The first point is recruiting, which may or may not be right, but now that the Trojans are back, their recruiting has also come back. This means players that had a good chance of going to Oregon or some other Pac-12 school has diminished.
The other and more important issue is the style of play. At least during the PC era beating the Trojans in conference play was the goal. Oregon drafted players that were availiable and created a style, call it a spread, an option whatever that fit the smaller and quicker players and could beat the Trojans.Dixon, Stewart, Blount, James, Asper, Dickson, Paulson, Tupou, Schwartz, Rosario, Snyder, Unger, Ngata, Paysinger, Byrd, Chung, Harris, Thurmond, Ward, Tukuafu, Toeaina, Matthews
These player, generally, aren't the NFL bound, traditional players. Once caught in this style, the recruits that are the proto-typical kids discount the Ducks. this dove-tails back to recruiting and so far at least, this "style" of play hasn't won the big game.
That isn't static by any means, but this season, IMO, goes a long way to deciding the Duck future and whether your HC can transition the team back to traditional play. Last weeks game says he can....we'll see.
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The Pac-12 Thread....September 7, 2012 12:54 pm
OlyDuck, David, you say it but I think you don't see it. He changes it "to the strengths and who he has". Bro. That's my point in a nut-shell. It's the tail wagging the dog.
Ideally, you draft the kind of players you want. Now you can play the style you want. Not adjusting your style to who you get. That's fine if your just taking over a team and establishing yourself. If you think everyone else is wrong for drafting 4-5 stars and the Ducks have some magical formula that makes them right and everone else wrong, well, there's a bug in the program. You can list the players drafted into the NFL all you want, the list isn't even in the same league as USC's, not to mention how many of em become stars. I'm beginning to suspect that Arkansas St. got caught by surprise by the amount of passing the Ducks used. It will be interesting to see the adjustments your opponents take. As the post was in response to Quackies query to Duck longevity, the above points could well be part of answer. |
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The Pac-12 Thread....September 7, 2012 2:43 pm
Yes tehy did but then they lost their last 2 and a bowl. someone key got hurt if i remember correctly.I kind of got it wrong...they beat Oregon first, then entered the game versus USC ranked #25. Destroyed them in the "what's your deal" game, but then turned around and lost to Cal at home in the Big Game. Beat ND at home, and lost to Oklahoma in the Sun Bowl because Luck didn't play with a broken finger. I can almost guarantee that they beat Oklahoma if Luck plays. Pritchard was never very good (8 for 19 with two INTs and they still only lost by 4 points). |
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The Pac-12 Thread....September 7, 2012 2:53 pm
then entered the game versus USC ranked #25. Destroyed them in the "what's your deal" game,Hey kato, What's your deal? in bringing up that game? 
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The Pac-12 Thread....September 7, 2012 3:49 pm
With Luck, the Cardinal owned USC. In exactly 8 days from now, you guys will finally have a legitmate chance to make amends for that game down on the Farm (though you sure did put up a fight last year!).
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The Pac-12 Thread....September 7, 2012 4:43 pm
Who are all these stars playing in the league from USC right now? Clay Matthews and Troy Polamalu. Yes. Who else? Sanchez? Palmer? Reggie???Haha! I see two 'Stars'. |
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The Pac-12 Thread....September 7, 2012 4:59 pm
master32, actually Reggie's has a pretty good season last year. Is there a Duck that even makes Bush?..... Didn't think so.
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The Pac-12 Thread....September 7, 2012 5:15 pm
I think Johnathon Stewart is just as good as Reggie Bush. Only difference is that he got outta NO's so that he gets a true #1 backs carries. And Reggie final breaking But neither of them are even a top 10 RB in the League today. The dude has one 1000 yard season in his career. I am sorry but that is not star quality in a 16 game season. So USC has two stars to play in the nfl in the last decade. How great are those MFing 5 star recruits?
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The Pac-12 Thread....September 7, 2012 5:24 pm
This was the first season Reggie made it over 600 rushing yards.
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The Pac-12 Thread....September 7, 2012 6:03 pm
Current (as of last season) number of NFL players from Pac-12 schools:
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The Pac-12 Thread....September 7, 2012 6:13 pm
We all know that USC gets more players to the NFL. They play Pro style offense and that is going to earn more pro scouts respect. But Oregon gets the best players they desire to play there style of football. And that is all I care about as a college football fan. Anything those players do after college is a bonus. I don't cheer for individual Duck players to be Superstars like 'Heisman trophy winner' Reggie Bush. I am a fan of Oregon Football. Collectively.
