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how many times in the red zone today without points?  3?  should be at the very least 22-3...

let em hang around, turnovers, fail to score in the end zone...  

Raiders trail by 3...

Can we fire Shurmer at the end of the third quarter? 

Raiders have been giving up an average f 40 points per game the last 4 weeks.  Today the Browns have scored what 13?  

 [Terry Pluto‏<s> @</s> terrypluto]

Buster Skrine beat on a 64 yard TD pass, that's what happens when you don't get a TD, get a FG blocked and refuse to take control of game.

Sigh.

what to do with these guys?? 

Whew!  Great win!  Wished we could've got more TD's but hey...a win is a win.

About the play-calling:  This is a Westcoast offense.  Sholdn't be surprised when they throw it on 3rd and short.   

About the play-calling:  This is a Westcoast offense.  Sholdn't be surprised when they throw it on 3rd and short.   

Not surprised.  Aggravated tends to describe it.  It is great when you throw when teams aren't expecting it and it gets complete.  But as one legendary coach once said: "only three things can happen when you pass it, and two of them aren't good." Or words to that effect.  Luckily our guys were pretty much sure-handed all game long.  Overall I thought the play-calling was good today.  Who knew that you could run sweeps and play-action to catch the defense off-guard?  Shurmur and Childress were focused today.  There was little hesitation or indecision when it counted.  I'll give credit where it is due.  They actually took it to the opponent on offense for a change.  Still have to work on finishing in the red zone.  There is no way the Raiders should have been able to apply pressure that late in a game. 

I hear ya, longbombgudnite.


Hey, where is your av pic from??  You create that yourself somewhere?

By [Lane Adkins] OBR Football Analyst
Posted Dec 2, 2012

Quick thought and observations coming from the Browns win in Oakland.

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- Say what you want, this Browns team is improving and much better than a season ago. While the game is ultimately judged on the record, it’s easy to see this team is developing.

- Head coach Pat Shurmur draws the ire of fans and media with some of game-day decisions, but the head coach is also gaining a better grasp of his game-day duties. We can sit back and criticize his play-calling and issues with disrupting the flow of the game, this team comes out prepared and is very competitive.

- The fourth and two call was gutsy of Shurmur and showed confidence in his offense. Now, I wonder why he didn’t challenge the spot on the QB sneak and used a time out.

- As the season has progressed, the Browns have become increasingly physical and it showed in Oakland. The Raiders got physical with the Browns at the point of attack and the Browns punched the Raiders in the mouth. Watching some of the blocks and push coming from offensive linemen was good to see.

- The [Oakland Raiders] defense isn’t one to stop the opposition, but QB [Brandon Weeden] threw the ball well today. It was refreshing to see Weeden look downfield and make some very good throws. This aspect has been missing from the Browns offense in past weeks.

- While the Browns offensive line has done a good job protecting Weeden, the run blocking remains a concern. Far too often the defense penetrates the line of scrimmage, leaving little room for consistent positive plays coming from RB [Trent Richardson].

- G [Shawn Lauvao]’s inconsistency drives me nuts. I love the aggressiveness; I wish he had better feet.

- RT [Mitchell Schwartz] is playing well. The Browns may ultimately end-up with the best combination of tackles in the league due to the excellence of LT [Joe Thomas].

- Rookie WR [Josh Gordon] makes it look too easy on the playing field. There are very few WR’s in this game that can swipe a ball out of mid-air one handed like he can and continue with his momentum. Gordon’s route-running is improving and he has the potential to be a legitimate number-one rec eiver and he is getting close.

- WR [Greg Little] made a couple nice grabs, but nothing bigger than the huge block he laid on [Mohamed Massaquoi]’s 54-yard reception.

- Though the defensive line only got to Raiders QB [Carson Palmer], there was an element of pressure throughout the game. Looking forward, the Browns really need a pass rushing presence to take pressure off the defensive backs.

- CB [Buster Skrine] plays with all he has, but his size continues to be an issue. The young man simply cannot match-up with bigger receivers and he doesn’t trust his game enough to play without grabbing onto the receiver.

- Veteran [Sheldon Brown] keeps plugging away and used his physical nature on Raiders receivers throughout the game.

