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January 24, 2013 11:21 am
Posted by [Rich Passan ]at [<abbr class="published" title="2013-01-18T11:09:00-07:00"> 11:09 AM</abbr> ] 10 comments: [][]

Wednesday, January 16, 2013


News and Views


News: Chip Kelly named head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles
Views: Welcome to the world of the National Football League, Jimmy Haslam III. You’ve been had.
When Kelly appeared to spurn the NFL and head back to his comfort zone at the University of Oregon after negotiating with three teams, including yours, you made a critical mistake.
You believed him.
When you walked away from your No. 1 choice – and don’t try to tell us Kelly wasn’t at the top of your coaching list– in Arizona, you mistakenly thought no one in the NFL would convince him to make the big jump.
Well, the Eagles persisted while you went looking elsewhere and now you’re left trying to explain just what happened. It’ll be interesting to see what spin you put on this one.
Could it be you’re just now finding out that Cleveland is not exactly the garden spot for the coaching fraternity? When you have to settle for your fourth and maybe fifth choice in Rob Chudzinski, what does that tell you?
You said you wanted your new head coach to be dynamic, exciting. Maybe those weren’t the exact words, but Kelly fit the mold you sought to replace the boring coach of your boring team.
It’s understandable you would be willing to reach out to the most innovative coaches on the college scene and bring him to Cleveland to awaken a fan base that has been in snooze mode for way too many seasons.
Kelly would have been the perfect choice. You and Joe Banner knew it and did everything you could, short of offering him a piece of the team, to make it happen. “Back up the Brinks truck” was one of the terms used in your negotiations with Kelly.
You wanted him that badly. And now you have to reconcile your feelings toward the Eagles and Kelly’s representatives.
One of your biggest mistakes was openly falling in love with the Oregon coach. You allowed emotion to win over common sense. You wore your heart on your sleeve. Wrong move.
If you really wanted Kelly, you would have banged on his door on a daily basis after he announced his intention to return to Oregon. You should have worn him down.  He’s not the coach of the Eagles today because Jeffrey Lurie and Howie Roseman in Philadelphia backed off.
You appear to be the kind of dynamic person who always gets what he wants, no matter what it takes. Once you set your sights on a target, you become relentless. Where was that relentlessness? 
While it sounds as though I’m minimizing the Chudzinski appointment, it’s quite the opposite. The moderately optimistic approval of that choice has been documented.
It’s just that for someone so savvy in the business world, it’s mildly disappointing you allowed yourself to be outthought and outmaneuvered. The previous owner of the Browns fell into those categories.
Randy Lerner preferred to remain in the background and didn’t really care about this team. You appear to be his exact opposite.
The NFL is a cutthroat business. The sooner you realize that, the better.
Lesson learned? Hope so.
News: Cleveland Browns Stadium renamed FirstEnergy Stadium
Views: Too bad. There’s something about selling out that rubs me the wrong way. And yet, I understand why Haslam made the deal.
First of all, there is something distinctive about the Browns’ helmet. Haslam says the helmet won’t be touched.
But there is also something distinctive about playing in a stadium that is untouched by big business. It adds old-fashioned charm to an edifice. It adds to the human factor.
Cleveland Browns Stadium told you exactly where the Cleveland Browns played. FirstEnergy Stadium – FirstEnergy Field sounds better – makes one stop and think that, oh yeah, that’s where the Browns play.
Companies think their identifiers place their stamp, their brand in the minds of the public. To some maybe. To most, probably not.
To me, and hopefully many others, it will always be Cleveland Browns Stadium. It’s not like Jacobs Field or Gund Arena, which were original names of their respective venues.
They were nicknamed the Jake or the Gund. Wonder what nickname will be pinned on the latest name change? The fez?
News: Browns hint at future uniform changes
Views: C’mon now. Why mess around with the past? Why change the image of the team? Do Haslam and Banner really think changing the uniform will make a difference?
The Browns, with one notable exception, have had the cleanest looking uniforms in the NFL. Nothing fancy about them. Burnt Orange, Seal Brown and White with clean lines.
The only time the club stumbled with uniform change was in an exhibition game in the early 1980s. They wanted to see what orange numbers with brown and white piping on the back of brown jerseys looked like. In a word, terrible.
If you were sitting beyond the first row at the old Stadium, you couldn’t make out the numbers because they disappeared against the much darker background. The experiment lasted one game.
The jerseys were auctioned off as part of a charity shortly afterward. I own one that was worn by guard Joe DeLamielleure (#64), who now resides in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. It’s a size 48. Not a perfect fit (I’m a size 40), but a treasure nonetheless.
I learned to tolerate the orange pants and brown jerseys of about 30 years ago and was glad when they disappeared. That’s because the only color pants the Browns should wear are the whites.
I can’t imagine what some creative fashion genius will do with a new look. Hopefully, it’s not something that will embarrass the franchise.
Haslam and Banner know about football. Their sense of fashion is about to be put to the test. Change for the sake of change should always be a road carefully traveled.
bluezhound32
SinceNov 8, 2007
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,

