BEREA — This week’s matchup has a lot of subplots to it, but one of the more interesting is two of the Browns No. 1 draft choices in the last five years will face one another.
[Brandon Weeden] was selected with the Brown’s 22<sup> nd</sup> overall pick in 2012.
[Brady Quinn] was selected with the Browns’ 22<sup> nd</sup> overall pick in 2007.
Weeden has thrown more passes in his rookie season than Quinn did in his three years with the Browns. During his career in Cleveland, Quinn threw 353 passes with 10 touchdowns and nine interceptions. The only year he played significantly was in 2009 when he was 136-of-256 for 1,339 yards with eight touchdowns and seven interceptions. His rating was 67.2. Quinn threw just eight passes his rookie year as [Derek Anderson] was having a Pro Bowl season and then was 45-of-89 for 518 yards with two touchdowns and two interceptions in 2008.
Contrast that to Weeden, who is 247-of-433 for 2,820 yards (57 pct.) with 13 touchdowns and 15 interceptions. His rating is 72.3.
Quinn, who grew up in Columbus a Browns fan thought his dreams had come true when Phil Savage engineered a draft day trade to select Quinn with the team’s second first-round draft choice.
“Things never go how you expect them to go in life,” Quinn said. “I learned my NFL career can’t take more than one day at a time.”
Quinn, 28, is in his sixth NFL season. Weeden, 29, is in his first.
“In Cleveland, we had a couple of rough seasons,” he said. “It definitely feels likes it’s been a long time. You can look at it two ways. I feel blessed. I loved the guys there, the fans and had such a wonderful time, that’s why I was shocked when I got the call that I was traded.”
In one of the first moves when Mike Holmgren came in was to trade Quinn to the Broncos, ironically, for [Peyton Hillis] and draft choices.
Quinn was asked why he thought things didn’t work out with the Browns.
“That’s not for me to decide,” he said. “I wish there had been more stability when I was there. I look back and there are only six or seven (players) that were there then just three years ago.”
A holdout aborted his opportunity to play in 2007 as Anderson seized the opportunity and had a career year. Crennel was fired after the 2008 season and Eric Mangini became the coach.
“He came in and competed the first year for (the starting job) and then got hurt,” Crennel said. “He didn’t get much time as the quarterback and the next staff came in and moved him to Denver.”
After sitting for the majority of his two seasons in Denver behind [Kyle Orton] and [Tim Tebow], Quinn re-united with Crennel as an unrestricted free agent in 2012. Quinn was the backup to [Matt Cassel] the first five games, but took over when Cassel suffered a concussion. He started two games and then suffered a concussion himself. After missing two games, Quinn returned and started the last two weeks.
Last week, against the Panthers Quinn was 19-of-23 (82.6 pct.) for 201 yards with two touchdowns. His rating was 132.1 and the completion percentage is the highest single game completion percentage in Chief’s history.
For the season, Quinn is 67-of-106 for 635 yards (63.2 pct.) with two touchdowns and four interceptions. His rating is 70.3.
Pat Shurmur was impressed with Quinn’s game against the Panthers.
“I think he had an outstanding game last week,” he said. “He lead his team to victory. He’s a big guy and he uses his legs. He played a good game last week.”
Crennel is getting what he was hoping to from Quinn.
“Brady has been very level-headed since I had him in Cleveland,” Crennel said. “He’s a born leader and has displayed that leadership.
“He did a nice job and has done a good job managing the game,” Crennel said. “We didn’t turn the ball over and we were able to put points on the board.”
Former [Notre Dame] coach and Chiefs offensive coordinator [Charlie Weis] lobbied for the Browns to draft Quinn.
“We’re looking for consistency and Charlie still feels that way (about him).”
Shurmur said it speaks to Quinn’s character that he has persevered through a rocky NFL career thus far.
