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The 2012 Orioles Winter ThreadDecember 15, 2012 1:57 am
Apparently it's almost final that R.A. Dickey is going to be traded to the Blue Jays. The Jays are going to trade top propsect catcher Travis d'Arnaud and other players are involved in the deal as well.
All this means is that the AL East should be VERY competitive and close to even this year. Looking forward to a great year of baseball! |
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The 2012 Orioles Winter ThreadDecember 15, 2012 2:12 am
Once again, it shows how easily teams are trading their top prospects for instant help. Sure, Dickey has had an amazing last two seasons, but he's 38 years old. You got to wonder how much he has left in him, and trading d'Arnaud with some other prospects for a 38 year old pitcher might not look so good in the future.
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The 2012 Orioles Winter ThreadDecember 15, 2012 10:31 am
Well I don't think you can really say they traded away their prospect recklessly if they are getting back the Cy Young award winning pitcher. I agree about him being 38 being a concern, but he is a knuckleball pitcher so the wear and tear on his arm is minimal. I mean you can blay catch with your kid until you are pretty old and the knuckleball has about the same impact on your shoulder and elbow. LOL. I haven't really decided how I feel about this but it certainly does show a committment to win now by the Jays. The guiys that boo hoo'ed about the trade just might be pretty happy they did. They have always been able to jack the ball now if they can pitch a little who knows up there. I think it ws a big wake up call for them this year when even we started putting sweeps and winning streaks on them.
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The 2012 Orioles Winter ThreadDecember 15, 2012 2:30 pm
I don't know how good this Travis d'Arnaud kis is, but he ws a 2007 draft pick. Thats a long time to be in the minors if you are that great, but it is who the Mets want. He must be pretty promising though, because this is the second time he has been traded for a Cy Young winner. The last time it was from Philly in the Halladay trade. Pretty cool.
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The 2012 Orioles Winter ThreadDecember 15, 2012 9:18 pm
I don't know how good this Travis d'Arnaud kis is, but he ws a 2007 draft pick. Thats a long time to be in the minors if you are that great, but it is who the Mets want.
1st rd pick (#37) by the Phillies in 2007 out of H.S. Will be 24 y.o on Feb 10. Last year was the #17 rated prospect in all of baseball by Baseball America. Last two season in the minors: 181 GP 37 HR 130 RBI .322 BA .375 OBP .569 SLG .945 OPS Only played in 67 games last year b/c of injury but still hit 13 HR 52 RBI .333/.380/.595/.975 The only flaw I see in his hitting is he doesn't take a lot of walks and K's 3 times than he walks. LAst year 19 BB with 59 K's. The year before 33 BB's with 100 K's in 114 AB's. Many times a player like that doesn't hit for as high of an ave or OBP as they do in the monors unless they can make adjustments at the ML level. But, he has power AND he's a very good defensive catcher. |
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The 2012 Orioles Winter ThreadDecember 15, 2012 9:23 pm
The year before 33 BB's with 100 K's in 114 AB's I am not looking it up but 100k's in 114 At bats?
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The 2012 Orioles Winter ThreadDecember 15, 2012 9:31 pm
I think that if he was called up to the majors today, he'd be successful as a utility infielder playing solely against lefties I think if he got called up today he would not be any kind of fielder as he has been barely servicable at only one position, 2b. And he would hit under .220 from either side of the plate as his average has steadily declined to .245 at each level he has played. Again not saying he can't learn to be better, but he will have to do something well at some level, preferably Norfolk at some point before anyone should ever think of him doing anything in the ML. He is still young so he has a few years to pan out, but so far not so much, and with him not being someone DD brought in, he probably has a shorter leash than some other guys that are his guys. |
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The 2012 Orioles Winter ThreadDecember 15, 2012 9:36 pm
I'm pretty sure that should be 100 K's in 114 GP.
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The 2012 Orioles Winter ThreadDecember 15, 2012 10:33 pm
If the Orioles could fleece the Tigers for Castellanos in a deal that involves one of or both of the JJ's they'd be silly not to. He's very possibly the best 3B prospect at the moment and would make for another nice young piece to pencil in for the next 5/6 years. I was really high on Boesch going into last year but he had a really really disappointing season. Not sure i'd really want him anymore. Porcello won't ever be anything more then a "decent" #5 pitcher to be honest. Figure out a way to land Castellanos and another piece and pull that trigger though! Stanton seems lazy to me so i'd prefer to stay away from him. I'd prefer Trumbo but Morales or Butler would also be very very appealing.
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The 2012 Orioles Winter ThreadDecember 17, 2012 9:01 am
The Tigers don't have many prospects because they don't draft aggressively and trade most of their guys with talent. Given that they're not trading Rondon who they'll overvalue anyway (they need relievers). They have Castellanos who is a good prospect.
Aside from that, they have Avisail Garcia. At the moment, he profiles as an outfielder who could hit .300 in the majors with decent power. He could be a guy with 20 steals and 20 home runs. Thing is, he doesn't have good plate discipline so he'll need to hit well in order to have value. Then they have Casey Crosby and Andy Oliver. Two guys with good tools and bad control. They have a few guys with promise in the lower minors but they're very young and don't have outstanding potential. There are also a few guys who are decent but not very interesting. Good to have but not worth trading much. If you're trading one of the JJs, then you really have to get either Castellanos or Garcia. Like us, the Tigers are low on pieces to trade for anyone decent (unless they deal guys from their major league roster). If you want to make a trade with them looking at guys like Porcello or Boesch make sense. But I don't think it makes sense to trade our closer for Porcello, Crosby and Oliver. All three are very high-risk and high-reward. If one pans out then we probably win the trade but it's likely they all fail. |
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The 2012 Orioles Winter ThreadDecember 17, 2012 5:43 pm
I'm actually a little bit concerned about the lack of movement by this team so far. I'm not saying to go out and make a move just to keep in the news. But with the rest of the AL east, but it just seems that Bos, Tor, and NY are making big moves to stay competitive, and we just sit and sign minor league players with a spring training invite.
