The Pac-12 Thread....

jinkies USC. Way to embarrass the conference this year and you didnt even have to cheat to do it!

But I agree. Fire Kiffin. I'm not a kiffin basher by any means, but USC needs a different approach, mentally than what he is showing/bringing.

I don't think he will be good for the Trojans future.

but USC needs a different approach

USC sucking is not a bad approach for the rest of the league.

Happy New Year to all Fusky fans!  Here's to 2013 and 10 in a row over the Dub!   


  

ha! Same to you Quacks and I mean it with the same amount of sincerity! ;)

After that performance, both on and off the field in El Paco...er Paso. I tend to agree with you re firing Kiffin. As far as back??? Sorry we won't even go bowling next year.(we were only one more loss from not going this year). We are not only not back, it will be at least 2,maybe 3 years before we are.


I can't fully blame this season on Kiffin, BUT, I sure can blame Kiffin on that performance in that game. No one else's fault but Kiffin on that one. The only hesitation on getting another HC is no top flight candidate would want to suffer through the 75/15 cap to get to a competitive situation. Maybe let Kiffin suffer one more year and look at it again then....  

After that performance, both on and off the field in El Paco...er Paso.

Really? after everything USC did to disrespect this city and the Sun Bowl thats how you are going to start your post?

Easy Oly

The ducks day is coming soon. Its fun on top but you find that when your there things are much tougher to stay. if Kelly leaves your in a world of hurt (possibly) and if Kelly leaves AND you get pounded by the NCAA watch and see just how easy it is to stay on top. Ask USC Bama and other top programs that had to rebuild for a minute. It will happen either big or small but it will happen.  

The ducks day is coming soon. Its fun on top but you find that when your there things are much tougher to stay. if Kelly leaves your in a world of hurt (possibly) and if Kelly leaves AND you get pounded by the NCAA watch and see just how easy it is to stay on top. Ask USC Bama and other top programs that had to rebuild for a minute. It will happen either big or small but it will happen.  

Im not really sure what any of that has to do with being disrespectful to El Paso and the Sun Bowl

If Kelly leaves and Oregon maintains or slips I will be a fan.
If Kelly leaves and Oregon gets sanctions and bans and whatever I will be a fan.

I am not a come lately to being an Oregon fan.  Yes Oregon has been on top but I come from a time when they were down. Moved on to up and down to now.  when they went from 11-1 to 7-6 in 01-02 I was still a fan. 

Oly
My point is just that things are in a spiral right now. Kiffin probably doesnt even know what happened the last week. He probably was too cocky and the players were like whatever. it was obvious that they didnt want to be there playing in that bowl. They end up losing and that makes things worse for them and for him. Ill bet more than anything Kiffin is glad this season is over and there will not be much of any expectations coming out of LA for USC. They can "rebuild in peace" the pressure right now is technically on UCLA because they had a better season  and will need to be better than they were this year. 

With oregon you have a lot of distractions headed your way. The possible penalties from the NCAA, the possibility of your coach leaving, and then the ripple effect from both when it comes to a new staff and recruiting and so on. My point is the better you become as a program the more distractions come your way. USC will have these distracions for a while and will always be under the spotlight. I will also be a fan. I like that you will stand by your team through the good the bad and the ugly because that is a true fan. USC still has some kinks to work out until they can truly move on and return to glory 

OlyDuck, the comment was disrespectful and shouldn't have been made....yet, it was an honest assessment. Having been to virtually every city in this country with a few minor exceptions, multiple times, El Paso, has NO redeeming qualities whatsoever. It's unsafe, unattractive and in the top three of cities I wouldn't want to raise a family in.


The Sun Bowl isn't a top destination, obviously, and the only difference is he said it. It's an attitude that has been there as long as there's been non-BCS bowl games and in the the level of play by  teams in these games.


I don't know who it was or exactly what was said, but, he has the right to say it. It doesn't reflect on the conference whatsoever, only on USC, IMO.


Having said that, it reflects on Kiffin as his kids don't have enough respect for the Trojan tradition to keep their opinions to themselves, at least when representing USC. Apparently, that lack of respect carried through to the on-field performance by the whole team.


They're kids and still learning, so they merit a mulligan. Kiffin does not.


As far as I'm concerned, my humour is a little dry and sarcastic at times. I do speak my mind,( well, usually) when I feel it needs to be said, PC or not. On this one, El Paso is a dump.                