“I think what happens comes from the individual to go and work and prepare yourself to play and when you get the opportunity to go play, you do well,” he said. “I think the player tends to motivate himself.”
Quinn is trying to seize the opportunity to be the long-term starter for the Chiefs.
“I look at the opportunity to start as an opportunity to start and I want to make the most of it.”
He said he’s learned from his experiences with the Browns, Broncos and now the Chiefs.
“Any time you have more experience and game experience you will be more comfortable,” he said. “I’ve been through some many systems, coaching changes and I think I’ve done a good job adjusting. Any time I did get to play, I got better.”
Browns fans wish Quinn success, but not Sunday.
Notebook
Grieving Chiefs Prepare: The Chiefs won an emotional game last week over the Panthers just a day after LB Javon Belcher murdered his girlfriend and then shot himself in front of coach [Romeo Crennel] at the Chiefs practice facility.
Crennel was given a lot of credit for his calming influence in a tough situation.
“It was huge,” Quinn said. “He was the steady rock in the midst of everything. I think situations like this show why God puts people in (certain) places.”
Crennel admitted it has been very difficult for him personally.
“You can’t get away from it,” Crennel said. “But in the business that we’re in, you have to move on. That’s how life is and you have to deal with things.”
Quinn said the team went through an entire range of emotions.
“It was extremely difficult shocking at first and sadness for the entire situation,” he said. “As friends teammates, it puts things in perspective. I don’t know if there’s a way to sum it up, but there was a lot of soul-searching and praying.”
Quinn was asked how the team was able to go out and play.
“We just had to focus and do the best can in the game,” he said. “I think the team understands what it has to do and that’s to do our jobs.”
Shurmur was impressed with the way Crennel has handled the situation.
“I respect him a great deal and he has accomplished a great deal,” Shurmur said. “In situations like this your character gets revealed.
“A lot of what we do as coaches is to lead and inspire and lead guys through situations that are not always ideal. There are always tough days and how do you inspire your guys to push through tough days.”
Captain Mitchell: Rookie OL [Mitchell Schwartz] was selected to be the fourth captain for the week.
“He’s another good choice,” Shurmur said. “When you go through our starting lineup we have a lot of rookies and (the captains) chose wisely.”
Peyton’s Place: Former Browns RB Peyton Hillis signed with the Chiefs as an unrestricted free agent after having a less than stellar season in 2011 with the Browns. In 2010, Hillis rushed for over 1,000 yards for the Browns and landed on the cover of Madden.
In 2012, Hillis has 193 yards on the season with just one touchdown. He’s caught nine passes for 56 yards. His biggest game was 11 carries for 66 yards early in the season. He injured his ankle and missed three games.
Crennel was asked about Hillis.
“He’s been good, but was a little banged up and missed some time,” Crennel said. “Last week, he ran well, blocked well and was what we were expecting of him.”
Shurmur knows what Hillis can do and also RB [Jamaal Charles].
“They’re one of the finer running teams in the league,” he said. “Jamaal Charles can score from anywhere. They spell him with Peyton Hillis, who got a touchdown last week.”
Besides Hillis and Quinn, there are connections between the Browns and GM [Scott Pioli], Crennel and former Browns offensive coordinator [Brian Daboll].
“I’m aware (of those),” Shurmur said. “Every game that’s played there is crossover almost every week. What’s important as we get ready to play is that it’s the Browns against the Chiefs. There’s always crossover and you always want to do well against someone you played or coached for.”
Travel Channel Show: Shurmur gave his take on the Travel Channel show that made its debut Tuesday night on “Browns: Road Tested”.
“I did get a chance to preview it and thought it was done pretty well,” he said. “I hope what people take away from this is there are a lot of talented people around here. There wasn’t a leaking of competitive information.”
Healthy Team: For the first time in a long, long time all 53 players were practicing during the time the media was able to watch. DB [Usama Young] (head) returned and DB [Dimitri Patterson] was practicing, as well.
