Eli is clutch

at least eli can play 16 games in a single season

Too bad he only showed up for 12 of them. Aboslute burn right there. 

Too bad he only showed up for 12 of them.

yeah, because vick never has a bad game.

 Aboslute burn right there.

what are you 12 ?

yeah, because vick never has a bad game. 

I think Eli is the only QB that played in four games where he didn't throw a TD pass this year, almost five. 

I think Eli is the only QB that played in four games where he didn't throw a TD pass this year, almost five.

how many wins did the vick/eagles dynasty get this year ?  4, almost 5 ? too bad one of those wins was without vick.

how many wins did the vick/eagles dynasty get this year ?  4, almost 5 ? too bad one of those wins was without vick.

Vick had one game without a touchdown pass in 10 starts. Eli had four games without a touchdown pass, almost five in 16 starts. I would say Vick looked more impressive than Eli did last year because of that. If Vick had that [Giants] offensive line to work with, he would have played better than he did.  

Vick had one game without a touchdown pass in 10 starts. Eli had four games without a touchdown pass, almost five in 16 starts. I would say Vick looked more impressive than Eli did last year because of that. If Vick had that [Giants] offensive line to work with, he would have played better than he did.

ok. that's quite a stretch, but i'll give it to you. let's pretend that vick had a better season than eli did for a moment.

what else has vick ever done ? with the exception of his rookie season ( when he only started 7 games) eli has thrown AT LEAST 21 td's a season, which is THE MOST vick has ever had in a season. in fact he's only had 20 or more twice in his career. vick has only thrown for 3,000 yards in a season twice and then just barely. eli has done that every season except his rookie year and surpassed 4,000 three times, something vick will never be healthy enough or talented enough to accomplish.

I agree that Vick sucks. I don't have a problem with admitting that. But the fact that Vick played pretty much the same as Eli did last year, but without the same ratio of TD less games proves how mediocre Eli can be. 

what else has vick ever done ? with the exception of his rookie season ( when he only started 7 games) eli has thrown AT LEAST 21 td's a season, which is THE MOST vick has ever had in a season. in fact he's only had 20 or more twice in his career. vick has only thrown for 3,000 yards in a season twice and then just barely. eli has done that every season except his rookie year and surpassed 4,000 three times, something vick will never be healthy enough or talented enough to accomplish.

I don't know, how about gaining 5,165 more yards rushing and 30 more rushing TDs?

The only thing Eli is clutching right now is a golf club. At least he has the incompetent Cowboys and the absolutely awful Eagles to beat up on for the next decade.

Sol, do you care to back up anything Mike has said in regards to the Eli/Elway comparison made in this thread?.............

The only thing Eli is clutching right now is a golf club.

Don't worry, dude.....Matt Schaub will be joining him on the 9th tee Monday morning.

I don't know, how about gaining 5,165 more yards rushing and 30 more rushing TDs?

ok. i never made any claims of eli being very mobile, but i'm glad you brought that up.  the qb's job is not to rush for 1,000 yards a season. plus it's not as if vicks rushing numbers put him over the top when compared to eli. eli has about 10,000 more passing yards and 78 more td's, so it's not as if being mobile is a significant advantage for him, if anything it is a huge disadvantage because vick usually ends up hurt. plus eli has started in 32 more games in one less season ( i've excluded the two years that vick was in prison ). as a side note i do believe that eli even has a few rushing td's but i'm not about to waste time looking for the #'s, but if i had to guess i'd say 3 or 4, possibly 5. in fact he probably has more fumbles than td's when rushing.

and to mike: believe me, nobody needs to point out to me how badly eli is capable of playing at times. however, there are times when he plays as well or even better than the best qb's out there. i just wish we got to see more of the good eli and less of the bad eli.

Apparently Mr. Number Nine doesn't recognize a joke even when you use the smiley face with the tongue out.

Sol, do you consider the 90's and now 2 different era's of football?

Of course noting that the only 2 QB's to ever post 3 consecutive 100+ QB rating seasons were Aaron Rodgers and Steve Young(who of coursed played in that completely different era of the 90's)

Sol, do you consider the 90's and now 2 different era's of football?