I dont buy the they are kids thing when it comes to players.  They are old enought to vote and old enough to fight for this country

That's true Oly, however, but being old enough really has no bearing. I know football is suppose to be like war and you learn discipline etc. etc., but military discipline (and there are those in the military who don't learn it, and pay the price), usally is far greater in character building than football. And there are plenty of people out there who vote and have no clue.

My impression of USC (QB performance). Not much to like. It's a bowl game and your QB looks pretty bad. Kiffin, take him out and give the other kid a chance. There were two plays that summed it up for me. Actually it was the same play run twice. Pass to the right. Think it was Lee short and Agholor deep out. Now when it is to the same side of the field, I cannot see how the QB doesn't see the deep out even if the short receiver is the prime target. Particularly when the prime target is pretty much covered and the deep receiver is wide open. For me that shows a QB that is pressing so much he is not allowing the game to come to him. But I have to blame the coaching staff if it happens twice, because it doesn't appear anybody said anything to him about missing it the first time. Besides, what is the probability of the short receiver getting extra attention and Agholor getting single coverage? Pretty high me thinks, therefore Agholor is the better target, and completing some good passes to Agholor could force the defense into trying to mix their coverage. I guess that is what is known as taking what they give you until they decide they have to take it away. Actually, the defense played rather well. Marquise Lee  - he seemed a bit perturbed with his QB. Just a couple of more games and it will be bye bye until spring football.

Ok so while I am very focused on the Ducks game tomorrow with Kansas State I am still finiding myself sitting here with a wondering how the conference will play out next season.

Keep in mind I dont know who is back and who is leaving on every team but my best guess

I have it as
South
UCLA
Arizona State
Arizona
USC
Utah
Colorado

North depending on a few things such as Kelly staying or going and if and how bad the Ducks get hit by the NCAA
Stanford
Oregon
Oregon State
Washington
Cal
Washington State

Honestly I find I dont see a lot of change going on from this season to next.  just a matter of how many games each  team actually wins and loses. 
If Kelly stays though I would pick Oregon over Stanford.  It was a good game and close this year I think Kelly would adjust accordingly and win next season. 

North depending on a few things such as Kelly staying or going and if and how bad the Ducks get hit by the NCAA
Stanford
Oregon
Oregon State
Washington
Cal
Washington State

Is it just me or is Stanford just overrated? My god, watching  the Rose yesterday just showed me that Stanford is a team that had just enough gas in their tank to beat teams they should have lost to. I'll be the first to congratulate them on a season well done. But as far far as next season goes with Home against Arizona State, California, Oregon, UCLA, Washington and Note Dame...away games against Oregon State, USC, Utah, Washington State and Army I just don't see another "magical carpet ride" like they had in 2012.

They were lucky to win against Wisconsin yesterday as the Badgers had about 3 plays they ran all day against the Cards and still moved the ball against them. It was an enjoyable Rose to watch in a atypical defensive battle. One could have thought with a month to prepare the Badgers could have come up with more ways to run or pass the ball.

Anywho, I aint been sold on Shaw's Cards since Vaz dropped the rock on the rug in the 4th quarter 2 months ago. Nobody seem to figure out that the way to beat the Cards was thru the air. And I'm not talking about just downfield either. I like to think O-coordinators have the where-with-all to figure out how to use a defense's aggressivenes against em. The use of screen passes, delayed draws and QB rollouts with protection are but a few.


BTW...Brett Mustyberger must go...What a "dull" preformance He put on from the start of the Rose. You knew it was going to be a long day after that Stealth flew over the stadium. Gawd hopes He kicks it up a notch in His next telecast.

Is it just me or is Stanford just overrated?

Maybe its just me, Mr Wallace, but I think it is just you. I think Stanford deserves all the credit they are getting.  If you can beat Oregon and win the Rose Bowl you deserve a lot of credit. Where would they have been ranked if they had not been shafted out of the ND game? We all wrote Stanford off when Luck left, but we were wrong.  Stanford's here and looks like they intend to stay.   

Stanford's here and looks like they intend to stay.

OK, I'll buy your statment for now Nuetral and hold my "I told ya so's" till next year.   