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,December 5, 2012 4:19 pm
Browns Pro Bowl left tackle Joe Thomas vented his frustration this afternoon when talking to reporters about his former teammate Peyton Hillis, who will visit Cleveland on Sunday as a member of the Kansas City Chiefs. Hillis had a breakout season with the Browns in 2010 and then a dramatic one in 2011 that was plagued by injury, off-the-field distractions and a contract dispute. Here's some of what Thomas had to say about Hillis: On Hillis being a distraction last season: "It was a terrible distraction. Crippled our offense because we ended up signing Obie off the street in the middle of the year and he ended up getting hurt. We were struggling to find anybody who could carry the ball after all the injuries we had. To have Peyton going through a contract dispute and basically refusing to play, it was a big distraction, but more than anything, because sometimes I think distractions are overrated, he was our starting running back that was a good player who was going to help us be a successful offense. When he’s not there and you don’t have anybody to turn to, it makes it hard to win. And that’s the distraction, it’s not being successful." On if the Browns' beef with Hillis was more personal than most disputes among teammates: "Because probably because the way it was handled, more than anything. You see a lot of guys in contract disputes, like Matt Forte, his solution was ‘I’m going to go out and prove they have to have me and they can’t play without me.’ The frustrating thing to a lot of teammates was you try to talk to him and you try to tell him ‘That’s not the right way to do it if you want to get your big contract.’ He just wouldn’t listen to anybody. People who thought they were very close friends with him … he wouldn’t listen to anybody. He thought he knew what was the right way to do it and it ended up not being the right way and it ended up hurting everybody. Not just himself. It was a tough situation." On if Hillis will return to Cleveland this weekend with a grudge: "He might. I guess I haven’t watched their offense, so I don’t really know what is role is. I’m sure he’ll probably want to come in here and prove they made a mistake by not resigning him. It will be interesting to see how many opportunities they give him." On Hillis getting married last season: "Well, (laughs), it was kind of one weird thing after another more than anything. We have guys getting married during the season and it’s not a big deal. When you’re injured [Thomas used air quotes] and you should be getting treatment, to go do your own thing repeatedly is was just disrespectful more than anything to his teammates. I don’t think people would have acted the same way if they were in that situation |
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,December 6, 2012 9:21 am
NFL Road Tested: The Cleveland Browns
Check it out on Travel Channel. Excellent! Haha it was great! Even got my fav Ratbirds fan to watch it (& she loved it) Re: Hillis - dont think he'll pose much of a threat since hes basically been a backup in KC. The Madden Curse is alive & well ![]() Drinking the Kool Aid. Browns 17 KC 3 WOOF WOOF WOOF |
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,December 6, 2012 9:29 am
Haha it was great! Even got my fav Ratbirds fan to watch it (& she loved it) i assume you mean Ruth ? how is she doing ? i read where she may quit playing FFB ? I hope not i enjoy playing against her . She is a class act ..even if she is a Rat fan ..thats her only fault . |
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,December 6, 2012 9:43 am
i assume you mean Ruth ? how is she doing ? i read where she may quit playing FFB ? I hope not i enjoy playing against her . She is a class act ..even if she is a Rat fan ..thats her only fault .
