 1
VT - 1
Georgia - 1
Oklahoma - 1

15 wins.
I may have missed one or two. Not to mention several wins against Fresno, Hawaii and Nevada came when they were ranked.

Now regarding BSU's wins from 2000 to 2011. You said 126 of 136 wins are against the teams you listed. That leaves room for 10 wins against other teams. I can disprove this without doing any research. Off the top of my head during that time frame BSU has wins against the following:

BYU - 2
Utah - 2
Oregon St. - 3
Oregon - 2
TCU - 2
Iowa St. - 1
VT - 1
Georgia - 1
Oklahoma - 1

15 wins.
I may have missed one or two. Not to mention several wins against Fresno, Hawaii and Nevada came when they were ranked.

Symantical Deodorant on a Turd my friend.

I was incorrect, in the final, but not incorrect in the first. 

The actual Number of Wins those teams represent is 117 of 136. 

This changes nothing to the Point or the Big Picture.

We are discussing SCHEDULING my friend.

We are discussing the Constant Hypocrisy and Absurdity of the statements made on these boards from your Friend(s) Smiles.

Boise has the most PATHETIC schedule of ANY Major Program, yet Smiles/Someday/Bigred constantly acts as if it is an even playing field.

Boise is NOWHERE NEAR as good as their number of wins suggest. Not even close.

It's provable and is indeed fact.

Any Mediocre Team in any Major Conference can post those Winning numbers against the Teams Boise has played for the last Decade. Its ludacris to state otherwise. 


 

Boise has the most PATHETIC schedule of ANY Major Program, yet Smiles/Someday/Bigred constantly acts as if it is an even playing field.

You know what Spinn? They problay do have the most pathetic schedule, but guess what?  By and large they win when they have to and that's what bugs the hell out of you.  Unlike you Sooners who choke a couple of times every year.  Get over it.   

Boise has the most PATHETIC schedule of ANY Major Program, yet Smiles/Someday/Bigred constantly acts as if it is an even playing field.

Well, looky here. SPIN FINALLY ADMITS THAT BOISE IS A MAJOR PROGRAM. 


Thanks, spin. After all your Boise bashing, that probably hurt you to say.  

Well, looky here. SPIN FINALLY ADMITS THAT BOISE IS A MAJOR PROGRAM



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someday its just like you boise fans to do this, your not a MAJOR program  i  wonder if you really want to be a major program spinny just had a slip of the finger thats all.

Well, I'm not surprised.  My concern all along and why I post on sports message boards, is of course, to talk sports, especially college football.  I'm honestly trying to discuss what Gator Lass admits to be cheap baiting and a personal vendetta against me.  Who knows, maybe she harbors some personal issues herself, I really don't care.  It find it ironic beyond words that a fan of a team who hasn't left the state in 22 years for an OOC game and who brings in 3 really bad teams every year is putting down a team like Boise, but she only intended if you are to believe what she said, to make this personal.  Wow, that says way more about her than I'd really care to discuss.

I guess it shouldn't come as news that fans of the programs long considered to be the premier ones don't particularly want to change things, nor are they particularly open for Johnny come latelies who want their teams to be included in that exclusive list.  Hence we have lightweights like Shel, who still is trying to insist that Boise isn't a top team (forget the fact that they have been almost permanent members of the top 25 for a decade) because, apparently, they don't belong to the BCS Country Club.

On the one hand, folks criticise Boise State for not playing enough "elite" schools.  It's a fair argument, as a Boise fan, I don't like it at all when my school brings in a team for what is almost sure to be a lopsided contest.  That's why the school is switching conferences, they want to play in a better league and crack the glass ceiling of the sport.  Who doesn't aspire to be the best?

But for the life of me, I cannot understand why none of you seem to get the contradiction.  How is Boise supposed to get better games scheduled when the most of the teams they need to play:

1. Refuse to travel unless they are forced to.
2. Fill their own schedules in the only games they control with mostly horrible teams that they know that they can beat easily.

I'll say it again, what I am hearing is "play tougher teams, Boise, just not us."

