The Giants record would be well below .500 without Manning.

I don't think the Giants will win a game without Eli. Steelers almost beat the Ravens, one of the best teams in the NFL without Ben.

I don't think the Giants will win a game without Eli. Steelers almost beat the Ravens, one of the best teams in the NFL without Ben
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Put down the crack pipe NOW! The Giants record would be unchanged if David Carr was the QB, and the Ravens right now are as crummy as anyone. If you watched that game last night, both teams looked like huge steaming piles of ****, and the Ravens could only beat a pile of **** by 3 points.

No Sol it wasn't that. The Steelers defense was carrying the team.....As usual








David Carr......HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 

David Carr......HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 
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You know what is funny? Carr has a higher Career Completion % and lower INT% than Eli ......HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 

You know what is funny? Carr has a higher Career Completion % and lower INT% than Eli ......HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 

Not significant. Eli has more than twice the attempts Carr has. Those #'s would be worse if he had the same attempts as Eli.

Try again 

Not significant. Eli has more than twice the attempts Carr has. Those #'s would be worse if he had the same attempts as Eli.

Actually when you divide their career # of attempts by the # of ints they have thrown in their careers. Eli has thrown an interception every 30 attempts while Carr has thrown 1 every 31. Career #s for Eli gets worse by the second. 

You know what is funny? Carr has a higher Career Completion % and lower INT% than Eli

Yeah, because Carr has started about 1/3 as many games as Eli Manning and has thrown probably 1/3 as many passes as well....your schit cracks me up Sally.

No Sol it wasn't that. The Steelers defense was carrying the team.....As usual
Better than the special teams carrying the team to the Super Bowl every year.  

I don't think the Giants will win a game without Eli
Kurt Warner actually won more games in 2004 than Eli did with those Giants.

Steelers almost beat the Ravens, one of the best teams in the NFL without Ben.
Didn't Browns almost beat the Ravens? How about dem Eagles and Cowboys? They almost did too along with the Chiefs, Pats, among others.  Romo almost beat the Giants with Eli in the game after throwing 4 interceptions. Giants beat the 49ers without Eli 2x.....one of the best teams in the NFL.

this whole post is retarded..eli has never missed the game meanwhile ben misses games every year when his va ginal secretion flares up.. did you take your meds this morning you steaming bag of douche? it seems as though you might be swallowmen because right now you coming underneath him as far as retarded posts go   

this whole post is retarded..eli has never missed the game meanwhile ben misses games every year when his va ginal secretion flares up.. did you take your meds this morning you steaming bag of douche? it seems as though you might be swallowmen because right now you coming underneath him as far as retarded posts go  
Thanks for hurting my feelings.....you ruined my day!! I'm not steaming at all. I'm winning the debate right now. I'm not throwing out insults because I'm losing like my opposition. I think it is funny watching NYG fans struggle vs me. Kurt Warner started like 9 games for the NYG in 2004. He was like 5-4 and gave the reigns to Eli where he won like 1 out of 7. So yes, Giants are over .500 when Eli didn't play.

The Giants record would be unchanged if David Carr was the QB, and the Ravens right now are as crummy as anyone.

Yeah, that David Carr is a real game-changer...he's a baller! He's a playa!......sounds like SOMEBODY needs to put the crackpipe down, but it isn't EIG.

I don't think the Giants will win a game without Eli
Kurt Warner actually won more games in 2004 than Eli did with those Giants.

Steelers almost beat the Ravens, one of the best teams in the NFL without Ben.
Didn't Browns almost beat the Ravens? How about dem Eagles and Cowboys? They almost did too along with the Chiefs, Pats, among others.  Romo almost beat the Giants with Eli in the game after throwing 4 interceptions. Giants beat the 49ers without Eli 2x.....one of the best teams in the NFL.
    

Kurt Warner actually won more games in 2004 than Eli did with those Giants.

That's because Kurt Warner was the starter for the NYG back in 2004, while Eli Manning rode the bench for the 1st 5 or 6 games as a rookie.....and the point is????

Giants beat the 49ers without Eli 2x.....one of the best teams in the NFL.

Huh?  When and where did this happen?...in some alternate universe? Eli Manning and the Giants have played the 49ers 3X over the past year and have beaten them twice most recently.....Can I please have some of what you're smoking FOOL?

That's because Kurt Warner was the starter for the NYG back in 2004, while Eli Manning rode the bench for the 1st 5 or 6 games as a rookie.....and the point is???
Point is, Giants were better with Warner than with Eli.  

