2009 Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper Sucks Thread

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Tennesse @ Georgia will be on this CBS website Sat @ 3:30PM SEC game of the week.

  Saw a few weeks ago that Ricardo Coclough is in the CFL.  He got traded from Edmonton to Hamilton.

Steelers=sb2 , I wouldn't take lattimore if he was there. Like I said before, in order for me to want another rb in the first round..he'd have to be one of the best ever prospects coming out. Which obviously we wouldn't get anyways because we don't draft that high. Rbs don't last long and I'd rather go defense and let mendenhall get back on track. We haven't done to well drafting secondary past the first round ( and haven't even drafted one in the first since Troy ...we are well overdue). I think it's a must to go defense in the first.

Unless Golden shows something this year, we need a safety badly in the first rd.

We need help in a lot of areas on defense, I imagine wherever we're drafting that it will BPA in an area of need. Our 2 biggest areas of need on defense are OLB and Safety (preferrably one with good cover skills) then I would say ILB then CB.

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We need help in a lot of areas on defense, I imagine wherever we're drafting that it will BPA in an area of need. Our 2 biggest areas of need on defense are OLB and Safety (preferrably one with good cover skills) then I would say ILB then CB.

Roc,

I like Cortez Allen and I can see him being a solid second corner and having a long career in Pittsburgh but I agree with you that another CB will be neccessary sooner rather than later.

I still think they effed up trying to sneak Crezdon Butler to the practice squad.

At ILB I like what we have but getting some depth will be neccessary once Foote is gone. Next year he could be the third behind Spence and Timmons.

OLB might be the biggest need in this draft but Safety might be the better pick in the first.

I still believe Keenan Lewis would have been better being moved to FS and being Ryan Clark's eventual successor.

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DVR set for Ohio State and MIchigan State. Prime Rib dinner at noon, family thing takes precidence over college ball.  But I may catch the second half of the Clemson vs. BC game, if the Ohio State game becomes a blowout.

Watch the big DT for Ohio State, Johnathon Hankins. For Michigan State:  in addition to Le'Veon Bell, they have the second coming of Erice Greene, mammoth TE named Dion Sims, I had mentioned him before a bunch of pages ago.

I am undergoing radiation treatment for cancer, so I will be on and off CBS, more off than on until November 6th, after I complete the 30 treatments.

Thanks for all that read this thread and for the support I have been given.  I never ask for sympathy because of all the people worse off than me. I am happily married with a good job/insurance and a enough materialistic crap for most.  There are people diving in dumpsters for lunch, feel sorry for them. Pray for the really sick and elderly, pray for kids with cancer, pray for animals who are abused, neglected, and who need a good home. My dogs are treated better than most people, spoiled doesn't even begin to describe thier life.

I think I found the cure for cancer, for me anyhow. Laughter, smiles, and a positive attitude. I am not  only beating  cancer, I am kicking the living sh-it out of it.

I am not  only beating  cancer, I am kicking the living sh-it out of it.


Sorry, this just had to be posted more than once. Made me chuckle at my desk. Stay strong, NYB.    

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Great outlook Nyb. It's great to see that.

Tough question here. Especially since its so early in the season. Would you mind if the Steelers went 7-9 or whatever record it takes to get the 14-16th pick? Meaning it could land us Te'o ..someone we desperately need? I don't view Timmons as a bust overall, but definitely a bust at 14th overall. I like the guy, obviously very athletic and can make plays. But he isn't and never will be the type that leads a defense. We had that in Farrior. Which I think gets overlooked a lot. If we could get Te'o and he turns out to be the player I believe he would be...not only does it give us that type of leader but also improves Timmons game that much more. So we would be improving not only one spot, but two. Timmons could do more of what we saw glimpses of when farrior was here. Make those athletic plays . ---------------------------- Anyways, I'd never want to see them have a bad season to get a high pick...waiting a whole year for another chance at winning is obviously no fun. However, if we get thru more than half of this season and this team is showing no signs of being a serious playoff contender ( offense will be fine, referring to defense here) you better believe I will hope they lose those last couple of games ( whatever it may be) so we can get that high pick rather than finishing 9-7 or 8-8 and missing the playoffs.

7-9, hmmmm I would rather go 5-11 and pick even earlier. If you are going to tank, tank hard, as long as the Browns get only 4 wins, finishing last would suck.

1-2 and the Defense needs an influx of youth. I am a big supporter of the draft and Dick LeBeau, but I would start McClendion and Heyward for the innefective Hampton and Keisel.

Good to hear you're giving cancer the Tyson uppercut.

Chris Borland*, ILB, Wisconsin
Height: 5-11. Weight: 242.
Projected 40 Time: 4.72.
Projected Round (2013): 3-4.
9/22/12: Borland has 22 tackles with a sack through three games this year.