January 24, 2013 11:23 am
News: Cleveland Browns Stadium renamed FirstEnergy Stadium
Views: Too bad. There’s something about selling out that rubs me the wrong way. And yet, I understand why Haslam made the deal.
First of all, there is something distinctive about the Browns’ helmet. Haslam says the helmet won’t be touched.
But there is also something distinctive about playing in a stadium that is untouched by big business. It adds old-fashioned charm to an edifice. It adds to the human factor.
Cleveland Browns Stadium told you exactly where the Cleveland Browns played. FirstEnergy Stadium – FirstEnergy Field sounds better – makes one stop and think that, oh yeah, that’s where the Browns play.
Companies think their identifiers place their stamp, their brand in the minds of the public. To some maybe. To most, probably not.
To me, and hopefully many others, it will always be Cleveland Browns Stadium. It’s not like Jacobs Field or Gund Arena, which were original names of their respective venues.
They were nicknamed the Jake or the Gund. Wonder what nickname will be pinned on the latest name change? The fez?
News: Browns hint at future uniform changes
Views: C’mon now. Why mess around with the past? Why change the image of the team? Do Haslam and Banner really think changing the uniform will make a difference?
The Browns, with one notable exception, have had the cleanest looking uniforms in the NFL. Nothing fancy about them. Burnt Orange, Seal Brown and White with clean lines.
The only time the club stumbled with uniform change was in an exhibition game in the early 1980s. They wanted to see what orange numbers with brown and white piping on the back of brown jerseys looked like. In a word, terrible.
If you were sitting beyond the first row at the old Stadium, you couldn’t make out the numbers because they disappeared against the much darker background. The experiment lasted one game.
The jerseys were auctioned off as part of a charity shortly afterward. I own one that was worn by guard Joe DeLamielleure (#64), who now resides in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. It’s a size 48. Not a perfect fit (I’m a size 40), but a treasure nonetheless.
I learned to tolerate the orange pants and brown jerseys of about 30 years ago and was glad when they disappeared. That’s because the only color pants the Browns should wear are the whites.
I can’t imagine what some creative fashion genius will do with a new look. Hopefully, it’s not something that will embarrass the franchise.
Haslam and Banner know about football. Their sense of fashion is about to be put to the test. Change for the sake of change should always be a road carefully traveled.
bluezhound32
SinceNov 8, 2007
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,

January 24, 2013 11:32 am

By Tony Grossi       

The Morning Kickoff …

Tick, tick, tick: Is the clock ticking on the Brandon Weeden era? I hope not. But the facts say otherwise.

Consider this: With 15 starts, Weeden already has exceeded the average lifespan of a Browns quarterback since 1999.

That’s right. The Browns have changed quarterbacks every 12.4 games in their expansion era. They’ve had 18 starting quarterbacks in 224 games in 14 years.

