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"I don't need to wager on it,"

Nobody NEEDS to wager on anything.  It would be one thing if you were just living under last years standards that as long as the Heat lost, you won, but your talk, your comparisons, would lead anyone here to believe that you felt the Lakers were good enough to be the one to beat the Heat.

I've never said the Lakers would be the ones to squash the Heat's "repeat" hopes, I've simply maintained that the Heat are "One and Done" and won't defend their "* title."  I have no incentive to bet with you on it whatsoever.

Reality is, it was just a test you failed.

Huh?  How do you figure?  The notion of the Heat failing to repeat as "* champions" is clearly something that does seem to sit well with you, and yet you're not willing to back that up by betting that they will - it seems to me that it is you who have failed.

Not only that, it is more fun to have you have after the Heat wins.

I don't know what this means.

"I've never said the Lakers would be the ones to squash the Heat's "repeat" hopes,"

Forget bets, let's just cut to the chase.


What, as of today, assuming all teams are healthy, do you expect from the Lakers?  In other words, how far do you think they will go?


Same questions for Heat? 

What, as of today, assuming all teams are healthy, do you expect from the Lakers?  In other words, how far do you think they will go?

Jury is out on the Lakers until I can actually see a month or two's worth of games with this completely re-tooled roster, offensive schemes, and coaching staff.  If things work out the way I suspect they might, a return trip to the Finals - which would make it their 32nd such appearance in the team's 65 year history - would seem to be a reasonable expectation.  A 17th championship banner hanging in the rafters at Staples is not wholly out of the question.

Same questions for Heat?

Ultimately?  Failure.  Failure to further define themselves in the "Three Kings / Yes.We.Did" era as anything other than * champions...leaving them with 3 Finals apearances in their 24 year history (unless they somehow come out of the East this season), and just 2 titles...well, 1 legit title and 1 asterisk title.

"One And Done" - Learn it. Know it. Live it.

Outside of the Bulls and maybe the Pistons (due to their 5 straight ECF appearances) you can make a case that the Heat been the most successful team in the Eastern Conference since they been in the NBA.

The Heat are a successful franchise.

Outside of the Bulls and maybe the Pistons (due to their 5 straight ECF appearances) you can make a case that the Heat been the most successful team in the Eastern Conference since they been in the NBA.

Um, not sure if you've heard of them, but there is this team in the East called the Boston Celtics; 21 Finals appearances and 17 Championships in their 65 year history,

The Heat are a successful franchise.

If you insist.  Lemme ask you something, punchline...if the Heat fail to "repeat" and win a legitimate title on the heels of their asterisk title, would you consider the franchise, and this "Yes.We.Did" experiment a "success"?

" but there is this team in the East called the Boston Celtics; 21 Finals appearances and 17 Championships in their 65 year history"

And for the past 2 years, since James/Bosh has joined the Heat, they have watched the Heat play in the finals.

Any explanation for that?  



"...if the Heat fail to "repeat" and win a legitimate title on the heels of their asterisk title, would you consider the franchise, and this "Yes.We.Did" experiment a "success"?"



I will ignore the legitimate part.

Tell us once again, how many times was it EVER an asterisk season in your words BEFORE the Heat won?

Seems like that cat has your tonugue on that one.   



Anyway, win or lose, the Heat has been a top example of a successful franchise in the MODERN DAY expansion era.

As far as the Big 3 era, you would (and are) have to be an idiot to say it hsn't been a success so far. From round 1 flame out to finals runner up and nba champs the following 2 years would have been something we all would have signed up for 3 years ago.
As far as this year, it is just INCONCEIVABLE to think a healthy Heat team won't make the Finals again.  


             
   

if the Heat fail to "repeat" and win a legitimate title on the heels of their asterisk title, would you consider the franchise, and this "Yes.We.Did" experiment a "success"?

I won't judge until the big 3 era is over.

Just like I did not judge the era of Boston big 3 until Allen left this offseason.

Um, not sure if you've heard of them, but there is this team in the East called the Boston Celtics; 21 Finals appearances and 17 Championships in their 65 year history,

Can you read? I said the Heat been one of the most successful franchises in the east since they been in the NBA meaning I'm talking about from 1988-Present.

And what have the Celtics done since 1988? Made the finals twice winning the title once while missing the playoffs 9 times

The Heat on the other hand made the finals 3 times while winning it twice while missing the playoffs 8 times

Since 1988, Miami> Boston

"Outside of the Bulls and maybe the Pistons (due to their 5 straight ECF appearances) you can make a case that the Heat been the most successful team in the Eastern Conference since they been in the NBA.

The Heat are a successful franchise."





BK, while your comment is correct, I will let Jefe's comment slide for the most part becasue his numbers (- the *) are correct and his view is tainted as a (jealous of the current situaition) Heat hater.


You can't compare apples to orangs(Jefe) though and think you are making logical sense.

He is counting Laker championships for 50-60 years ago when expansions teams could start out as powerhouses.

In the modern day Heat era, you ALWAYS have to crawl  before you walk, let alone win titles.


There is no smart, logical argument that anyone can make that would say the Heat hasn't  been successful.   


          

        

"Jury is out on the Lakers until I can actually see a month or two's worth of games with this completely re-tooled roster, offensive schemes, and coaching staff. "


I have to take you for your word here, but it seems peculiar being though you felt last years roster+ Sessions made you championship worthy.


You said Howard is upgrade over Bynum (which  agree) and you said Nash is HUGE upgrade @ PG.


Based on that , why the hesitancy?  YOu already know the coaching staff and offensive schemes and you said Nash was the perfect QB to run it/them.



"(unless they somehow come out of the East this season),"


None of the other 14 teams in the East can make that happen. Our biggest obsatcle in the East is staying healthy.  