If you were honest, you'd know why.  One, it's a money game.  If teams can add three extra home games, they make more money.  The NCAA allows teams to play lower division schools, and while a few, like Oklahoma generally don't, all SEC schools are more than happy to include an FCS school, like UTMartin in order to articficially inflate the conference winning records and cheat their own fans.  Admit it, you are more than happy to fork out good money to watch a 5 touchdown blow out than have your school go on the road and play someone, anyone, with a fair shot of beating you.  It's far easier to try and insult me as a person, make stupid speculations about whether or not I have another ID (I don't), and throw out put downs of the school I support than it is to actually address the question.  Why do we allow our schools to schedule so many bad nonconference games and is this practice good for the sport?  At least I admit it, none of you seem to be able, especially Spinnie who can't even get my politics right, much less answer the question.

I'll say it again, what I am hearing is "play tougher teams, Boise, just not us."




Actually what is being said is we will play you BSU but just not in your highschool stadium where we lose money....





Then BSU turns around and says. No Nebraska, OU, FSU, Arky we will not play you on your home field.         

Actually what is being said is we will play you BSU but just not in your highschool stadium where we lose money....

Then BSU turns around and says. No Nebraska, OU, FSU, Arky we will not play you on your home field.

No, what they are saying is-We will play Boise, but only if Boise gives us 3-6 pt home advantage and loses money while doing it.


None of those teams, or any other program for that matter, would lose a single dime playing Boise in a normal H&H over any other normal H&H. They would exchange an up front fee to the visitor, just like any other program would in a normal H&H.



        

No, what they are saying is-We will play Boise, but only if Boise gives us 3-6 pt home advantage and loses money while doing it.




BSU would not lose money playing in the bigger teams stadium because well they could fit your entire fanbase in one endzone.     



None of those teams, or any other program for that matter, would lose a single dime playing Boise in a normal H&H over any other normal H&H. They would exchange an up front fee to the visitor, just like any other program would in a normal H&H.




How would a team traveling to BSU not lose money when your stadium might hold their band? What are you going to give them to make up the diffrence? Your crazy if you think a team taveling across the coutnry to a 30k seat stadium is not a loss of money when they can travel a state over to a team with twice the size stadium or pay a team to come to there stadium.    
    

How would a team traveling to BSU not lose money when your stadium might hold their band? What are you going to give them to make up the diffrence? Your crazy if you think a team taveling across the coutnry to a 30k seat stadium is not a loss of money when they can travel a state over to a team with twice the size stadium or pay a team to come to there stadium.    

Because that isn't how H&Hs work. Stadium size has nothing to do with it. Both programs exchange up front fees to pay the visitor for expenses in the year that they receive no income from the home part of the series.

Sometimes there will be added amounts above travel expenses, but it is always returned on the return trip. Some of the bigger programs require a little more travel expenses, as they bring larger group, but the difference isn't deal threatening. 

Boise and Mich St will exchange 300K for their H&H in '22and'23. Notice that no one loses any money and stadium size has nothing to do with it. 

Boise and Mich St will exchange 300K for their H&H in '22and'23. Notice that no one loses any money and stadium size has nothing to do with it. 




I wasnt saying they would go in the black. What I mean is they could profit more playing a bigger school close to home. Yes they might come out in the positive but it still wont be as much as bama could make say playing PSU at PSU.    

I wasnt saying they would go in the black. What I mean is they could profit more playing a bigger school close to home. Yes they might come out in the positive but it still wont be as much as bama could make say playing PSU at PSU.    

No, they wouldn't profit more with a H&H with a bigger program. It is a simple exchange of visitor expenses. They actually make more playing a smaller program, as they bring less people, making a lower pay out of those visitor expenses as opposed to a larger program.

Many want to bring stadium size into it, when it has nothing to do with it.  

No, they wouldn't profit more with a H&H with a bigger program. It is a simple exchange of visitor expenses. They actually make more playing a smaller program, as they bring less people, making a lower pay out of those visitor expenses as opposed to a larger program.

Many want to bring stadium size into it, when it has nothing to do with it. 

So playing a program like LSU who brings 20k fans whether they have tickets or not to tailgate and spend parking fees, hotel rooms, booze, food, etc into the University and local economy is worse than bringing Boise to town? All I kind say is........

