Matt Painter vs Tom Crean

These polls mean nothing and are popularity contests.

Very true. 

By the way, I was talking about what fellow coaches, TV analysts etc thought.

Painter has as many COY awards as anyone in the Big Ten. Only Izzo has as many but he has been around much longer.

Obviously IU fans will be biased to Crean but he has not shown the consistency of Painter yet.

There are 35 coaches out there that could make a final four with Dwayne Wade. The mark of a good coach over time is consistently getting more out of his players than was expected and improving the quality of the team over the season.

From a business standpoint, recruiting is also hugely important, though that has about as much to do with the facilities and tradition as it does with coach.

The one coach that can recruit just about anywhere though is Calipari. He could take IUPUI and take them to a Final Four.
 

Crean did much more than just ride Dwayne Wade's coat tails to a Final Four.  He produced several NBA players other than Wade during his time at Marquette, and he took Marquette from a middle-of-the-pack team in Conference USA to a competitive Big East team.

getting more out of his players than was expected and improving the quality of the team over the season.

Look at IU's roster and where they were ranked coming out of high school.  Hulls was the #34 point guard in his class (according to ESPN), Oladipo and Sheehey were both three star recruits ranked around 50th at their respective positions, and Remy Abell was a two star recruit who is already one of the better bench players in the country as a sophomore.  Getting more out of your players than was expected?  Crean seems to excel in that regard.

Painter, on the other hand, had rosters with players like Chris Kramer, JuJuan Johnson, E'Twaun Moore, and Robbie Hummel, and never produced anything more than a Sweet 16 despite Final Four expectations.  Sweet 16's are impressive, but you're making Painter out to be the best coach in the B1G, and he just doesn't have the credentials to support that.

Crean did much more than just ride Dwayne Wade's coat tails to a Final Four.  He produced several NBA players other than Wade during his time at Marquette, and he took Marquette from a middle-of-the-pack team in Conference USA to a competitive Big East team.

I have looked into Crean's tenure at Marquette and he did do a good job there from what I can tell.

 Painter, on the other hand, had rosters with players like Chris Kramer, JuJuan Johnson, E'Twaun Moore, and Robbie Hummel, and never produced anything more than a Sweet 16 despite Final Four expectation

Again, they really had final four expectations twice, and both times they lost Hummel. Neither time did they have final four expectations going into the tournament, though in 2011, they did have a 3 seed and did not even make the Sweet 16. That was the only time they lost before they were supposed to in the Painter era.


 

Sweet 16's are impressive, but you're making Painter out to be the best coach in the B1G, and he just doesn't have the credentials to support that.

You must have misunderstood me. I don't think he is the best coach in the Big Ten. Never said that once. Only that I think he is the better coach than Tom Crean. Also I am not saying that Crean is a good coach because he certainly is. 

Tom Izzo is the one coach that I think is probably the clear favorite for best coach in the Big Ten.
After that, Thad Matta, Bo Ryan and Matt Painter are in the second group, followed closely by Tom Crean and others.

Thad Matta though is one guy I am not sure about. He has done so well with recruiting but he has had some disapointing tournament losses. I think he has two Final Four appearances though so that certainly says something.

In all I think the Big Ten has the best coaches of any conference. The Big East and ACC are the only ones close in my opinion. 

After IU lost to Wisconsin tongight for the 11th straight time, the Indy star posted the results on Facebook. 
Tons of IU fans are blaming Crean for being out coached.

Funny, I don't recally Painter ever getting that reaction from Purdue fans :-) 

That's because Purdue fans are oblivious.

I'll bet a majority of cbb fans would still take Crean over Painter.  Painter has run a mediocre Purdue program into the ground.   

I'll bet a majority of cbb fans would still take Crean over Painter.  Painter has run a mediocre Purdue program into the ground.   

What color is the sky in your world? :-)

Run it into the ground?
Really? 6 statight tournament appearances, 6 straight years with at least 1 tournament victory (the only team in the country to have that) and he has a ranked recruiting class this year and they are already starting to grow significantly this year.

They will lose a lot of games to highly ranked teams this year, but they will compete and will be good next year.

Sounds like some (not all) IU fans are oblivious to basketball outside of bloomington.
 

What color is the sky in your world? :-)

I realize this is a tough year for Purdue but you're becoming a bit irrational with the Painter hype. He's a middling coach, of a mediocre team, in a stacked conference.

These poll results are all about what did you do for me lately.  So of course Crean was getting the votes when this poll was made...well now that Crean took his roster full of NBA players and got spanked by Wiscy I bet the results would be different.  How does a coach lose to Wisconsin 11 times in a row.  Wisconsin plays the same style every year, you'd think a coach who gets superior talent could eventually learn how to beat a team like that.  Tweet, clap, whine, cry just aint working bud.

What have you done for me lately is exactly what most places think of their coaches.

I don't think Crean is as good as many IU fans  thought before the Wisconsin game nor do I think he is as bad as some thing after the game.

Crean is a great recruiter and that is a huge part of having a good team. 

The great coaches are the ones like Coack K, Bob Knight etc that get great players and know how to coach them. 

Painter and Ryan are great coaches that don't seem to get the top recruits for whatever reason. 
It seems that the difference is that the great coaches who don't recruit well are the ones that make the surprising sweet 16 runs.
The great recruiters are the ones that get great seeds and then get upset in the early rounds often.


 

I realize this is a tough year for Purdue but you're becoming a bit irrational with the Painter hype. He's a middling coach, of a mediocre team, in a stacked conference.

It is not a tough year for Purdue. It is a rebuilding year and they are coming along nicely.
NIT is probably the best they have to hope for after the slow start but Painter has this team competing in the Big Ten while starting 3 freshmen.

Painter isn't the best coach in the Big Ten. That either goes to Izzo or Ryan, I can't decide which but he is in the top 5 in the conference and Crean is not IMO. 

In my opinion it's clearly Izzo at the top. I'll then go Bo Ryan and Thad Matta. After that I put Tubby Smith, Painter, Crean, and Beilein all in the same category. Recruiting is a part of it. Every coach has his faults, but I see Indiana being a perennial top 10 team now that Crean has his program in place. People say he can't coach, but can't seem to explain how Oladipo went from getting few D-1 scholarships to future NBA player. You either recruit the talent or you develop the talent and I think Crean does both.

Izzo is the best mix of recruiting and coaching. 
I think he is almost as good at player development as Ryan and he gets better players as well and his record shows it.

I think Matta is a better version of Crean. Still a great recruiter, even better in fact plus an even better coach.
But then, I am no expert on what makes a coach good.

It's fun to talk about but comes down to opinion to a large degree. 

Well, after this season is over, Painter at Purdue has 2 Sweet 16 appearences and so does Crean.

Crean has yet to accomplish anything at IU that Purdue under Painter has not done. At least not objectively. THey did get a #1 ranking an seed but they did no more with that then what Painter and the Boilers did after they dropped from a #3 AP ranking down to a #4 seed  when Hummel as injured. 

Next year will be very interesting because Crean will no longer have Zeller and Oladipo and Painter will have been through his rebuilding year.

This down year was ok for Purdue since they were rebuilding but next year they need to finish in the top 4 of the Big Ten and get a top  5 seed in the tournament in my opinion.

As for IU, let's see what Crean can do with that drop off in talent.