The Ditch

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The Ditch

January 21, 2013 12:36 pm
Most of the blame for the Hossa thing I put on his agent. But Hossa picked and pays his agent to represent him. Hossa himself himted that he wanted to resign with the Penguins at his exit interview, but that was a day or 2 after losing the Cup and to the Pittsburgh media so even tho an answer like "I'm going to test the market" would be nice and homest I wouldn't really expect that answer in that situation. Hossa's agent was doing all kinds of interviews in the weeks leading into July 1st and was saying they were still trying to get a long deal done. During this time the Pemguins trade to fan favorites in Gary Roberts and local boy Ryan Malone. This was after Hossa was sent to test the market after turning down a reported 7 year, 50 million contract extension with the Penguins. Either way it all worked out. He lost again in the SCF next with the wings and that was a great feeling (Pens won and it was even better because of his comments) and I'm glad he won it the next year since it was against the Flyers. The Penguins still got Dupuis in that trade and at the time I thought he was just a throw in. Dupuis might be the most cost effective player in the NHL, not on a ELC, in terms of salary versus points.
KILLERPGH
SinceJan 22, 2008
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The Ditch

January 21, 2013 12:53 pm
Hossa is a true professional.  Ottawa taught him what loyalty was.   Hossa just wants to win and he just wants to play.    He's one of the most professional star players in the league since the lockout.      He's been the best wing away from the puck I've ever seen in all zones.   He's even pretty good with it.     

I hate agents, because when it comes to the NHL, I don't think they've done nearly enough for their clients outside of contracts.     Doan's agent Bross is my number 2 dbag behind Allan Walsh right now.     Walsh is firmly entrenched in the top spot.  

I take issue with all the big firms obviously, and I've not been impressed with Larionov types.   Plenty of agents have stayed of my haterizing list, but there's still time for them.  
hockeybob
SinceJul 1, 2010
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The Ditch

January 21, 2013 1:02 pm
Dupuis might be the most cost effective player in the NHL, not on a ELC, in terms of salary versus points.
Tough to quantify given the nature of veteran contracts (age puts low ceilings on average veteran contracts) but he's been an outstanding value without question.    With all the defensive issues we're likely to see among the forwards around the league in a shortened season, I would think a nice complimentary 2-way vet like Dupuis is in for a very tasty 3+ year deal if he wants to hit the market.

Shero has some huge decisions to make for next year too.    He has to keep plenty of money around for Malkin and Sutter too.   Should be interesting to see who he keeps.    I wonder if we'll see movement during the year.  
hockeybob
SinceJul 1, 2010
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The Ditch

January 21, 2013 1:07 pm
Things that don't suck:

A hockey game to watch during lunch
hockeybob
SinceJul 1, 2010
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The Ditch

January 21, 2013 1:14 pm
I find it pretty stupid that the Penguins/Rangers game is blacked out right now on NHLNetwork. I understand live games, but the replay the next day is just dumb. Next thing you know they will start blacking out "oil change" in Canada.
KILLERPGH
SinceJan 22, 2008
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The Ditch

January 21, 2013 1:17 pm
Great national game tonight on NBCSHD. Wounded Red Wings vs sucky Blue Jackets.
KILLERPGH
SinceJan 22, 2008
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The Ditch

January 21, 2013 1:21 pm
Great national game tonight on NBCSHD. Wounded Red Wings vs sucky Blue Jackets
Bluejackets are undefeated.    I would like to see them get on a run just because I think Nash has been a flaming dbag for years who has been able to dodge real media scrutiny.      I'm not expecting Detroit to have a solid game because CLB is going to try and I think the Wings are still sleepy.   
hockeybob
SinceJul 1, 2010
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The Ditch

January 21, 2013 1:25 pm
bob, you fear the BJs? c'mon, i know it looked like midgets could get behind that blue line of yours, but that doesn't mean Blue Jackets can.  
Red Hessian
SinceFeb 8, 2007
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The Ditch

January 21, 2013 1:28 pm
 I would like to see them get on a run just because I think Nash has been a flaming dbag for years who has been able to dodge real media scrutiny

well, i guess we're gonna see what happens then. you know who is a huge fan of Nash? Blue. i bet he's around here somewhere.


I'd also still swap blue lines with you. i think. maybe.    
Red Hessian
SinceFeb 8, 2007
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The Ditch

January 21, 2013 1:53 pm
I'd also still swap blue lines with you.
that's the joke going around.  I think Proteau started it.   They're saying Teo is dating the Flyers dman corps now. 
hockeybob
SinceJul 1, 2010
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The Ditch

January 21, 2013 1:19 pm
Next thing you know they will start blacking out "oil change" in Canada.
I wish they would black it out in the states.
hockeybob
SinceJul 1, 2010
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The Ditch

January 22, 2013 8:32 am
can't have the ravens winning it for ray lewis! go sf !