"Is it just me or is Stanford just overrated? Anywho, I aint been sold on Shaw's Cards since Vaz dropped the rock on the rug in the 4th quarter 2 months ago. Nobody seem to figure out that the way to beat the Cards was thru the air. And I'm not talking about just downfield either. I like to think O-coordinators have the where-with-all to figure out how to use a defense's aggressivenes against em. The use of screen passes, delayed draws and QB rollouts with protection are but a few" <img src="http://images.cbssports.com/js/tinymce/3.4.2/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/img/smiley-foot-in-mouth.gif" alt="Foot in mouth" />       Perhaps you should sit down with coach riley & share your thoughts. Obviously you, as a message board contributor, know more than he. The proof is in the results. Bucktooth has lost four of the last five games, including disasters such as 38-0. lets start fire Mriley.com immediately. Slide Mr wallace into the job & get instant results. Look at the accomplishments by Stanford & lack of by Rodent U. Stanford beats oregon, state eh... Stanford wins bowl games, BCS bowl games, state, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.      The end of the day, OSU finished 3rd. Set your goals on moving up to 2nd. baby steps beaver, baby steps. <img src="http://images.cbssports.com/js/tinymce/3.4.2/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/img/smiley-smile.gif" alt="Smile" />

Perhaps you should sit down with coach riley & share your thoughts. Obviously you, as a message board contributor, know more than he. The proof is in the results. Bucktooth has lost four of the last five games, including disasters such as 38-0. lets start fire Mriley.com immediately. Slide Mr wallace into the job & get instant results. Look at the accomplishments by Stanford & lack of by Rodent U. Stanford beats oregon, state eh... Stanford wins bowl games, BCS bowl games, state, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. The end of the day, OSU finished 3rd. Set your goals on moving up to 2nd. baby steps beaver, baby steps.<img src="http://images.cbssports.com/js/tinymce/3.4.2/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/img/smiley-smile.gif" alt="Smile" />

LOLZ y2k...It'll be fun seeing next year and watching Stanford get chopped down to it's rightful size! Glad for the praise you give me in understanding the needs of Ore State. I'll wait for you to fax em my resume'. Meanwhile I'll enjoy watching you "wallow" in that stunner of a Roze victory yesterday. Nice result that took all day against a club than had all of 3 plays going up against your defense. I'm sure ALL PAC foes will watch and dissect that game and come up with @ least 5 plays to push your defense to the brink.


enjoy your life, but most of all...get a degree in how to operate your computor. You must have missed that course in completing your medical degree @ Stanford.

BTW...congrats on Stanford's 1st Rose victory since time began

congrats on Stanford's 1st Rose victory since time began

Stanford's last Rose victory was 1941, one year before Oregon State's last one which wasn't even played in the Rose Bowl.

one year before Oregon State's last one which wasn't even played in the Rose Bowl.

Oh those pesky quakers and their stats...

Oh those pesky quakers and their stats...

You mean his WRONG stats?

Stanford's last Rose victory was 1941, one year before Oregon State's last one which wasn't even played in the Rose Bowl.

Stanford won back to back rose bowls in '71 and '72. More than 50 years after the ducks 1st of their only two RB victories. Given the history of both teams they will be due for their next one long before the ducks. 

You mean his WRONG stats?
Stanford won back to back rose bowls in '71 and '72. More than 50 years after the ducks 1st of their only two RB victories. Given the history of both teams they will be due for their next one long before the ducks.

Yeah I missed those sometimes the small moble print messes me up.  

enjoy your life, but most of all...get a degree in how to operate your computor. You must have missed that course in completing your medical degree @ Stanford.

Am I the only one that sees the laughable irony of this post???

Wallace, I am not sure what your beef is really with the Cardinal. I am guessing you have severe penis**** envy or something. We are now, and have been for 3 years now, at the top of the food chain in the Pac 12 along with Oregon. Our style of football is not like anyone else's in this conference, and maybe that is why you sell this team short. The next 10 days will be interesting here, as I am hearing in the rumor mill that a good portion of the guys that can come back, may actually do so, which would mean our loss of talent won't be as big as we thought it might be. Add to that the new guys coming in and Hogan's further development, and I don't think we will be seeing a changing of the guard anytime soon. Keep saying we will fail though. Eventually I suppose, you will be right. Similar to a broken clock is two times a day. 

Wallace, I am not sure what your beef is really with the Cardinal.

1 dropped "phantom" fumble in the 4th by my beloved Beavers with the lead in Palo Alto "snatched" destiny from both Oregon schools this year.


That's me beef with the Cards and I'm stickin to it.

On what the 2 players tweeted about El Paso. I've only been to El Paso once, I don't remember much about it, so obviously it did not make a lasting impression one way or another.