Maybe Buck is the wild card in this, and can work with lesser talent to stay competitive, but I cant help but be a little frusterated with this offseason. Maybe the dominos start to fall with Greinke and Hamilton being signed..................but so far, not impressed. |
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The 2012 Orioles Winter ThreadDecember 17, 2012 6:02 pm
I will be disappointed if we do not end up with one player that is a significatn upgrade over someone we ended or started the season with last year, but I also know that this team and GM has a history of letting the dust settle to let the market set itself and they don't overpay for whatever risk they are taking. That usually does nto happen until after Christmas when the unsigned guys start to get a bit nervous, or a team is itchy to trade a guy and hasn't been able to pull the trigger. I am going to wait until about the 2nd week of January before worrying about it. That is when the over priced guys all of a sudden start being reasonably priced for less years.
I am still hoping for a few guys that I think would make us instant contenders and they are still out there. Particularly Lohse, Swisher, LaRoche. One would be fine, two would be great and three would have me talking titles. |
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The 2012 Orioles Winter ThreadDecember 17, 2012 6:50 pm
I really hope their evaluations of their own players is well founded, particularly the younger pitchers they seem unwilling to move. Im hoping the case is that they simply arent willing to give them away and thats what teams they are talking to expect them to do.
If Rick Peterson is still with the team, perhaps there view is well founded, seeing the 180 Chris Tillman seemed to do in just a years time. But the lineup and or depth still needs some work at least from an offensive standpoint IMO. |
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The 2012 Orioles Winter ThreadDecember 17, 2012 9:46 pm
[Orioles Hesitant To Pursue LaRoche]By Steve Adams[December 17 at 8:23pm CST]The Orioles would like to add power to the lineup and improve their defense at first base, but [Dan Connolly of the Baltimore Sun writes] that the draft pick compensation that is tied to [Adam LaRoche] is a deterrent to executive VP of baseball operations Dan Duquette. The 33-year-old LaRoche hit .271/.343/.510 with a career-high 33 homers in 2012 after missing the majority of 2011 with a torn labrum. For the third consecutive season, both the Fielding Bible and Ultimate Zone Rating praised LaRoche's defense at first base. Connolly writes that multiple sources have told him the Orioles have legitimate interest in LaRoche. However, Duquette's plan since taking the reins in Baltimore has been to build through the draft. Forfeiting the 24th overall pick to sign LaRoche, who turned down a qualifying offer from the Nationals, would go against that mentality. The Orioles do also have the 35th pick, but Duquette prefers to stockpile picks rather than consider some expendable. As for LaRoche himself, he doesn't mind playing the waiting game, [according to the Wasington Post's Adam Kilgore]. LaRoche is content to wait out his situation, and doing so could have an initially unexpected benefit. Should the Red Sox see their deal with [Mike Napoli] fall apart, LaRoche would have another interested suitor. There does [appear to be a snag] in the finalization of the deal between Napoli and Boston. Read more at [http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#vglQ FIR4RAQ89IS0.99] |
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The 2012 Orioles Winter ThreadDecember 17, 2012 11:46 pm
Unfortunately as we all know LaRoche played the waiting game before and it did not hurt him. After having a great year, it doesn't appear it will hurt him now. The problem is that just as the last time, if you wait for him ot make a decision then you are stuck with little to chooe from. The good news is that this year if we don't sign him we are not forced to go out and get Derrick Lee. A late first round pick is a bargain if you can get Laroche for 3 years so that is just silly if that is the hold up as close as this team is today. That pick, if he ever is ready, is 3 years away. I hope that is not the case. I wonder what the holdup is with Napoli though. Money, plaing time, length of the deal? He go the heebee geebees from the stink left in the club house? LOL. Maybe he talked to some former Sox players? Who knows but is he a fit here if his deal with Boston falls through. I don't think so but the dominos are going to fall somewhere.
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The 2012 Orioles Winter ThreadDecember 18, 2012 8:39 am
I don't know if it's true but the sportswriter from the Kansas City Star stated on twitter that the Orioles had interest in Francoeur. He agreed with the statement that there was talk about a trade of Tillman for Franky before the Os signed McLouth. Obviously, we decided to get McLouth instead but this at least gives an idea of about how valuable Tillman is considered. Basically, no trade value whatsoever.
He also stated that we had discussions for Butler but they didn't go anywhere. I suspect they wanted Bundy or Machado. I don't think we can get anything for Matusz, Britton, Arrieta, Johnson, Gonzalez or Tillman and we'd be better off giving them one more chance to succeed as starters and then moving a few to the bullpen. Unfortunate, but a bullpen with Matusz, Arrieta, Johnson, Gonzalez, Strop, Hunter and Patton would likely be excellent especially if Strop or Hunter could close. Plus all of these guys are under control for a long bit of time. It would be solid and cheap. |