Flyers gotta win tonight !
the catfish
SinceSep 5, 2006
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The Ditch

January 22, 2013 8:36 am
Does KFC gravy substitute as ink well?
KFC gravy dosent substitute as gravy well
all-pgh
SinceApr 27, 2009
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The Ditch

January 22, 2013 8:49 am
KFC gravy dosent substitute as gravy well
For some reason (maybe survival instinct) I don't think I've ever had it.   I guess I'm fortunate. 
hockeybob
SinceJul 1, 2010
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The Ditch

January 22, 2013 8:50 am
cleans you right out
Red Hessian
SinceFeb 8, 2007
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The Ditch

January 22, 2013 8:54 am
Would you recommend it be used as a laxative or as a lubricant?
hockeybob
SinceJul 1, 2010
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The Ditch

January 22, 2013 9:01 am

laxative. i am not dating the Flyers d

Red Hessian
SinceFeb 8, 2007
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January 22, 2013 9:02 am
It can also be used like syrup of ipecac
all-pgh
SinceApr 27, 2009
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The Ditch

January 22, 2013 9:06 am
I'll remeber that next time I drink a quart of kitchen cleaner. 
hockeybob
SinceJul 1, 2010
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January 22, 2013 9:10 am
Speaking of laxatives, holmstrom is retiring today at 430 at JLA I read.

I never would have thought he would have had such solid career as a role player for so long 7 or 8 years ago.   
hockeybob
SinceJul 1, 2010
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The Ditch

January 22, 2013 9:13 am
As the crazy injury list rolls along:

Briere is out, Kopitar is in, Burns is out for weeks, Greene done for the year, Carbomb out for a month, McDonald is fine.

In an absolute shock of a development, Colaiacovo is out for a while (weeks) with an upper-body injury.     Good thing they have the mighty Lashoff.
hockeybob
SinceJul 1, 2010
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The Ditch

January 22, 2013 9:15 am
anything about DiPi?
Red Hessian
SinceFeb 8, 2007
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The Ditch

January 22, 2013 9:25 am
You guys think there is any chance of the three big remaining RFAs getting moved?
all-pgh
SinceApr 27, 2009
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January 22, 2013 9:28 am

you're just rubbing your hands together and thinking about Benn, aren't you

Red Hessian
SinceFeb 8, 2007
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The Ditch

January 22, 2013 9:30 am
You guys think there is any chance of the three big remaining RFAs getting moved?
The "experts'" in depth investigation and analysis of tweets from agents tells that Benn is close, Subban and O'Reilly are not. 
hockeybob
SinceJul 1, 2010
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The Ditch

January 22, 2013 9:34 am
I don't think O'Reilly will be moved since he opted to stay in Russia.    Subban may be moved and keeping him out to force a trade may have been Bergevin's plan the whole time.    Benn isn't going anywhere if Galiardi wants to start repairing the brand.    Niewendyk is too used to being on a budget and his agent is too busy worried about the next contract.   Might cost them a playoff spot which is bad for Niewendyk's budget and bad for Benn's next contract...go figure.
hockeybob
SinceJul 1, 2010
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The Ditch

January 22, 2013 9:43 am
you're just rubbing your hands together and thinking about Benn, aren't you

That wont be all that Ill be rubbing if we get him. Unfortunately the cost would be to high not only salary but compensation. I still think Subban could be wearing orange.

all-pgh
SinceApr 27, 2009
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January 22, 2013 9:47 am
the Pens are gonna dip into the Dallas well again?  i guess it's worked out so far.  who needs Wilkes-Barre?  we have Dallas!
firehalo
SinceNov 20, 2007
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The Ditch

January 22, 2013 10:08 am
I don't think O'Reilly will be moved since he opted to stay in Russia.    Subban may be moved and keeping him out to force a trade may have been Bergevin's plan the whole time

This is another example of whey I don't have a lot of respect for unions.  During CBA negotiations they sometimes fight for the dumbest things but leave out something so important that so many young players are going to suffer through.  Kids coming off rookie deals have absolutely no negotiating power or leverage at all which in my opinion is ludicrous.   I'm not saying they should be UFA's but I think arbitration should be an absolute right since it's only fair they have someone to turn to.  

Instead because of today's stupid rules kids like Subban and O'Reilly are stuck.  Teams 99 percent of the time refuse to go after RFA's which in my opinion is collussion at its best but since that can't be proven and since the union doesn't care nothing ever happens. 

Montreal's original offer to Subban was estimated to be around 5 million for 2 years which miraculously happens to be around what Del Zotto and Kulikov received in their deals.  Either the Habs are hiring psychics for GM's or boy are they great at predicting the market because to me it's incredible he knew exactly what to offer Subban from day 1.  Even more incredible is the GM's of the other 2 players I mentioned were awesome too and without ever speaking with each other offered around the same money their players both accepted.

OR.. maybe it's not so much the "market value" for these kids coming off rookie deals but maybe GM's have made a decision of what they feel like paying and that's it.  The union doesn't care, they only care about big money players raising the stakes for GM's and for UFA's. 

It's stupid.
redwings1969
SinceJun 25, 2009