- Without a doubt, CB [Joe Haden] and S [T.J. Ward] are significant influences on game-day for the Browns.

Who the hell decided to wake Cleveland up,  the team is better than the record would indicate, whats worse for me is i think they get way better next year. Gawd i hate you people, congrats on the win.

 TC ..Thanks man ..nice to feel the love


then again you will really hate us next year me thinks


we will still buy you guys a round



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Your always welcome in these parts

What to do with them ?

 

support them thats what we do with them . there young & there growing up in front of our eyes . they get better every game . there not there yet . still a few pieces Away from contending .

Shurmur as aggravating as he can be has also improved . then again he had only one way to go

 

bluez, I think coach should keep his job.  I know he probably won't due to the change in ownership.  Too bad.  I like the guy.
 

By [Don Delco] OBR Browns Reporter
Posted Dec 2, 2012

The Browns’ inability to close out games cost them wins against the Philadelphia Eagles, Indianapolis Colts and Baltimore Ravens.

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It was up to the [Cleveland Browns] offense to go for the jugular, as the cliché goes.

It was time for the Browns to grab control of Sunday’s game and cement a road victory.

It wasn’t looking promising. The [Oakland Raiders] pulled to within three points in the fourth quarter and were driving looking to take the lead. The Raiders were first-and-10 at the Browns’ 33-yard line when [Carson Palmer] looked down the sidelines toward Juron Criner. [Sheldon Brown], yes, that Sheldon Brown, leaped in front of Criner for the interception.

The Browns took over on their own 6-yard line. It was time to secure a win.

We’ve been here before this season. The Browns’ inability to close out games cost them wins against the [Philadelphia Eagles], [Indianapolis Colts] and [Baltimore Ravens]

On Sunday, the Browns finally secured a win.

After Brown’s interception, the Browns drove 94 yards in 14 plays and took 6:04 off the clock culminating in a 3-yard touchdown run by [Trent Richardson]. The drive, for the most part, was a thing of beauty. Richardson had five carries for 16 yards and the touchdown while [Brandon Weeden] was 4 of 5 passing for 63 yards. The team even converted a fourth-and-inches.

It was a game-winning drive from a team who has struggled to simply win this season. Better now than never. Twelve games have been played and there is noticeable improvement from certain areas of this team. It showed on that drive, which the Browns manufactured when they needed it the most. Now, the easy thing is to compare this late-season surge in victories to what happened in 2009.

That season, the Browns’ 1-11 start finished with four victories against bad teams. These Browns aren’t beating the league’s best, but these games are just the confidence booster a young team needs.

Heartbreaking losses have been aplenty this season going way back to the season opener in early September. Do not underestimate just how young the Browns roster was a few months ago. Twelve games later, the signs are pointing to a positive future.

The defense continues to play well, cause turnovers and keep the team in games.

The offense is showing signs of producing actual playmakers, the latest being wide receiver [Josh Gordon]’s big day.

Forget who the Browns are beating. Forget the margin of victory should have been larger the last two weeks. Forget the wins came against a third-string quarterback and a franchise that is worse off than the Browns.

It’s a win. Four of them, in fact, to match last year’s total. The Browns young players are improving. The team is still some pieces away, maybe even a new head coach, from being a bona fide contender. Yet you can see an actual foundation.

Capable quarterback. True No. 1 wide receiver. Dynamic, work-horse running back. Solid left tackle anchoring a decent offensive line. Good defensive line. Top-notch cornerback. And, last but not least, the league’s best place kicker.

The Browns first three wins this season were a result of the team hanging on to win. With 9:31 remaining in Sunday’s game, the Browns went to work and secured the victory. That’s a big step for a young team

Great stuff, bluez.

A bizarre, surreal, and tragic NFL weekend carried with it a very unexpected silver lining.

From this point forward, I have new respect for Chiefs quarterback [Brady Quinn].

I don’t care about Quinn’s performance or the fact that the Chiefs won.  Quinn’s post-game remarks were eloquent and heartfelt and they captured perfectly one of the things we risk losing as a society that communicates primarily in snippets of misspelled words and emoticons.