8/31/12: Borland is a thumper middle linebacker who is an excellent run-stuffer. He totaled 143 tackles win 2011, along with 19 tackles for a loss, five forced fumbles, 2.5 sacks, two interceptions and five passes broken up. Borland missed all but two games in 2010 with a shoulder injury. The freshman had a solid debut in 2009 with 54 tackles and five forced fumbles.

Borland is a tough, physical defender who has a knack for jarring the ball loose. His best fit in the NFL could be on the inside of a 3-4 defense. He may not have the speed and athleticism to play in a 4-3 or be a three-down player. If Borland were a little taller, faster and more athletic, he would go in the first few rounds.

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I watched a lot of the Wisconsin vs Nebraska game last night and this kid impressed me - especialyy vs the run.  Walter's write up says it all really..   would be a nice addition -  no Borland would not be an all-pro - but the kid is solid and looks to be a big contributor on ST also...  Kid has a nose for the football   - is on of those guys you can label a "football player".   His teammate is good too..  I think his name is Taylor. 

Watched some of the WVU vs Baylor track meet - not sure what all the Heisman talk is..  "THose are Heisman type numbers"..  Well I think most of us could put up numbers vs a team that sucks defensively...  Baylor should have run out 11 cardboard figures to play Defense - results would have been about the same...

Watched some Ohio St vs Mich St also...  L. Bell had a human day - 17 rushes for 45 yards - better Receiving.. 8 catches for 58.  Kid runs hard and has a nice set of hands..

Watched Penn State vs Illinois..  Happy for the Nitts.. 

enjoy,

bb

RE: I don't view Timmons as a bust overall, but definitely a bust at 14th overall.

OOoopppss... Your going to get it now. beach,Mano,Hoya,miller fan and quite a few more are going to unleash hell on you for telling the truth about Timmons. Hopefully they dont run you off this sight like they have done to a couple of others.

Your going to get it now. beach,Mano,Hoya,miller fan and quite a few more are going to unleash hell on you for telling the truth about Timmons

Nope.  I actually agree with that statement at this point.  He's a talented football player but has not lived up to the 15th (not 14th) overall pick.  We are now talking about a player who has been in the system for several years and hasn't been able to make the most of his talent.  To me, that is an issue. 

Calling him a bust after his first or second season, though, was ridiculous and still is with the guys calling Heyward a bust or even Ziggy Hood a bust.  Too soon.  Not to mention that Ziggy Hood has been, easily, our best DE through 3 games this year.

Hopefully they dont run you off this sight like they have done to a couple of others.

Oh, grow up!

If there is anybody that actually stops posting on this site because they don't like what I, or anyone else, has to say, too frickin' bad!  Like anybody else, I tell people what I really think.  If that's a problem for somebody I can't help that.  I try to be respectful, but the level of panic and chaos that ensues within this fanbase with every loss is beyond ridiculous.

RE: the level of panic and chaos that ensues within this fan base with every loss is beyond ridiculous.

True but it makes for good tv. This sight is easily the most entertaining sight on cbs message boards.

Your right about you being respectful mano, you shouldnt be considered in that part of my post.

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Walter has 3 rounds up on his mock draft..  Has us taking Lattimore in the First..    the very next pick is Barrett Jones - Me  If these 2 were the BPA when we pick - there is no question I'd take Jones..

Barrett Jones, T/G/C, Alabama
Height: 6-5. Weight: 311.
Projected 40 Time: 5.10.
Projected Round (2013): Top 25.
9/8/12: After his showing in the first game of the season, one would think that Jones has been playing center for years. The senior had an excellent debut at center. Jones was superb in the ground game opening up holes and hitting combo blocks. He was rock solid in pass protection.

I saw him play a couple of times this year - and Walter is right on the money.

Second round Walter has us taking.. James Gayle DE VaTech - I think I've had enough of Worilds and VaTech - very next pick is a kid I talked about already - Marquess Wilson WR Wash State..    if Wallace walks.... and we dotn franchise him for 10 million.....

third round  - Marcus Davis WR VaTech - ok enought with the Hookies...   Still on the board Nico Johnson ILB Alabama, the kid from Wisconsin - Borland and Mauti ILB from PSU....  Duke Williams S Neveda....  I'd take any of the 4 over marcus Davis...


enjoy,

bb

bb,

I would also take Barret Jones over Marcus Lattimore. To me all 3 of the best backs in the country were very average on Saturday. (Lattimore, Ball, and Bell) I do agree though the OSU defense targetted Bell, but  he can catch out of the backfield. If we went Jones and Bell in the first two rounds I could live with that, picking in the 20's. But unless LeBeau and Mitchel figure out how to fix the DL, this is going to be one of those seasons at the end of the Noll era and come April, drafting 12th does not seem impossible.  And for the sunshine and lollipop vs. the Gloom and Doom, I am in wait and see mode. The Eagles game will tell us what direction the Steelers are headed in 2012.