Yep its Ruth...we messaged back & forth during the show. She was real impressed by Phils shoes & the fact that their kept under lock & key. Even schooled her on the elf. Pretty sure if the Rats werent in contention & we were she'd be in our corner She'll never quit - all hot air & ego. Being the only female shes got 'something to prove' LOL |
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,December 6, 2012 9:47 am
Good to hear about Ruth ..She can more than hold her own against the boys
BTW Happy B Day Cpt'n ![]() Irish had one last week and i still havent seen him ..musta been a helluva B Day bash |
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,December 6, 2012 9:54 am
Good to hear about Ruth ..She can more than hold her own against the boys
Yeppers. Usually makes the playoffs to BTW Happy B Day Cpt'n ![]() Irish had one last week and i still havent seen him ..musta been a helluva B Day bash LOL well Im on my 1st cold one already |
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,December 6, 2012 9:59 am
Trent Richardson says he "can't wait" to ditch the flak jacket that's protecting his tender ribs. Richardson was glad he was wearing the jacket when he took a direct shot to his ribs against the Raiders last week. But he says it limits his ability to carry the ball in the left hand and use his stiff arm effectively. Richardson is averaging just 3.27 YPC over the last three weeks, but his massive workloads during that span (30.0 touches per game) leave his statistical "floor" very high. T-Rich gets a Chiefs' defense giving up 4.66 YPC this week. |
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,December 6, 2012 10:02 am
I tied a pretty good one on last night ...my hair or whats left of it hurts this morning
why cant ya have a good time and not feel the pain the next morning ? they need to invent a mask or something to suck the crap out of you from the night before off the Waffle house for some greasy eggs & flirt with the fat gurls there ..hangover helper ..the egss not the fat gurls . they might make me hurl . i am a poet ..fat gurls & hurls |
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,December 6, 2012 10:24 am
I tied a pretty good one on last night ...my hair or whats left of it hurts this morning
why cant ya have a good time and not feel the pain the next morning ? Its called old age buddy... ![]() I remember the days when I had 2 hollow legs... |
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,December 6, 2012 10:47 am
Its called old age buddy
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,December 6, 2012 12:09 pm
I tied a pretty good one on last night ...my hair or whats left of it hurts this morning Drink more water between beverages there bluez. It sure keeps me from hurting the next mroning after drinking a few too many
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,December 6, 2012 9:37 pm
In a TIME magazine article released on Thursday, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell [floated the possibility] of eliminating the kickoff and using instead a fourth-and-15-from-the-30 scenario for the team that otherwise would be kicking. And now we start the process of posting reactions to the news. Rams coach Jeff Fisher, a member of the league’s Competition Committee, says that further discussion of the possible elimination of the kickoff is inevitable. “I’m sure it will be something that will be addressed once the committee gets together in February,” Fisher said. “But that’s just . . . there’s been a lot of different things that have come up. Obviously, if you look at what we’ve done with the kickoff when we moved it up from the 30 to the 35 we haven’t had — well, the injury numbers have gone down significantly since the move two years ago. There’s been some talk, I think [Giants co-owner John] Mara, may have mentioned over a period of time, maybe there will be some consideration that we’ll remove it from the game completely, but those things will be discussed during the offseason.” Fisher shares Goodell’s concerns regarding the safety aspect of the kickoff. “It is an exciting part of the game, but it is — from an injury standpoint — the injury rate per play is highest on the kickoff,” Fisher said. It’s our understanding that, for now, the only idea on the table is the one that Bucs coach Greg Schiano hatched, and that Goodell shared with Sean Gregory of TIME. And we (or at least I) like it. What do you think? Cast your vote below, if you haven’t already |
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,December 7, 2012 7:49 am
In a TIME magazine article released on Thursday, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell [floated the possibility] of eliminating the kickoff and using instead a fourth-and-15-from-the-30 scenario for the team that otherwise would be kicking.