2 players tweeted something stupid. It happens. It happens at virtually every program that allows players to have twitter accounts (and is why I wouldn't allow it if I were a coach). Both players apologized as did Coach Kiffin. Both players also stated later that they were very impressed with how well they were treated by the people of El Paso despite what they had said.

At least they didn't throw any cheap punches at anyone after a game on national t.v. and then challenge an entire stadium of fans to do something about it.

They are kids, they make stupid mistakes (as we all did at that age) and they have hopefully learned from it. That is what the college experience is all about.

As for Kiffin. He's getting another season to clean up the mess and he should. Some of you need to climb down off your high horse, look at your own programs and quit worrying about USC. Between Tennessee and USC Kiffin has had one season in which his team did not meet or exceed expectations. That was this past season. His season at Tennessee, his team exceeded expectations, his first season at USC, the team met and maybe even slightly exceeded expectations, his 2nd season, the team greatly exceeded expectations. This past season, they did not come close. You do not fire a coach for 1 bad season, especially with the recruiting class he has lined up.

Quit acting like Team SEC and Tennessee fans who behave like crazy, stalker ex-girlfriends every time Kiffin's name is mentioned. Some of you have bigger concerns anyhow, like the NCAA investigators on your campus, actually getting to a bowl game (let's face it for some programs the Sun Bowl would have been an amazing accomplishment) and which NFL team is going to poach your coach!!

I'm not trying to make light of anything that was done or said this past season. Not by players or coaches. But when all is said and done, it was one bad, strange season that started coming off the rails in the 2nd half of the Arizona game and turned into a tailspin that the team could not pull out of.

If the team does not show significant improvement next season, then it will be time to look at firing Kiffin.

Well said TF 12. Although there's no way Kiffin's stock hasn't dropped with me. Sure he's not responsible for the 75/15( no one else seems to agree that that's the why of this season) But the subsequent sag in intensity and effort does fall to him. There seemed to be an attempt to Blame Barkley, even though his line underperforming compared to last season. he also had to try and use the pass to make up for the points allowed by the "defense". Any QB would get burned, including elite pros, having to pass that much playing "catch-up".


Also, the on-field performance in El Paso, effort-wise, was an embarassment. That's in Kiffin's lap as well. If there was a stud coach that wanted to take over the reins of the Trojans, I wouldn't lose much sleep over it. Otherwise, I agree. Let him either finish the job of losing it or somehow fix it.


Judging by the QB performance, we're gonna have to rely on Browne, an outright freshman. We don't bowl next season either way. ( low expectations allows for pleasant surprises)...    

I agree trucker. I know that I have been a defender of Kiffin's this whole time, but I would be lying if I said that my confidence in him wasn't shaken somewhat by the things that transpired this season.

Having said that, I believe in being fair to the situation.

I think that part of the issue is that there is extreme overreaction every time Kiffin's name is mentioned. The reason for it is because he dared to leave an SEC job for what he felt was a better job and Team SEC started acting like jilted schoolgirls.

Think about it: Kiffin bans a reporter for violating a policy that the reporter knew about and everyone attacks like he slapped the Pope. Jim Mora at UCLA berates some PR person, it's a 2 day story and the worst thing that I heard said was one talk show host called him a bully.

Remember Mora's "people aren't shot on our campus" comment? That one lasted what? 4 days? Imagine the uproar if Kiffin had said that.

As for the qb situation, I'm not particularly worried. Wittek was put in a really tough situation. I thought he was serviceable vs. Notre Dame and terrible in the Sun Bowl, but I'm not going to hold that against him given the performance of the entire offense in that game.

I'm interested to see who Kiffin brings in as DC!! It needs to be someone who knows how to defend the spread offense. I'd also like to see Kiffin give up the playcalling duties. I think that it takes away from his in game coaching. He can obviously still have veto power, but I think he should let his OC call the plays.

Improvement on the defense is paramount. The offense was fine and I think most of the issues were the result of feeling like they had to score on every possession. Plus, it can help with the depth issues. After all, the offense can only help the defense so much when it comes to keeping them off the field to rest. The defense can help itself with a few 3 and outs!!

I agree about the o-line too. People forget that we lost a left tackle who had not surrendered a sack in his USC career. Those are some huge shoes to fill!!

depending on a few things such as Kelly staying or going and if and how bad the Ducks get hit by the NCAA
Stanford
Oregon
Oregon State
Washington
Cal
Washington State

Stanford loses way too much to win the North


Oregon

Stanford

UW

OSU

CAL

WSU