There are too many pages to review to see if this has already been addressed here: "Explanation of Anti-Flopping Rule" [http://www.nba.com/official/]     - The flops in the video in this article has a few outrageous flops, my favorite is the Tony Parker flop.  Wade's flop - while clearly a flop - was not nearly as egregious.  

Most teams with superstars get calls that go their way and the argument is made that they even out over the year.  It seems to me that the Heat get more than their share, maybe because they have 2.5 superstars.

While Wade was one of the players singled out in the video, and deservedly so, Bosh had more ridiculous flops than Wade (at least in the games I've watched).  If they really enfore this rule, it could really cramp Bosh and Wade's style.


Ultimately?  Failure. ...

"One And Done"  * champions


      LOL!

"One  80% And Done"  * champions

Fixed it for you.

Wish I could read TheHoorse deleted post. That must be the Little Pizza Boy there.

"Wish I could read TheHoorse deleted post."




LOL. you already KNEW the kid was nuts...














CL67     

"All things considered"?? You aren't considering all things.  The Heat adding one of, if not, the best 3 point shooter of all time is a better pick up for THEM, then a PG.

With the Heat adding Ray Allen and the Lakers adding Nash, both teams got exactly what they needed. The Heat needed another outside threat to take pressure off of Wade and James and because it's hard to know what they will get from Mike Miller.

The Lakers needed a legit point guard to run the offense and take that burden off of Kobe. He also happens to be a top outside shooter which is something else the Lakers needed. 

The additions were good for both teams and should make both teams better, how much better is yet to be determined. 

"Well, he's a perfect fit for the Lakers - the perfect compliment to the other starters on this Lakers roster."


We,, how about this. Find a way for your group of perfect players to still be playing in June so we can find out.

If your team can't find a way to make that hapen, then all your analysis, all your predictions mean ZERO.

What ever happens between Heat/Lakers in regular season games, in essence means nothing unless for some reason it would implicate seeding further down the road.



Heat fans can say with all the confidence in the world that we will be there.

Do you feel the same way?

The answer is NO, becasue if you did, you would take YOUR team to be the one to cause the "one and done".             

Poor Turnip, it's Saturday and first thing on his mind was responding on his man crush for the three  divas chances to get NOT ONE after winning a * not 80%.

Keep the high hopes as the Heat will win the East, but it will be finals loss #2, in a full season, and Heat Haters 2 Heat lovers .80 as you morons spend three years on a fail attempt for us to show some love for that idiot head case LeBum James. 

BOOK IT losers and stock up on tissues to wipe your faces along with your  man crush heroes! 

Have a great Saturday Turnip  

"Poor Turnip, it's Saturday and first thing on his mind was responding on his man crush for the three divas chances to get NOT ONE after winning a * not 80%."




LMAO!!! talk about a single, central, unshakeable truth... 














CL67

You guys are talking about Steve Nash like this is 2004 when he was winning MVPS.

He doesn't have to be. He just needs to be last years Steve Nash.

If any other team signed the guy, you would be trashing the guy

Can't speak for anyone else, but I wouldn't. I've always liked Nash and would watch him and want him to do well no matter who got him (including the Heat), I just love watching the guy play.

He's a good player but he's not as good as you guys are making him seem. He is closer to 10th in my PG ranking then he is to # 1.

I'd agree with that. I see him as about the 5th or 6th best. And that's about 24 places better than what we have had for the last several seasons. That is an enormous upgrade.

"Punchline, the difference is that the Lakers haven't had a playmaking point guard quarterbacking the team since Magic Johnson, and especially not a pick and roll combo the likes of Nash and Howard.  Good luck "occasionally doubling" while Pau and Kobe wait for "whoever" to react to that."



Jefe, you seem to have very strong beiliefs that the Lakers have everything needed to win a championship this year.


If so, then why the hesitation to just simply bet Heat vs Lakers, who has the better season, all or nothing?


      

Can you read? I been saying the Heat will show some double to Dwight for the last 2 days.

I never said that. I always said the Heat would double Dwight at times....Let's stop lying on me.

Gotta say, no one has ever accused me of lying on these boards before now. You stated this on 10/4/2012 at 10:17pm according to the post:

The Heat did double Howard before but that was when Joel was our Center not Bosh who has much more height.

What that says to me, and maybe I'm just misunderstanding, is that you do not believe the Heat will double Howard because Bosh is now your center and not Joel Anthony. Misunderstanding what you meant? Maybe. Lying on you? Definitely not.

Yep so now one of the best defensive teams in the league will turn into one of the worse...This is seriously the stupidest **** I've ever heard.  No team is dumb enough to double all of the Lakers 4.

OMG, punchline, have you lost your mind?  Are you seriously that dense?

Okay, now I don't know if you are being serious and just don't understand the game or if you are just being funny. Of course no one is going to try to double team all 4 of them, all game every game.

Oh, so now I see that you are changing your theory. Maybe you're learning a little about basketball after all. Glad I could help!!  First you say the Heat won't have to do any doubling, now you say 2 of the 4 will be doubled at times.

LOL!  trojanfan, don't trifle with punchline's basketball genius!  He gets very defensive when anybody dares to question his vast and formidable basketball mind.

LOL!  trojanfan, don't trifle with punchline's basketball genius!  He gets very defensive when anybody dares to question his vast and formidable basketball mind.

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Thats why I didn't bother to reply to his research on how great of jump shooter LeBum was. All I seen was clanks in games as a Heat on TV and flop in the finals.  MaybeI need to get NBA TV to see the rest awesome shooting % vs the poor teams. 

Punchline, LOL

Turnip, LOL