Now, some of the quarterback changes have been due to injury. But not as many as you think. Essentially, the Browns have made 10 quarterback changes because of performance, coaching change or change of heart.

Weeden’s 15 starts as a rookie actually rank fifth on the Browns’ all-time list/expansion era. Only Tim Couch (59 starts), Derek Anderson (34), Colt McCoy (21) and Charlie Frye (19) have more.

Here is an even more shocking statistic: Weeden’s .333 winning percentage (5-10 record) also ranks fifth in the expansion era. The top four: 1. Jake Delhomme, 2-2, .500; 2. Anderson, 16-18, .470; 3. Tim Couch, 22-37, .372; 4. Trent Dilfer, 4-7, .363.

And now for one more statistic even more shocking than anything you’ve read so far: Weeden’s .333 winning percentage is better than the overall mark of the Browns since 1999. They are 73-151 for a win percentage of 326.

Lack of support: Former Browns GM Phil Savage once said that when a franchise drafts a quarterback in the first round, every person in the organization must support him for that quarterback to be successful. That’s easier said than done.

In the 2007 draft, Savage traded a future No. 1 pick to Dallas to move from the second round to the first and select quarterback Brady Quinn. It was a bold move and jolted the fan base like no acquisition before or, frankly, since.

Exactly one year later, Savage committed $24 million in a new three-year contract to Anderson – a former sixth-round pick of Baltimore whom the Browns had claimed off waivers. The reason: Anderson caught fire in 2007 and won 10 of 15 starts.

In the blink of an eye, Quinn became a has-been before he ever made a start. His future was in the past – to borrow the memorable phrase from former Cleveland Indians President Gabe Paul. Quinn replaced Couch as the poster boy of Browns post-expansion quarterbacks.

Cleveland is the place where quarterbacks go to die. The veterans who come here with any credentials underperform. The high draft picks never are developed. The coaches, the coordinators, the offensive systems change so quickly, the young QBs never have a chance to grow.

Peyton Manning would have died here after a 3-13 rookie season. Eli Manning would have died here after a 1-6 rookie season, which included a 0.0 passer rating in one half’s work against the Baltimore Ravens.

If a rookie quarterback doesn’t automatically make the coaches in Cleveland look good, the coaches are not going to be around long enough to make the quarterback look good.

Until this cycle is broken, the Browns will not win consistently.

Go with the arm: On Wednesday, new Browns coach Rob Chudzinski said “it’s premature to say” that Weeden will be the team’s starting quarterback in 2013.

That was a disappointing statement because it supports the predominant belief that CEO Joe Banner and VP/player personnel Mike Lombardi don’t view Weeden as their guy.

I would rather have heard Chudzinski say something like, “Weeden has all the physical tools to be a winning quarterback. It’s my job to make that happen.”

I guess it’s understandable for Chudzinski to temper his feelings about Weeden. He didn’t draft Weeden and he hasn’t been here to coach him a single game. It’s also possible that his interview for the Browns’ coaching job included a thorough discussion about Weeden. Neither Banner nor owner Jimmy Haslam warmed to Weeden during their observation period prior to firing everybody, and Lombardi’s negative assessment of Weeden prior to the draft is well-documented.

But they should give Weeden a chance to develop under offensive coordinator, quarterbacks coach and play-caller Norv Turner.

Troy Aikman looked lost in Dallas his first two seasons with the Cowboys. In Aikman’s third season – and running back Emmitt Smith’s second – Turner arrived as coach Jimmy Johnson’s offensive coordinator and Aikman’s passer rating increased dramatically by 20 points.

The NFL has changed a lot since Turner developed Aikman into a three-time Super Bowl championship quarterback in the 1990s. But maybe the position hasn’t changed all that much. Back then, successful quarterbacks either had a big arm like Aikman, John Elway and Jim Kelly, or exceptional running ability like Steve Young or Randall Cunningham.