So playing a program like LSU who brings 20k fans whether they have tickets or not to tailgate and spend parking fees, hotel rooms, booze, food, etc into the University and local economy is worse than bringing Boise to town? All I kind say is.....

Again, you are assuming Boise fans don't travel well, which is incorrect. They travel very well. Boise fans counted around 12-15K with UGA last season, and about the same in DC the year before.  Boise fans matched Oklahoma 1 for 1 in their Glendale match up. How many fans would your example of LSU send to the west coast? 

 

Notice that no one loses any money and stadium size has nothing to do with it. 

You don't get it do you? Away games are vacation stops for many fans of the high profile schools. They intend to put 5-10k butts in the seats when they go on the road in addition to it making financial sense. Is Boise going to give 5-10k seats up in their stadium? Why would any team schedule to play at Boise and make their fans mad because they can't go watch it, to just break even on the trip? The powers that be don't need Boise to fill their home stadium, so again, what is Boise offering that would make a team do a straight up home and home?

2 for 1 - yep
1 and done - yep
neutral site game in a recruiting hotbed - yep
home and home - not so much

What is so difficult about the above information to comprehend?

You don't get it do you? Away games are vacation stops for many fans of the high profile schools. They intend to put 5-10k butts in the seats when they go on the road in addition to it making financial sense. Is Boise going to give 5-10k seats up in their stadium? Why would any team schedule to play at Boise and make their fans mad because they can't go watch it, to just break even on the trip? The powers that be don't need Boise to fill their home stadium, so again, what is Boise offering that would make a team do a straight up home and home? 

You assume that Boise doesn't travel well, which couldn't be further from the truth. Boise easily travels your 5-10K figure, and more to the high profile program venues that you are talking about.  And for the record, Boise doesn't need any program to fill their home stadium, either.  

You assume that Boise doesn't travel well, which couldn't be further from the truth. Boise easily travels your 5-10K figure, and more to the high profile program venues that you are talking about.

Never said they didn't...Once again though, why should a team play in Boise when they can't get their fans their accustomed tickets???

And for the record, Boise doesn't need any program to fill their home stadium, either. 

I sure hope not...

 

Once again though, why should a team play in Boise when they can't get their fans their accustomed tickets???

So far, Boise has reciprocated the same amount of tickets that they been given by a major conference opponent.  To say they can't accommodate, may not be accurate. There is a 30 ft track around the field that will be seats soon anyway, that could easily be retrofitted to accommodate even the largest of programs with any decent notice.  In the mean time, Boise is expanding facilities and seats as we speak, with many more on it's heels. 

You don't get it do you? Away games are vacation stops for many fans of the high profile schools. They intend to put 5-10k butts in the seats when they go on the road in addition to it making financial sense. Is Boise going to give 5-10k seats up in their stadium? Why would any team schedule to play at Boise and make their fans mad because they can't go watch it, to just break even on the trip? The powers that be don't need Boise to fill their home stadium, so again, what is Boise offering that would make a team do a straight up home and home?

2 for 1 - yep
1 and done - yep
neutral site game in a recruiting hotbed - yep
home and home - not so much

What is so difficult about the above information to comprehend?

hookem--Let me get this straight.  Schools set up "away" games so the fans can go on vacation?  Schools set up home and homes with Nebraska, Kansas, Texas, Arizona Alabama all the time.  There are more tourist sites and scenic sites in Idaho than any of the other states I mentioned combined--obviously you've never been to Idaho.  So, you have Idaho is in fact an ideal "vacation spot" as you put it....any team that has fans that travel well will show up in Idaho. 

Is Boise going to give up 5-10k seats?  Well, lets' see those 10000 people will need a place to sleep and places to eat..I'd say it's good for the WHOLE Boise economy.  

 Why would any team schedule to play at Boise and make their fans mad because they can't go watch it--Again, unless a school has fair weather fans, they travel anywhere.  Nebraska has asked for more seats everytime they played Hawaii in Hawaii--Nebraska doesn't even have 2000000 people--and Nebrask to Hawaii is alot further than say Texas to Idaho. 
 
to just break even on the trip?  Breaking even is a two way street.  You make money one game and break even on the return trip.  Either that or both teams pay out enough (equally) so said away game makes money for the visiting team.  It ain't brain science.