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The Pac-12 Thread....September 7, 2012 7:43 pm
Masters32, that's cool. my comment was to quackie. He asked where I thought Oregon might not be able to continue at it's present level, basically.
I said recruiting and style of play, both which overlap. They have been Oregon's success and possible weakness. As a Trojan fan, I'd prefer the big proto-typical 5 star kids. What oregon has achieved can't be taken away from them and I have no desire to. Hope that helps. |
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The Pac-12 Thread....September 7, 2012 6:13 pm
masters32, I'm not wasting time comparing Oregon,s over-all record with USC's, Just scroll back and the real stats have been posted on this thread. It's not close. |
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The Pac-12 Thread....September 7, 2012 6:18 pm
NWT congrats on 2000 posts. Big day between the 12 Pac and the B1G tomorrow. Illinois at Arizona St, Wisconsin at Oregon St and Nebraska at UCLA. I would be very interested at you and your posters think about how these games play out.
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The Pac-12 Thread....September 7, 2012 7:10 pm
NWT congrats on 2000 posts. Big day between the 12 Pac and the B1G tomorrow. Illinois at Arizona St, Wisconsin at Oregon St and Nebraska at UCLA. I would be very interested at you and your posters think about how these games play out. Not ignoring you, just involved in another conversation. I think Nebraska will beat UCLA, but UCLA has a chance. I like ASU over Illinois, and Wisconsin over Oregon St. It would be great for the PAC if they could win these games, but I don't see more than one win. |
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The Pac-12 Thread....September 7, 2012 7:58 pm
wmich, thanks
 . The only one that I'd say we should/may win is the ASU-Illinios game. I guess it's not impossible for UCLA to win of Oregon St. but I haven't studied the teams and really any comment by me would be even more ignorant than usual. All are worth watching, which is cool and frankly, I'm curious to see if UCLA was more head problems than talent ones. A stronger UCLA helps the conference overall as I have SOS concerns.The so-call best starting 22 in CFB disappeared in 7 days flat, rightly or wrongly, and I suspect the Trojans are going to need every edge they can get to make it to the NCG. Both on the field and the politics.LOL I will watch all three. most of us were pulling for Michigan in the game, one the suspensions hit, I think any real chance was lost. Bama isn't that good and Michigan is much better than that, |
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The Pac-12 Thread....September 7, 2012 6:21 pm
I don't think I said anything about Over all record. All I did was comment on how many of those recruits translated into great Nfl players as you were claiming. SC gets the players they desire and so does Oregon. All that matters now is what happens on the field in COLLEGE FOOTBALL. You guys win one game that is your super bowl and all of a sudden you think the Pac is belongs to SC again. When in reality Oregon has owned the Pac-10/12 for the last 3 years going on 4! Talk to you November 3rd.
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The Pac-12 Thread....September 7, 2012 6:34 pm
Players on NFL rosters as of opening day (9/5/12), not including any practice squad players. Teams listed with more than 25 players:
USC-47 Miami-46 Texas-38 Georgia-37 LSU-37 Ohio St-37 Florida-32 Cal-31 Alabama-30 Iowa-30 Michigan-28 Penn St-28 Auburn-27 Notre Dame-27 Nebraska-26 Tennessee-26 |
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The Pac-12 Thread....September 7, 2012 6:39 pm
The fact that Cal, Tennessee, Miami, Texas, PSU, and Iowa are all on the list proves my point. Those players I am sure are NFL caliber NFL prototype players. But that is not neccessary to be an elite team in College Football. Oregon recruits to fit there team and that is it. If it just so happens you can go to the NFL then good for you.
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The Pac-12 Thread....September 7, 2012 6:41 pm
And some of those players like Peyton Manning form Tennessee came into the league in the 90's? How is that relevant to college football in this Century?
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The Pac-12 Thread....September 7, 2012 6:46 pm
And some of those players like Peyton Manning form Tennessee came into the league in the 90's? How is that relevant to college football in this Century? Take a chill pill. If you don't think how many players a team puts into the NFL is not a factor as to where good players go to college, you aren't too bright. It is certainly relevant to college football. It isn't relevant to how many games a team wins, that is involves many factors, and no one would disagree with that. |
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The Pac-12 Thread....September 7, 2012 6:49 pm
Must have been my question was too hard
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The Pac-12 Thread....September 7, 2012 7:12 pm
Wmichskers. I have UCLA pulling off the upset. Oregon State staying close for 3 quarters but losing by 10+. And as for ASU vs Illinois it is a tossup for me because I have no idea what to expect from either team.
