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Broncos reportedly interested in Derrelle Revis?January 30, 2013 3:10 pm
Hahahahahahaha. Awwww, you have to put words in my mouth now? Either that or you lack basic reading comprehension. You're so cute. Here's a tip JR. When you know you are wrong and don't have a clue what you are saying, just stop.
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Broncos reportedly interested in Derrelle Revis?January 30, 2013 12:49 pm
And btw, it's not you "and others". Most people on this board and other boards know how to debate using logic and valid opinion. It's just you. Regurgitating articles of journalists' opinions as fact is not the way to debate. Unless you want to bore everyone to death.
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Broncos reportedly interested in Derrelle Revis?January 28, 2013 5:18 pm
One thing that's overlooked is that Welker was also RFA at the time. Dolphins got more comp from the Patriots, while NE got better contract terms through the trade. Had NE tendered the RFA offer instead, they would only have given up a 2nd pick to Miami, but would also have needed to craft a contract that Miami was unlikely to match. |
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Broncos reportedly interested in Derrelle Revis?January 28, 2013 4:58 pm
your analysis of the Bledsoe deal is grossly incorrect. The Pats felt the had a better fit for their system in Brady and benched and subsequently traded a "franchise QB" to a division rival. Saying they just had a guy better is not indicative of the situation seeing as Bledsoe got them a 1st round pick in trade and made the Pro Bowl that year after one his best seasons ever. How is my analysis of the Bledsoe deal "grossly incorrect"? I said the Patriots didn't care where he went because they had somebody better. You said in your post that Brady was a "better fit for their system." You even used the same term (better) that I did. So I'm not really sure why you think what I said was "grossly incorrect." The fact of the matter remains, the Patriots preferred Brady over Bledsoe, they had just won a Super Bowl with Brady, so they weren't really concerned with where Bledsoe ended up. The fact that Bledsoe made the Pro Bowl after the trade is irrelevant; despite his great season, the Bills were still only 8-8 and finished below the Patriots in the division. The point is that 1) inter-division trades happen and you can't say they wouldn't in this case with any sort certainty nor can you compare made up scenarios to historical ones. 2) The Jets cap situation brings a different element to the scenario that none of the other examples had and was a major part of my point if you read from the beginning. 3) There are not 31 teams in the NFL that can trade for AND sign Revis to the money he's looking for. Yes, interdivision trades happen but they are rare. Secondly, I think you're reading way too much into the Jets cap situation. If they truly want to keep Revis, they'll find a way to do it. They'll make the money work. They certainly aren't forced to trade Revis, which is why they are exploring trading Cromartie instead. I agree with your point 3, but the Jets don't need 31 other teams to trade for Revis, they just need one. So if you agree with Walker that trading in the division is not the Jets 1st choice assuming they do deal Revis, I don't disagree. However, as I said, if the best offer comes from the Dolphins, Bills or Pats, the Jets would be stupid not to take it. The Jets are not close to competing and are in a major cap bind. Trading a player coming off ACL surgery and a major concussion for possibly 2 high picks to a division opponent could hurt the other team more than it helps plus it helps the Jets rebuild with young, cheap talent. Unless the Patriots just blow everyone else out of the water, the Jets won't trade with them. No one is saying that it is absolutely out of the realm of possibility that the Jets would trade Revis to the Patriots, just that it is extremely, extremely unlikely. I'd bet the Jets would take slightly less from someone like Tampa Bay just to keep Revis away from the Jets. |
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Broncos reportedly interested in Derrelle Revis?January 28, 2013 5:11 pm
6482....you said the Pats didnt care cause they have someone better. Statistically that's incorrect. Brady threw for 2300 yards in 14 starts. So just writing it off because "they had someone better" is not understanding the situation. And to trade Bledsoe to the Bills? Hell, if you can write off that trade then why not trade Revis to anyone after Cromartie had a career year? Point is, the situation is not that much different. Both teams have a viable replacement. I also, in my original post, said the Dolphins and Bills were more likely targets for the Jets because the Pats don't have the ammo in draft picks so lets curb the trading with the Pats scenario and keep with the conversation. Let's also keep in mind that the Jets are rebuilding and are probably a couple of seasons away so trading a huge chip and taking away a division opponents high picks would be helping them just the same.
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Broncos reportedly interested in Derrelle Revis?January 28, 2013 10:38 pm
6482....you said the Pats didnt care cause they have someone better. Statistically that's incorrect. Brady threw for 2300 yards in 14 starts. So just writing it off because "they had someone better" is not understanding the situation. And to trade Bledsoe to the Bills? Hell, if you can write off that trade then why not trade Revis to anyone after Cromartie had a career year? Point is, the situation is not that much different. I disagree, the situation is DRASTICALLY different. Leave the stats to for fantasy football, and tell me how many Super Bowls Bledsoe won with the Patriots. Of course he didn't win any, and Brady won one in his first season as a starter. He may not have put up the same stats, but the team responded to him, he won a Super Bowl, he was better. Cromartie and the Jets didn't win the Super Bowl. There is no one who believes that Cromartie is better than Revis. And there is no way the Jets are going to help the Patriots address one of their biggest weaknesses and get them closer to a Super Bowl. |
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Broncos reportedly interested in Derrelle Revis?January 29, 2013 12:13 am
I knew what you meant by the 2007 Dolphins. I didn't word my response well. I meant "unfortunately" for the dolphins seeing as he led the team in receiving the previous year. As far as the example, you can run with any angle you want but you downplayed the talent moved in the 3 divisional trades I cited. It's also not "fantasy football" that the Jets had the #2 passing defense in the NFL...it's reality. Teams shy away from the #1 CB in general. When Cromartie was #1 he played great because teams didn't challenge him much. When he was #2 he was torched. If anyone is being overrated here its Revis. Is he great? Yes. Is he important as a QB? No. In fact the position is overrated all on its own. Also, you keep going back to the Pats as the only team in the division and possible trade partner. Like I said before and even before that in my original post, the Pats have the least ammo in the division to pull off a Revis trade. And like I've said repeatedly, trading Revis for a divisional opponent's 1st round pick and 2nd or 3rd round pick is FAR from helping them. Trades weigh out for a reason otherwise players for picks would never happen. If the jets could take away high draft picks from divisional opponents for a guy coming off a concussion and a torn ACL, they are FAR from "helping" them.
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