    Huh?  When and where did this happen?...in some alternate universe? Eli Manning and the Giants have played the 49ers 3X over the past year and have beaten them twice most recently.....Can I please have some of what you're smoking FOOL?
Eli wasn't the factor in the last victory nor was he in the NFC championship game.    

Point is, Giants were better with Warner than with Eli. 

Oh ok....if that were true then the Giants would not have drafted Eli Manning, who's helped them win 2 SBs...they would have simply done that with Kurt Warner instead......see ya stupid you sound with this right now? 

Eli wasn't the factor in the last victory nor was he in the NFC championship game. 

Yes he was.....in the NFCC game, his 300+yds and 2TDs and 0INTs say otherwise.......in their most recent matchup, no, Eli wasn't as much of a factor, but he didn't have to be since the defense was outstanding and so was their running game.

Oh ok....if that were true then the Giants would not have drafted Eli Manning,
Kurt Warner was benched by the Rams coming off two really bad seasons. Kurt wasn't exactly young either at the time. They went ahead and drafted Eli with their top pick so he could learn from Kurt. Packers drafted Rodgers with Brett Favre still on the team in 2005. Brett led the Packers to the NFC championship game in 2007 w/14-2 record. So drafting a QB really doesn't mean much of anything. Rivers, Eli, and Big Ben all sit on the bench during the 2004 season. Just so happened that starter got hurt which is why Ben got the chance to be the starter. Turned out having one of the best rookie season ever. Is in my opinion by far!! Rivers sat a couple season behind Brees. At the time, rookies really never started. They got a chance to sit and what not. Not like now days when they just throw a rookie out there. Why did the trend start? Big Ben, Flacco, and Matt Ryan. Kurt Warner was benched after 4 losses I believe were straight. Which is the only reason they gave the reigns to Eli. Eli didn't have much success at all with that crew. He actually did worse. 1 game had a 0 passer rating. 1 of the few who has had both a perfect passer rating and a 0 passer rating game.

  they would have simply done that with Kurt Warner instead......see ya stupid you sound with this right now?
Kurt Warner wasn't himself. He had some bad years in a row. When the NYG lost several in a row. They decided to go with the future.   Kurt Warner was benched by the Rams before he came there losing a QB battle to Marc Bulger. His career was never quite the same til 2008 year in Arizona.

Yes he was.....in the NFCC game, his 300+yds and 2TDs and 0INTs say otherwise.......in their most recent matchup, no, Eli wasn't as much of a factor, but he didn't have to be since the defense was outstanding and so was their running game.
How was the NFCC game decided by? How many yards did he gain in that final drive? He gained negative yardage.... 

Rivers, Eli, and Big Ben all sit on the bench during the 2004 season.

Ben got an earlier start.

Eli didn't have much success at all with that crew. He actually did worse. 1 game had a 0 passer rating. 1 of the few who has had both a perfect passer rating and a 0 passer rating game.

There were not that great of expecations for Eli during his rookie year, as is the case with most rookie qbs.

When the NYG lost several in a row. They decided to go with the future.   Kurt Warner was benched by the Rams before he came there losing a QB battle to Marc Bulger. His career was never quite the same til 2008 year in Arizona.

Exactly....my point is that the NYG organization expected Manning to be their future, which is why they traded for him....and it has truly paid enormous dividends.

How was the NFCC game decided by? How many yards did he gain in that final drive? He gained negative yardage....

How many yards did Manning throw for? How many TD passes did he throw?  The DIFFERENCE in that game was the turnovers/special teams....but Manning's contribution to the win was very LARGE. 

Giants ABOUT to  get HOSED by  the discount double-check ,,,,,,,cant wait to hear , how  a few  losses is a good thing  AFTER that game

 And what will you be saying about the Bucs after they get "dirty birded" by the Falcons this Sunday and your brief moment in the sun of being a playoff contender is over?   Unless your season is already about talking about any team but the Bucs?

Ben got an earlier start.
Eli has played in more games .

There were not that great of expecations for Eli during his rookie year, as is the case with most rookie qbs
There wasn't high expectations for Eli when his last name is Manning and he was picked #1 overall?   
   
How many yards did Manning throw for? How many TD passes did he throw?  The DIFFERENCE in that game was the turnovers/special teams....but Manning's contribution to the win was very LARGE

Nope....

There wasn't high expectations for Eli when his last name is Manning and he was picked #1 overall?  