If one cannot see the difference in size of the players, the difference in rules,  the differences in the style of the game compared to back then, then you need to start watching tapes of NFL games from back in the 90's and then NFL games from today. Wake up dude, you're not helping your cause by not agreeing that a game played 13-20 years ago wasn't in a completely different era.

Dude, you're acting like games played 13-20 years ago were in the dark ages.  Once again, the only person I've seen agree with you is Tiki's who you normally call an idiot.  Now because he agrees with you for the first time in eons, he's the voice of reason?  13-20 years ago?  As in, when you were somewhere between 2 and 9 years old?   In case you haven't noticed, it's been made pretty clear that it only seems like a vast difference to you because you were a little boy when John Elway, Steve Young and Troy Aikman played in the NFL.  Were the rules different?  Yes they were, but the almighty illegal contact rule was already in effect since 1978 which is when the passing game really started to open up in the NFL.  Learn some history and then respond instead of just having some little name calling tantrum.  There's a reason that I've given people the opportunity to agree with you and it hasn't happened.  Again, you can look at passing statistics from the 80's and 90's and see that, statistically, the NFL had already began to evolve into a passing league.  Are you taking notes son?

Once again, the only person I've seen agree with you is Tiki's

Actually tiki's only agreed with him on what Eli and the offense did in the last few weeks of the season. I dont recall tiki's agreeing with him on the two era's of football but I could be wrong though. I'm sure tiki's can handle this one on his own like he usually does. Apparently one needs support from others to make himself feel appreciated and good about him/herself on these boards. Self esteem issues??..............But hey I could be wrong on that issue as well...no??  Anywayz carry on with Eli being Clutch!!

Again, you can look at passing statistics from the 80's and 90's and see that, statistically, the NFL had already began to evolve into a passing league.
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Yeah, see here is where I think you go off the reservation. While what you say above here is true at face value, at that time, the change while happening was gradual. It wasn't until the Tuck Rule game and the rule changes since that that pace has accelerated madly as teams abandon much of the run game.

Sol, do you consider the 90's and now 2 different era's of football?
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I honestly never thought about that before, and I'm not sure, I can see points for both arguments.
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See, here's the rub, I think there have been more changes over the last few years that have fundamentally changed the game, so if you are saying between the 90s and today, I'd say yes, two different eras, BUT the game of the early 90s wasn't as much different, until the real begining of the rule changes. I'd mark the advent of the use of the "tuck" rule as the dividing line. After that is when the rule changes got all stupid and out of hand.

I'd mark the advent of the use of the "tuck" rule as the dividing line. After that is when the rule changes got all stupid and out of hand.

Hmm....... I dont think it started there but it definitely has to do with the Pats though. I'm gonna say around 2004 or 5ish when they guys like Ty Law was criticized for roughing up receivers of Harrison's caliber and I will take it a step further to 2008 when Brady got knocked down for the year. It seems since that bad injury Brady had...............that the league has become pussified for the offense for guys like Brady and P Manning.

Do u honestly think the 49ers would have gotten away with murder against those guys if they were roughed up like Eli was in the NFC championship last year?? I dont know but its definitely something to think about!!

Hmm....... I dont think it started there but it definitely has to do with the Pats though
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I just picked that as my dividing line, I think it's pretty open to interpretation, and the advent of the use of the Tuck Rule was like the signpost that said:-
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CAUTION: Stupid Rule Changes Ahead.

I don't disagree with what you're saying Sol, but the fact is that the addition of the illegal contact rule is the most impactful change made to increase passing proficiency in NFL history.  There are many subsequent changes that have made the league even more passer friendly without a doubt.  However, to go back to that original discussion and say that Eli Manning would have struggled to post a career 79 QB rating playing in Elway's time frame is patently absurd.  The rest of that is just kind of soapboxing to support the basic original point.

Too bad he only showed up for 12 of them. Aboslute burn right there. 
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If he hadn't actually shown up for those 4 crap performances, the Giants wouldn't have any less team TDs, but would have had 6 less INTs.

Too bad he only showed up for 12 of them. Aboslute burn right there.

Mike...really...not trying to start any "schit" with you here...but how many did Vick show up for?