You can argue that the new breed of elite quarterbacks appears to have both the strong arm and fast legs – Robert Griffin 3, Russell Wilson, Colin Kaepernick. But Weeden’s arm is the best I’ve seen since the Browns have been back, and that includes Anderson’s.

Chudzinski and Turner have more to work with in Weeden than any Browns quarterback since 1999.

I say to them: Develop Weeden. Don’t let the suits pick your quarterback.

bluezhound32
SinceNov 8, 2007
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,

January 24, 2013 6:18 pm
Bluez, I am with you on the QB situation.

I don't love Weeds, but I soo no shiney new QB that suggests greater potential, and I concur with one of our fellow posters who noted that the development of WRs this year is at tleast in part due to Weeds (his point was that Colt wouild most likely not have facilitated theat growth).

The team moved the ball pretty well, and certainly forced Defenses to honor the entire field when defending against this year's Browns.

Maybe that's not high praise, but this is a different team than what we watched with Colt. Weeds has llots to learn and to prove, but unless there's another Luck or RGIII out there the cost for that experiment is too high.

As usual it is hard to evealuate the QB in Cleveland, because of the many shortcomings of various elements of the team. This past year the coaching staff really choked the growth of their QB, by ignoring his skill set, forcing him to become something diffeerent, and then further hampered his growth by getting play calls in late, condensing his oppty to read and react to nil. Take off the handcuffs, play to his strengths, and make play calls early enough for him to digest and opt out of if he sees something.

Weeds made plenty of errors last year, but the coaches failed him and the team with their approach. I am encouraged that we well not have to work around the coach's "system" in order to get the best from the team we have. I agree Turner knows how to operate on the offensive side and will empower and play to his QB's strengths.  Of course that may not be Weeds, but IMO it should be. Stop the carousel and develope your QB.

The opeing signal to Weeds that he hasn't got the job, reminds me of too many seasons where our QB and our team doesn't know who's starting (leading the O_. That hasn't ever worked out very well, and I beleve the certainty of who is leading the O is imperative to the continuity, growth and development of an offense.

DO NOT BRING IN Alex Smith unless he comes free of charge, otherwise he is not worth it.
kendawg
SinceNov 8, 2006
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,

January 24, 2013 6:39 pm
Bluez, I am with you on the QB situation.

Yeah, me too.  

Love how you've come around on this, Bluez Cool 
rubu1120
SinceNov 30, 2012
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,

January 24, 2013 6:55 pm
i was never against Weeds in the first place ..i mereley said lets bring in a veteran for competition . one not named Vick . Weeds has the big arm . the biggest we have seen around here since well maybe ever ?. he was  a bad fit  in Shurmurs system . hell they were all miscast in that system .


he at least deserves a shot IMHO . his stats and i am not a stat  guy or a bean counter arent that far off from Lucks .

my main concern lies  with the lack of a GM ..I am assuming they are in Mobile this week ? they were at the bowl games last week  ? now that foursome making personell descisions scares the hell out of me . i dont want to turn into the Bengals . they use a magazine rack to do there drafts . musta been a really good magazine as there recent drafts have been very very good .

lets see how it plays out . its all we can do . love the coaching hires for the most part . the GM ..well lets see . the bullseye IMHO isnt on the new staff its on Banner & company to  sign  the right pieces . to retain the right pieces .to draft the right pieces .



Goooooo 49ers
bluezhound32
SinceNov 8, 2007
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,

January 24, 2013 7:43 pm
WooHoo!  K Irving made the All-Star team!  Cool


i was never against Weeds in the first place ..i mereley said lets bring in a veteran for competition . one not named Vick . Weeds has the big arm . the biggest we have seen around here since well maybe ever ?. he was  a bad fit  in Shurmurs system . hell they were all miscast in that system . 

Oh ok, my bad.  Thought you were one of those guys.