“The one thing people can hopefully try to take away, I guess, is the relationships they have with people,” Quinn told reporters after the game.  “I know when it happened, I was sitting and, in my head, thinking what I could have done differently.  When you ask someone how they are doing, do you really mean it?  When you answer someone back how you are doing, are you really telling the truth?

“We live in a society of social networks, with Twitter pages and Facebook, and that’s fine, but we have contact with our work [associates], our family, our friends, and it seems like half the time we are more preoccupied with our phone and other things going on instead of the actual relationships that we have right in front of us.  Hopefully, people can learn from this and try to actually help if someone is battling something deeper on the inside than what they are revealing on a day-to-day basis.”

These are words that we should all study, and heed.  I’ll be printing them out, keeping a copy on my desk, and reminding my son of Quinn’s thoughts whenever I can.

It’s impossible to know whether greater sensitivity by those around [Jovan Belcher] could have prevented Saturday’s events.  Chances are it wouldn’t have mattered.  But the lesson is that we should all be more attentive to the people whose lives are intertwined with ours, through our families or our friends or our places of work.  We enter and exit this world alone, but we are in between those moments part of a broad and complex fabric that both provides us with support and commands it from us.

Let’s remember that the next time — and every time — we’re more worried about interacting with someone who isn’t in the room than someone who is.

Yeah, I was really impressed with BQ.  He really made me think with those comments.


 

Congrats all Browns and Rams fans, 2 in a row, when the stupid media thought we would win just 2 each.  Both teams are improving but bluez, if the Browns keep winning, I am really afraid that they will keep Shurmur and that I believe would be a mistake.  Get what we can get this year from the Browns and do a good draft and hire a better play caller and HC.  This team will compete for the division as soon as next year with the right personnel at the top.

A "Winnig Streak" !!!!!

Bluez, hit it, with your point on "closing" a game. It is the nature of young teams to suffer losses in games they "could have had", as they learn what it takes to clsoe games. Until they do it, they don't trust that they can.

Shurmur's fate lies ahead, as does the team's, since his departure will mean another "restart", no matter how you slice it. Slam showed the good sense to wait til the end of the year to make that judgement (fans like me, called for his scalp weekly), and now we may be seeing a coach creating his own opportunity to keep his job, by "winning it".

So if we win 3 of 4, finsh with 7 victories, which translates to 5 & 1  or  6 & 3   or   7 and 4, whichever time line you prefer, that is a pretty impressive finish, and IMO he returns.

Who have Slam/Banner targeted as potential replacements, cause if PS gets us to 7 wins, then whoever they look at had betterr be able to achieve  500 next year, cause I would expect Shurmu to achieve that.

I know Shurmur has driven us all mad at one time or another, even multiple times, but you are right bluez, he has improved. In many ways, he and his team have indeed grown toghether, and that to me is another component, Just like we expect our Rookie QB to learn and grow, so too does our rookie coach.

If the yardstick is victories, does 7 get it done for you?

As for the Streak: if we put away KC, will they start to believe. I will start to think the unthinkable ( 8 & 8 ). Hope in Browntown?

I agree that Shurmur has improved.  I really hope they keep him though they probably won't.

I agree that Shurmur has improved.  I really hope they keep him though they probably won't.

I will admit he has improved as well.  But let's not get it twisted. Two is a developing pattern, three or more is a trend.  I won't really be able to get a feel about his future potential until maybe the second Steelers game when and if Ben Roethlisberger is back.  Pressure applied to this team and how it responds under his leadership is the main component I am watching.  These past two games have been nice wins, but not exactly full supporting casts on the other side of the ball.  I realize it is kind of unfair as you have to play who is in front of you.  BUT we are talking about a whole other season and beyond.  Will we just be pulling an Eric Mangini and keeping him around for what ifs sake?  I do like the guy as well, but is he really the best candidate for a team that is starting to turn the corner is the question.  We could take major strides next year.  I'd like ot give him the benefit of the doubt, but I just think there are more qualified guys out there.  If he were to be let go, I would hope he would catch on somewhere else.  He can develop into a good coach one day, I believe.  But if we were to get off to a start next year like we did this one, we would be throwing our season away by the bye week.  And then what? It is a tough position I wouldn't want to be in if I were either Jimmy Haslam or Joe Banner.