2 for 1 - yep--Here's the thing about 2 for 1.  Nebraska tried to offer that.....Nebraska to Idaho isn't any more expensive than Nebarska to California or Nebraska to Pennsylvania.  Cost wise there was no reason for Boise to do this.  And with TV monies no one is going to "just break even" going to Boise
 
1 and done - yep--Been there done that unless of course teams go to Boise because with TV moneis they will still make money.  
  
neutral site game in a recruiting hotbed - yep--Again been there done that...basically you're denying (recruiting hotbed) the chance for Boise to show off it's area but then you already knew that.

home and home - not so much--Here's the thing with the whole Boise debate....one of the arguments was that Boise wasn't playing in a "decent" conference--they're going to be in the Big East--which IMO is equal to or better than the ACC even without WVU & TCU.  Another argument has been that Boise has such a small stadium (weak at best when schools from the SEC and PAC have smaller stadiums)--factor in that they will shortly expand the stadium to over 50000 plus what do you have?  Moot point.  Now what people are attempting to say is that playing Boise is cost prohibitive.  Bosie would NOT have joined the Big East if they were going to lose money.  The Big East would NOT have asked Boise to join if the rest of its' schools were going to lise money.  At this stage in the game above and beyond Bosie attracts TV viewers and THAT means money (for all concerned).

If your argument wasn't so lame/factually incorrect/biassed/absurd, it would be funny.  
 
 
    

hookem--Let me get this straight.  Schools set up "away" games so the fans can go on vacation?  Schools set up home and homes with Nebraska, Kansas, Texas, Arizona Alabama all the time.  There are more tourist sites and scenic sites in Idaho than any of the other states I mentioned combined--obviously you've never been to Idaho.  So, you have Idaho is in fact an ideal "vacation spot" as you put it....any team that has fans that travel well will show up in Idaho. 

Is Boise going to give up 5-10k seats?  Well, lets' see those 10000 people will need a place to sleep and places to eat..I'd say it's good for the WHOLE Boise economy.  

 Why would any team schedule to play at Boise and make their fans mad because they can't go watch it--Again, unless a school has fair weather fans, they travel anywhere.  Nebraska has asked for more seats everytime they played Hawaii in Hawaii--Nebraska doesn't even have 2000000 people--and Nebrask to Hawaii is alot further than say Texas to Idaho. 
 
to just break even on the trip?  Breaking even is a two way street.  You make money one game and break even on the return trip.  Either that or both teams pay out enough (equally) so said away game makes money for the visiting team.  It ain't brain science.

2 for 1 - yep--Here's the thing about 2 for 1.  Nebraska tried to offer that.....Nebraska to Idaho isn't any more expensive than Nebarska to California or Nebraska to Pennsylvania.  Cost wise there was no reason for Boise to do this.  And with TV monies no one is going to "just break even" going to Boise
 
1 and done - yep--Been there done that unless of course teams go to Boise because with TV moneis they will still make money.  
  
neutral site game in a recruiting hotbed - yep--Again been there done that...basically you're denying (recruiting hotbed) the chance for Boise to show off it's area but then you already knew that.

home and home - not so much--Here's the thing with the whole Boise debate....one of the arguments was that Boise wasn't playing in a "decent" conference--they're going to be in the Big East--which IMO is equal to or better than the ACC even without WVU & TCU.  Another argument has been that Boise has such a small stadium (weak at best when schools from the SEC and PAC have smaller stadiums)--factor in that they will shortly expand the stadium to over 50000 plus what do you have?  Moot point.  Now what people are attempting to say is that playing Boise is cost prohibitive.  Bosie would NOT have joined the Big East if they were going to lose money.  The Big East would NOT have asked Boise to join if the rest of its' schools were going to lise money.  At this stage in the game above and beyond Bosie attracts TV viewers and THAT means money (for all concerned).

If your argument wasn't so lame/factually incorrect/biassed/absurd, it would be funny.  

Check out SMILES the Poser.  What a complete Tool.

Check out SMILES the Poser.  What a complete Tool.

Thanks spin, it's nice of you to show that you and hookem are on and the same.  Neither of you offer a sane rebuttal.  Oh wait, I could throw in diffie as well.  Triplets no less.