So yeah, you're 100% correct about picking him being a mistake due to Shurmur's system.  Maybe Lombardi was right in his critisizm of the pick.

But now.......it looks like  a great pick ;) (he's a perfect fit for a N Turner offense).

 he at least deserves a shot IMHO . his stats and i am not a stat  guy or a bean counter arent that far off from Lucks . 

Not only that but compared to past rookie QB's the team has had he looks like Moses.  Then again, I believe McCoy's first full year as a starter was a better statitical year than Bernie's.  Weeden blew them both away.  And he did so with an offense that had been just dreadful for years.  I think he was a big reason in the turnaround (you know...like they could actually get a few first downs and god-forbid...score TD's).


 
rubu1120
SinceNov 30, 2012
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,

January 24, 2013 8:07 pm
Not only that but compared to past rookie QB's the team has had he looks like Moses.  Then again, I believe McCoy's first full year as a starter was a better statitical year than Bernie's.  Weeden blew them both away.  And he did so with an offense that had been just dreadful for years.  I think he was a big reason in the turnaround (you know...like they could actually get a few first downs and god-forbid...score TD's).
I'll re-post in the spirit of accuracy . . .



McCoy as the starting QB in 2011.  Record = 4 - 9  Games started 13 (0.308)
Weeden as the starting QB in 2012.  Record = 5 - 10  Games started 15 (0.333)

Strength of Schedule (The higher the number, the harder the schedule)
2011 =    0.2   
2012 =   -1.2 

Wide Receivers
2011  Mohamed Massaquoi, Jordan Norwood, Carlton Mitchell, Brian Robiske, Greg Liitle & Josh Cribbs
2012  Travis Benjamin, Josh Cribbs, Greg Little, Josh Gordon & Mohamed Massaquoi

Running Backs
2011  Peyton (Head Case) Hillis, Montario (M*A*S*H) Hardesty, Chris (Practise Squad) Ogbonnaya
2012  Trent Richardson, Montario Hardesty, Chris Ogbonnaya & Brandon (Part Time) Jackson.

O-Line
2011 and 2012 Virtually the same with the exception of replacing RT Tony (Turnstile) Pashos with Mitchell Schwartz (who, as a rookie, improved in every single game to the point where I don't think a tackle is high on the wish list).

Takeaway Differential
2011 = +1
2012 = +3  Meaning the offense had more opportunities

If you agree that the defense in 2012 was improved over the defense in 2011 (which it was), then how can you say that Weeden was still better than McCoy?  McCoy had a harder schedule, with crappy Wide Receivers and zero running game and STILL came in with 0.025 of equalling Weedens numbers in 2012.



I'm not trying to jump start the old Weeden vs McCoy debates (again).  Just think it's only fair to look at the two of them and their production without using apples and oranges.

Lymanacoconut
SinceSep 4, 2007
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,

January 24, 2013 8:11 pm
If you agree that the defense in 2012 was improved over the defense in 2011 (which it was), then how can you say that Weeden was still better than McCoy?  McCoy had a harder schedule, with crappy Wide Receivers and zero running game and STILL came in with 0.025 of equalling Weedens numbers in 2012.

I agree with all of that.  I think Weeden has the bigger up-side...especially in this offense.  

Now, if they were still going with a West Coast....well then maybe McCoy would be better.  Actually, the guy was practically custom made for the WC offense it's just that......well he just can't make all the throws.  I like the guy though, I really do.  
rubu1120
SinceNov 30, 2012
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,

January 24, 2013 8:08 pm
It's been reported that the silly Jets are looking to possibly trade Revis Island.

This new ownership wants to be agressive and make lots of splashes, right?

Revis Island on one side and J Haden on the other?  YIKES!

Do a sign and trade with (McCoy and some draft picks?).   
rubu1120
SinceNov 30, 2012
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,

January 25, 2013 12:59 pm
First off, whats up fellas? It has been a while since I have posted, I have just been reading for a while.



 
It's been reported that the silly Jets are looking to possibly trade Revis Island.