So stupid!! Grrrr.....really?? I mean, they basically have already gotten rid of the kick-off (stop taking it ou from the 109 1/2 yard line, Cribbs!), so...fine. Just get rid of complete? Ok. But what is with this "4th and 15" crap?? Just toss the coin, winner choses if they want the ball at the 30 (maybe 20?), 1st and 10. Go. Or, if the want the ball to start the 2nd half. 4th and 15??? I read the article last night and thought it had to be from the Onion. |
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,December 7, 2012 10:47 am
Monday, December 3, 2012Monday leftoversThey were called The Triplets down in Dallas. Capital T, capital T. They arrived in consecutive years beginning in 1988 and proceeded to resurrect football in Big D after a five-year drought. First, there was Michael Irvin, a big receiver out of Miami of Florida who played on Tom Landry’s last team in Dallas. A year later, UCLA quarterback Troy Aikman brought his big arm to the Cowboys. And then along came the missing piece of the offensive puzzle, running back Emmitt Smith out of Florida. Aikman provided the leadership with his savvy approach to quarterbacking; Irvin became known as The Playmaker with his ability to come through in the clutch time and again; and Smith was the slashing running back who proved the perfect complement to his teammates. Together, they rode the Cowboys to the playoffs eight times in nine seasons, three of them winding up in Super Bowl victories. They were the three-headed straw that stirred the Cowboys’ offensive drink. As Aikman, Smith and Irvin went, so went the Cowboys. And all three wound up in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. So what does that have to do with the Browns? Right now, nothing, but there are glimpses of another set of Triplets, capital T, looming on the Cleveland horizon. Call it far fetched, but think about it. Brandon Weeden has an Aikman kind of arm, Josh Gordon has surprisingly proved a playmaker very early in his professional career and Richardson’s running style is reminiscent of Smith. Aikman finished 1-15 in his rookie season even with Irvin as his favorite target. It wasn’t until Smith came along in 1990 that the Cowboys began to make a move. The Browns’ Triplets have arrived as the same time. All three rookies have taken baby steps as they learn what the National Football League is all about. Those steps are about to become larger as they grow more confident in their abilities. We saw a large dose of that in Sunday’s victory over the Oakland Raiders. Weeden threw for a career-high 364 yards; Gordon caught six passes (in seven targets) for 116 yards and a touchdown; and Richardson racked up 72 very tough yards and a score. If the Browns are looking for players who lead by example, they should look no further than these three. You can see the growth as they become more comfortable in transitioning to the professional way of playing the game. If anything, they’re going to get better. It took the Dallas Triplets a few years before they became a force that lifted the Cowboys to championship heights. In Cleveland, that very well could happen sooner rather than later because they jumped onto the same page at the same time. It is entirely possible, based on what we’ve seen thus far, all the Cleveland Triplets need to ascend to heights enjoyed by the Dallas Triplets is an offensive line that allows them to do what they do best. That would mean whoever the club’s general manager is next season must upgrade the interior of the offensive line, most notably the two guard spots because what they have now is not working. There are those who might argue that Weeden should not be factored into this equation because of his age. At 29, limited career longevity could be a mitigating factor. Well, the Cowboys appeared in five Super Bowls in the 1970s with a quarterback from Cincinnati by the name of Roger Staubach. When he made his NFL debut with the Cowboys in 1969, he was 27 years old. Didn’t seem to bother him. Now I’m not trying to compare a Hall of Fame quarterback with Weeden. That’s idiotic. All I’m saying is that age might not be that much of a factor if you use Staubach as an example. The next year or two should provide some offensive fireworks if what we’ve seen thus far is any indication. Remember, they are still taking baby steps. Once the game begins to slow down for them, then we’ll get a chance to enjoy these Triplets. * * * Pat Shurmur has received a lot of criticism here for his coaching on game day, so it’s only fair to praise the Cleveland coach for a couple of gutsy calls he made in the Oakland victory. It took a lot of nerve to send his offense back out after they failed to pick up a first down on a third-and-a-foot at the Oakland 45-yard line with about five minutes left in regulation and clinging to a 13-10 lead. He could have punted and pinned the Raiders deep in their territory. That would have been the passive thing to do. The Browns were in the middle of what turned out to a 14-play, 94-yard drive that sealed the victory and Shurmur had a command decision to make. Fortunately, he went completely out of