I cannot fault Kevin COlbert, he drafted DL and OL to fix  the problems this team is having, the players are either hurt or not performing well at the moment.

The thing about Barret Jones, he is Trai Essex with way more talent. You could make Doug Legursky expendable because Jones can play anywhere on the line.  What a shame David DeCastro is hurt and Rashard Mendenhall is on the shelf, would love to see that combo out there together to fix the running funk.  I think it is a work in progress for Willie Colon. Not only going from the right side to the left, he is now inside instead of out. The False starts and the holds are all on him though, and for now we have Kemo II.


Stock down on Bacari Rambo for me anyhow. Was not impressed on Saturday, plus his suspension could be a red flag for Colbert.
Stock up obviously on Mark Weisman, another one of those kids who is just a Football player. Smart too, not sure why he left the Air Force Academy. I also did not follow the Marcus Coker transfer, seems like Ferentz had a lot of bad luck with injuires, transfers, suspension.

I mentioned Borland last week, yep maybe not an NFL starter, but a ST demon who can sub at ILB.  Spencer Larsen II ?

Again, watching Minnesota and Iowa was painful, that Beth Mo-Mo was at it again. If you don't understand football, get the flock out of the booth and off my tv. Her and Joey Galloway. They were both dumbfounded at the call on the field and the replay when a Minnesota player (Damarius Travis) was shoved into a bouncing punt and then Iowa picked up the ball and ran with it.  For ten minutes, well it seemed like it, they had to go to the ESPN studio for someone who actually knew the rules. The player cannot be forced into contact to gain posession and then advanced.  IDIOTS on tv. Continually she failed to identify the correct player making the tackle. I am all for equality, just put someone competent on-air who can read names and numbers instead of "guessing".  Not a big fan of Brent Mussphuccer or Krap Herbskeev either, they annoy the bejeus out of me. Sean McDonnough and Matt Millen are a much better tandem. McDonough has the voice and Millen understands the game. (just not the drafting process) 

Kudo's to TheTruth79, who several years ago mentioned Javorske Lane. Wife is a Dolphin's fan, so I am watching some of the Miami games.  This kid can run, block, catch and was a steal as an UDFA.  I know the Dolphins will be drafting top ten, but they don't suck like everyone thinks. Run Defense is good, Pass rush is good, Secondary can be upgraded. But they have a nice OL group of: Long, Incognito, Pouncey, Jerry, Martin. And Ryan Tannehill is the real deal, going to make mistakes, but I think he is ahead of Blaine Gabbert in the scenario where a QB taken after the big names were off the board. Teams desperate for a QB taking the third, fourth, and fifth best option and did not go BPA is becoming the norm, rather than the standard.  Speaking of which, WalterFootball has Mike Glennon gong mid-late third. Not sure he lasts that far, based on the current trends.  

ny

back to Javorskie Lane, back in that 2009 draft his weight was out of control. He spent the last 4 years in and out of The Arena league. The main reason he is with the Dolphins is Mike Sherman, his coach at Texas A&M. Now with a family to support and a new grasp of playing weight and playing shape, looks like he found a niche, hope he sticks and works hard to keep his job. 

One more TOLD YOU SO, to the "experts" in that 2010 Collaborative Draft who thought my pick of Daryl Washington was questionable. 



However from memory, I think I took Kyle Wilson in the first round.

 

very next pick is a kid I talked about already - Marquess Wilson WR Wash State

I would like this kid, too, but I'm a bit higher on DeAndre Hopkins from Clemson. Wilson has more height, but Hopkins has an Arizona-Cardinal-version-of-Anquan-
Boldin feel to him and I think he can be had later.    

I am in wait and see mode. The Eagles game will tell us what direction the Steelers are headed in 2012.

Agreed!  If Polamalu is back it will be the first time this season that both Polamalu and Clark have been on the field at the same time.  I really doubt we will see Harrison anytime soon. Timmons really needs to step up and play to his talent level.  The Steelers offense has looked very good to me for all the injuries they have had on the O Line.  

I've watched a bit of JJ Watt the last few weeks.  I remember thinking he would be very good coming out of Wisconsin.  I never thought he would be this good!  He is dominating in a way that I have never seen from a DE in the 3-4 defense. 

That WV vs Baylor game reminded me more of a basketballl game than football!  What are the feelings about Geno Smith as an NFL QB among the draft nuts on this board?  

  

      

    

He is dominating in a way that I have never seen from a DE in the 3-4 defense.


Two words: Bruce Smith. Okay, maybe three words: Bruce Smith cocaine.

Remember Aaron Smith's 8-sack season? It seems like this guy JJ is gonna make that a year-to-year habit. Personally, I think Cam Heyward could be a formidable 3-4 DE if he finally got the snaps.