This new ownership wants to be agressive and make lots of splashes, right?

Revis Island on one side and J Haden on the other?  YIKES!

Do a sign and trade with (McCoy and some draft picks?).  

Second..i was thinking this same thing.  I just read the news that Horton has committed to a 3/4, that makes our strength from this past year into a surplus.  I say we use that to our advantage.  Trade Phil Taylor (value-2nd round pick), Colt McCoy (value 4th round?), and say a 3rd and a 6th next year.  Then when we have Revis, the line will look even better, the LBs will look even better with the best (suck it Seahawks) 1-2 combination in the NFL at corner.  That will leave Skrine to play the slot, where he excelled last year.  We could focus this draft on D, land 2 upper middle tier FA and see a big improvement.


   
dogside18
SinceMar 6, 2007
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,

January 25, 2013 1:44 pm
Only problem I have with that dogside is that Big Phil is the best NT prospect on the team...Which is invaluable in the 3-4...

I love Rubin, but as far as a true NT, Taylor is a better choice. I think Rubin could be versatile enough to play one of the DE spots on rotation...


Irish Dawg 42
SinceOct 6, 2006
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,

January 25, 2013 2:13 pm
Here is the issue with Darelle Revis as it pertains to the Jets:

A) their salary cap will not allow them to keep him or cut him, they MUST fix their situation and trading Revis is the easiest to get that started.

B) Revis only has one true year left on his contract, then the final 3 years will be voided and he can become a free agent again..

So now you have to find a team that can absorb Revis cap hit AND have the future money to sign him long term.


I think it would be realistic to trade our #6 and Buster Skrine for Revis and the Jets #9. Jets get a cheap backup CB with starting experience and get to move up 3 spots in the draft(possibly get Milliner to replace Revis)...Browns get someone that will instantly upgrade their defense....most importantly the Browns have the cap room that the Jets do not.


Irish Dawg 42
SinceOct 6, 2006
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,

January 25, 2013 3:52 pm
A) their salary cap will not allow them to keep him or cut him, they MUST fix their situation and trading Revis is the easiest to get that started.
So now you have to find a team that can absorb Revis cap hit AND have the future money to sign him long term.
Dawg -

Doesn't matter if they trade him, cut him, he retires or he gets hit by a bus. The instant he's not on the roster all the prorated bonuses come due ($9M). A trade doesn't help them cap wise. It just gets them some value for a guy that is probably going to walk after 2013. Now if they trade after June 1st some of that could be pushed to 2014 but the most economical thing to do is to keep him. He's a $9M cap hit on the team, $12M if he's not on the team (prior to June 1).

As for the trading partner the 1st issue is easy. He's due $6M in 2013 - which is very affordable. The future money as you point out is the real issue because that will have to be worked out before a deal is done. I would say thanks, but no thanks simply because of the injury. You just don't know how he's going to respond.

Looking through the Jets glasses the only positive I see from trading him, other than the compensation is that he'll be off the books for 2014 completely. The team is so screwed cap wise and has so many free agents that need re-signed they could be the worst team in the NFL next year anyway. At least they'd get a fresh start in 2014.

p.s. If he were to get by a bus I actually think there is a way for the team to apply for some cap relief so I might have gone overboard on that one. Laughing



beachbum312
SinceSep 17, 2006
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,

January 25, 2013 4:41 pm
Thanks beach and:

Happy Birthday!!



I thought they could transfer that bonus money to the new team...which would give them cap relief...my mistake.