character and ordered another sneak. This time, the offensive line obliged and created a three-yard hole for Weeden to sneak through. In the second quarter, Shurmur faced a similar situation. Faced with a fourth-and-2 at the Oakland 42, he surprised everyone and disdained the punt. Weeden proceeded to connect with Richardson in the left flat on a checkdown and the running back picked up 21 yards. It led to the second of Phil Dawson’s two field goals. * * * So what’s with the Cleveland run defense? All of a sudden, it’s becoming a force. Three straight games limiting the opposition to less than 100 yards rushing. What gives? Having good health certainly helps. Right now, no one along the defensive line is in sick bay. All of which means defensive coordinator Dick Jauron can liberally substitute to keep all his guys up front fresh. Everyone is contributing on a series-by-series basis. All are making it that much easier for the linebackers to remain clean and be in a position to make plays at or behind the line of scrimmage. * * * The Cleveland offense was so productive against Oakland, although the final score doesn’t reflect it, Reggie Hodges punted just twice. In nine drives, the Browns, who compiled 475 total yards, had only one three and out. The other eight drives averaged 59 yards. All of which had a positive impact on the defense, which was awarded ample time to recover on the bench before having to face Carson Palmer and his arm. The Oakland quarterback threw a staggering 54 passes, but for only 351 yards. Weeden threw for his 364 yards with only 36 passes. * * * Notebook: Did anyone notice the Browns committed only two penalties against the Raiders? Tight end Ben Watson was called for a hold during the first series of the second half and Buster Skrine was flagged for fair catch interference early in the fourth quarter. That’s it. No false starts, no offsides, no pass interference. Nothing. Distinct improvement. . . . Joshua Cribbs must learn that when he fields a kickoff nine yards deep in the end zone, he must take a knee. He put his team in a hole on the kickoff following the Oakland touchdown that made it 13-10 by trying to come out. He made it to the nine-yard line. Cribbs is no longer the threat he used to be. . . . Greg Little is starting to become the wide receiver the Browns thought they drafted. He’s catching just about everything thrown his way. And he’s throwing some nice blocks. . . . Kudos to Sheldon Brown on a solid game. It seemed as though Palmer picked on the veteran cornerback all afternoon and he responded with (officially) four pass breakups, although it seemed more like 10. . . . Nice to see the Browns run some clearing patterns for their receivers. The Oakland secondary looked confused all afternoon |
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,December 7, 2012 10:55 am
It is entirely possible, based on what we’ve seen thus far, all the Cleveland Triplets need to ascend to heights enjoyed by the Dallas Triplets is an offensive line that allows them to do what they do best. Lavaou has been up and mostly down since Heckert spent a third round pick on him in his first draft here . he almost lost the Steeler game with stupid penalties and terrible blocking . he must be replaced . Greco has played very very well i think since taking over for Stinkston who may not play again .they still cant seem to get much push for the running game . then again T Rich hasnt shown much burst either . i hope that's because he hasnt been healthy since we drafted him . |
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,December 7, 2012 5:23 pm
Take a moment today to think about that one after the slants sneak attacked us . another reason i will never ever own a slant car of any type .
Hand salute and much respect to the greatest generation . there arent that many of them left . my father is one of them . US Navy WWII . You can't be serious. I love my Honda! Geehz man, it's not the people of Japan's fault for what their gov't did. Just like it's not ours for the nasty things the US gov't has done. |
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,December 7, 2012 10:19 pm
You can't be serious.Sentiment echoed here as well. |
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,December 8, 2012 8:16 am
Sentiment echoed here as well.
His or mine?
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,December 9, 2012 1:06 pm
1 ^%$# play ?????????
80 yards
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,December 9, 2012 1:16 pm
followed by not knowing how to line up, then a false start. Did we take the week off?
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,December 9, 2012 1:17 pm
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,December 9, 2012 1:18 pm
there not ready to play AGAIN
Get your head out of your not for long ass Shurmur |
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,December 9, 2012 1:21 pm
A gift from the football gods. Wake up call!
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,December 9, 2012 1:23 pm
afternoon Ken ..lets hope it gets better
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