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The Pac-12 Thread....September 7, 2012 7:07 pm
4soCalFan,
I think we misunderstood eachother. I do think that if teams put players in the NFL it helps them in recruiting. However I do not think that Oregon is hurt by such things. We put our fair share of players in, especially considering the caliber and style of players we recruit. We do not recruit a player based on whether he is an nfl caliber player though. I just don't believe that is an important thing to Chip Kelly or to Oregon Fans. Oregon gets the players they want according to the style and the current need at least since Chip Kelly has been there and as long as that happens Oregon will continue to be a contender both in the Pac and nationally. |
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The Pac-12 Thread....September 7, 2012 7:16 pm
4soCalFan, I agree with you that what players make the NFL or how they play in the NFL has nothing to do with how successful a college team is. If I had a choice bewteen going undefeated and having no players make the NFL, or going 9-3 and having 10 players drafted, I'll take the former every time. I agree that Oregon looks like they will be competing for PAC titles for many years, as long as Kelly is there. Nationally, Oregon needs to win a bit more. Maybe this will be the year. |
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The Pac-12 Thread....September 7, 2012 6:41 pm
You guys win one game that is your super bowl and all of a sudden you think the Pac is belongs to SC again. When in reality Oregon has owned the Pac-10/12 for the last 3 years going on 4! Talk to you November 3rd. Winning the PAC is a great accomplishment, especially winning 3 years in a row. Respect from college football fans comes when you do something nationally. Oregon is close, but until they close the deal, meh. Too many PAC teams think beating USC makes their season, so USC always gets every teams best shot. No one overlooks USC. It takes more than beating one team to be a national player, and no other PAC team has gotten there, yet. |
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The Pac-12 Thread....September 7, 2012 6:51 pm
So you aren't elite unless you have won a National Championship? USC hasn't won a National Championship since 2004 correct? So USC has not been elite since then. Or is it once you have won a national championship you are always considered elite? Because I disagree with both. Each year you can only have one overall winner and the one season Oregon was given that chance they failed by a last second field goal vs the most dynamic college football player to ever play the game IMHO. Regardless of what you might think the way to the national championship this year for USC and Oregon both runs through winning the Pac and winning vs one another and as of right now that runs through Oregon seeing as they have won 3 in a row. |
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The Pac-12 Thread....September 7, 2012 6:53 pm
Things to do right now. I will respond to all of these tomorrow.
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The Pac-12 Thread....September 7, 2012 7:07 pm
So you aren't elite unless you have won a National Championship? USC hasn't won a National Championship since 2004 correct? So USC has not been elite since then. Or is it once you have won a national championship you are always considered elite? Because I disagree with both. Each year you can only have one overall winner and the one season Oregon was given that chance they failed by a last second field goal vs the most dynamic college football player to ever play the game IMHO. Regardless of what you might think the way to the national championship this year for USC and Oregon both runs through winning the Pac and winning vs one another and as of right now that runs through Oregon seeing as they have won 3 in a row. Who said anything about winning National Championships? It is about consistently competing on a national stage and beating top teams from other parts of the country. You don't earn national respect by winning the PAC. Most of the country thinks the PAC is a mediocre conference. Sorry, but Oregon isn't there, yet. In the last 10 years, USC has won 9 games against non conference opponents that finished the season ranked in the top 10, going 9-2 overall. The rest of the conference, as members of the PAC, have won a grand total of 3 games OOC against year end ranked top 10 teams (Oregon-2, ASU-1), going 3-38 overall (Oregon 2-5). That is why USC is looked at differently. When Oregon consistently wins on a national stage against against the top teams from around the country, they will get national respect. I think Oregon has a great team this year, and is certainly a match for USC. Whoever wins the PAC this year needs to go out and beat whoever they are matched up with, particularly if they get to play an SEC team for the BCS championship. That will earn everyones respect. |
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The Pac-12 Thread....September 7, 2012 7:10 pm
4Socal, I am glad that internet is working and you can do your numbers research. But I am sorry it cannot be argued that since the arrival of Chip Kelly Oregon has become a national contender and are only going up. This team is going to be a contender for a very long time. |