Irish Dawg 42
SinceOct 6, 2006
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,

January 25, 2013 8:36 pm

LBG, Art Modell sucks! Plenty of appropriate places for the "Modell" sympathizers to co-miserate.  I would think the freakin DPL would be about the last place to ever come run that horsechit. You had to know that wasn't going to be a popular stance...  And don't act liked that fat basterd was so noble. Bottom line: He got a better stadium deal in a different city.  So he uprooted a cornerstone franchise in this league and broke the hearts of millions of loyal supporters...There was such backlash that it forced the NFL to promise the city of Cleveland a new team upon completion of the new stadium (one that was in the works for Art anyway), and also forced that fat phuque to leave it all behind!  Not sure if you are aware of this, but that is unprecedented in the history of proffessional franchise moves.......All the records. All the incredible team history, and most importantly, the colors!  EVERYTHING.  He had to leave it behind in the faithfull city that supported his team with an absolute passion for all those years...If he ever gets in the HoF, then the HoF loses all credibility in my book...He gave up the HoF when he took the $$$$ and ran to Baltimore.  That trumps any and all good he ever did for this league......
    

TOPDAWG
SinceOct 12, 2006
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,

February 3, 2013 8:04 pm
LBG, Art Modell sucks! Plenty of appropriate places for the "Modell" sympathizers to co-miserate.  I would think the freakin DPL would be about the last place to ever come run that horsechit. You had to know that wasn't going to be a popular stance...  And don't act liked that fat basterd was so noble. Bottom line: He got a better stadium deal in a different city.  So he uprooted a cornerstone franchise in this league and broke the hearts of millions of loyal supporters...There was such backlash that it forced the NFL to promise the city of Cleveland a new team upon completion of the new stadium (one that was in the works for Art anyway), and also forced that fat phuque to leave it all behind!  Not sure if you are aware of this, but that is unprecedented in the history of proffessional franchise moves.......All the records. All the incredible team history, and most importantly, the colors!  EVERYTHING.  He had to leave it behind in the faithfull city that supported his team with an absolute passion for all those years...If he ever gets in the HoF, then the HoF loses all credibility in my book...He gave up the HoF when he took the $$$$ and ran to Baltimore.  That trumps any and all good he ever did for this league......
Hate to break it to you, but I don't go getting al lbent out of shape because of the title of a thread.  I state my opinions and belifs no matter where the hell I am at in real life or cyber space.  I will not be told when and where to respond to lunacy.  I did absolutely know it wouldn't be popular and last I checked I wasn't running in a popularity contest.  There was no intentions of "stirring the pot" as you seem to imply.  Yes, he got a better stadium deal in a different city.  And your point is what?  Cleveland had first dibs.  Your backlash had influence no doubt, but guess wqhat you forced nothing.  The National Football League didn't HAVE to do ish.  They chose to influence Art to give up the colors and history.  Guess what, Art could have taken them with him regardless of what you might wish to believ to be true.  Did Art Modell look like he shed a tear by not getting the colors and name that he basically created?  If you believe yes you kid only yourself.  The fact that you consider the Browns a cornerstone franchise at the time of their departure I'll chalk up to a compliment to Art Modell.  We thank you and say carry on. 

You really think the City of Cleveland has such influence on billionaires?  HA.  They could have left the City of Cleveland high and dry gone about their lives and left you all to cry.  They had absolutely ZERO pressure from you, but please by all means continue to believe it to be the opposite.  Oh and as for the last phrase, and this is where it gets tricky.....Do you guys realize where the hell the Hall of Fame is?!  Hate to break it to you but their are only 32 owners in the league, and guess what Art Modell knew all of them. There wouldn't even be a damn Hall of Fame in Canton without he and his partners deciding to put it in Ohio.  Guess who rallied the sentiment and consideration in Ohio's favor?  Okay maybe between Art Modell and the owner of the Benglas can split credit.  They could have dropped that bia anywhere in the upper 48.  Don't for a second go thinking that he is departed from that situation for a second.  I know it makes you feel better to believe you have some kind of power in things when it comes to professional sports.  And I want that for you I really do, but the realism is that isn't the case.  Your opinions don't matter and your votes don't count for ish, not to be too harsh. He may not have gotten in this year, but he is getting in, make no mistake.  And now I'm done!
longbombgudnite
SinceSep 15, 2007