Right out of the gate?....absolutely not.....over the course of his development?...most certainly, and that has already happened......his last name's reputation was only in place because of Peyton...that's a huge shadow to stand in...but despite Eli not being AS skilled of a qb as Peyton, he's still performed better in the post-season than Peyton and has won more SBs and playoff games.

Right out of the gate?....absolutely not.....over the course of his development?...most certainly, and that has already happened......
Whatever you say....keep tellling yourself that. Maybe someone will believe you.

but despite Eli not being AS skilled of a qb as Peyton, he's still performed better in the post-season than Peyton and has won more SBs and playoff games.
Does that make him better than Peyton too?  Better than Brady among others?
  

Whatever you say....keep tellling yourself that. Maybe someone will believe you.

I don't have to.....we've all seen it happen already, and anyone with even 1/2 a brain knows this to be true after 2 SB wins in 5 years......but ofcourse, you don't apply to this category ATFOOL.

Does that make him better than Peyton too?  Better than Brady among others?

I'm sorry....I know reading comprehension isn't your strong suit FOOL, but please go back and RE-READ my quote below....

but despite Eli not being AS skilled of a qb as Peyton, he's still performed better in the post-season than Peyton and has won more SBs and playoff games.

Look closely now FOOL.....even YOU can understand this^^^^

Look closely now FOOL.....even YOU can understand this^^^^
What makes Peyton better than Eli? 

I don't have to.....we've all seen it happen already, and anyone with even 1/2 a brain knows this to be true after 2 SB wins in 5 years......but ofcourse, you don't apply to this category ATFOOL
Big Ben has already been there and done that. Like I said, Eli is still playing catch up.......  
  

What makes Peyton better than Eli? 

Peyton is simply just a better qb...he's one of the greatest of all time....is this really a question?

Big Ben has already been there and done that. Like I said, Eli is still playing catch up....... 

They've both been in the league the same amount of time...Ben's been there and done that no more or less than Manning has in terms of championships and playoffs. 

Peyton is simply just a better qb...he's one of the greatest of all time....is this really a question?
I know Peyton is better than Eli, but according to you....playoff stats make the better QB. That is why he is supposed to be better than Ben even though he isn't.

  They've both been in the league the same amount of time...Ben's been there and done that no more or less than Manning has in terms of championships and playoffs.

Ben has won and played in more playoff games. He has won more games. He has a better winning % overall. Better stats overall throughout his career. He also owns more records in the NFL. I could go on.....Eli is still playing catch up. 

How many yards did Manning throw for? How many TD passes did he throw?  The DIFFERENCE in that game was the turnovers/special teams....but Manning's contribution to the win was very LARGE

Nope....

Then I suggest you either go re-watch that game on youtube or get your head examined...what ever works for you bub.

The Giants record would be well below .500 without Manning.
So what you are saying is, Manning is more valuable to his team than the likes of Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, and Ben?  If you answer yes....I'm not gonna lie, I'm going to laugh out loud!!

Manning is more valuable to his team than the likes of Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, and Ben?  If you answer yes....I'm not gonna lie, I'm going to laugh out loud!!

Let's see here....I'll cite 3 specific examples at opposite extremes for you FOOL:

1) The Patriots lose Brady to a torn ACL/MCL for the year but still finish 11-5 with friggin Matt Cassel, of all people.
2) The Colts put Peyton Manning on IR for the year due to neck surgery, and they finish 1-15 was it?
3) Last season, the Steelers go 4-0 at the beginning of the season without Pig Ben because he was suspended 4 games for raping that girl.

How's that for an analysis? Once again FOOL, you.....  

FAIL 

2) The Colts put Peyton Manning on IR for the year due to neck surgery, and they finish 1-15 was it?
NO!! NYG fans doesn't even have an idea of what they are talking about. Colts are a playoff team without Peyton this year.

Let's see here....I'll cite 3 specific examples at opposite extremes for you FOOL
 So you are giving analysis why? You didn't even answer the question or even address Rodgers.

3) Last season, the Steelers go 4-0 at the beginning of the season without Pig Ben because he was suspended 4 games for raping that girl.
All the fails you put at the end of your post, but you've consistantly made mistakes in your posts. Colts were 2-14 not 1-15. Ben wasn't suspended last year for raping "that girl". How many fails can one make in a post?  
  
Once again FOOL, you..... 

FAIL
Once again, the only one failing here is you with consistant mistakes. No wonder you are a fan of Eli's. You both consistantly make mistakes........