Where are all the QUALIFIED black HCs

BSTING, way to miss the point, my point is if you disagree with obama people will call you a racist. there is a difference! but iam sure you know that. well i hope you know that anyway

sure, because every black person ever hired most have turned out right as well right? yes i agree people have hired otheres of all color that have worked out well and not so well! when you hire someone it is a risk you take. my opinion is the nfl did it as a p.r. move, just like espn said sorry for the mcarron girlfriend thing! that was a p.r. move as well!.

what i dont get is people like you talk about the white owners, well they play millions of dollars to black players all the time, why? cuz the black players are the best for the job! and in some cases the players make more then the coach, so those white owners dont mind giving their white money to players when they are the best for the job and that helps their on field success but you think they have a problem giving their white money to a coach that will help that same success? yeah ok!! funny you talk about other people not thinking, look at yourself my man!!

what i dont get is people like you talk about the white owners, well they play millions of dollars to black players all the time, why? cuz the black players are the best for the job! and in some cases the players make more then the coach, so those white owners dont mind giving their white money to players when they are the best for the job and that helps their on field success but you think they have a problem giving their white money to a coach that will help that same success? yeah ok!! funny you talk about other people not thinking, look at yourself my man!!..

lol...you GET, what you choose to get...what you DON'T get, is its not about white owners hiring black players, or hiring minorities, per se...its about white owners failure in putting blacks  or minorities in decision making, power positions...thats the difference between hiring players and hiring coaches...for a better analogy than your example...see the movie Django...Candy, the plantation owner, owns plenty of slaves to keep his plantation in operation, everyone has a job, slaves are fully represented and fully employed, everyone has a job...but what you don't have is black plantation owners, or black folks running the operation in a decision making, power and authority,  capacity...do you see the difference???...so you can champion all of the owners that pay players millions to win games, because they are best for the job, but when it comes to positions of power, decision making positions, authoratative positions, the hiring of minorities has always been lacking... blacks and other minorities, simply do not get the same opportunities and benefit of the doubt that white males do...do you really believe if Rex Ryan were black he'd still be in NY coaching....with the things he's said, his promises, predictions, and his antics over the past few years, and with the decisions he's made as head coach of the Jets, do you think he'd still be there today as coach of the Jets if he were a black coach???...

wow, so you are now comparing playing and coaching in the nfl to slavery?? again i think a nfl owner would hire whoever he thinks gives them the best chance of winning, no matter what color or what job!
about rex ryan, its a good question, but my answeris most likely, Jets are a poor ran org. so he may just be. but the fact is neither of us know the answer, so just cuz you raise the question doesnt mean that you are right!

so just cuz you raise the question doesnt mean that you are right!...

...just giving my opinion, its a messageboard...thats what we do here...doesn't necessarily mean I'm right, doesn't mean I'm wrong either...

again i think a nfl owner would hire whoever he thinks gives them the best chance of winning, no matter what color or what job!..

in a perfect world I'd agree...but in this case, it doesn't make you right ...

bstings, let me quote you, just giving my opinions on the owners, thats what we do here on message boards, but it doesnt make me wrong either!

bsting, no ur are right, thats all any of us are doing here is giving opinions! but to compare the nfl and slavery, well i dont know how if your black, you even come up with that logic or how black people arent insulted by that! but whatever makes you happy!

but to compare the nfl and slavery, well i dont know how if your black, you even come up with that logic ...

yeah, because the very real racism that we speak of today in hiring practices, in this case, the NFL, has no linkage at all to the mentality of past days, that allowed for slavery, master/slave relationships, and a system where blacks were not allowed to be in ownership positions, decision making positions, power postions, etc...NONE OF THAT IS RELATED TO THE PAST??....and where black people were considered to be less intelligent, less than capable, less than qualified, etc ....to think there is any connection with todays conditions and the way society operated during the slavery era, is simply out of the question??, ok...lol...thats the legacy of slavery....my dad and granddad were'nt slaves, but you don't think they were denied jobs and other opportunities during their lifetimes because of the legacy of slavery, and all that came from it??..we've come a long way, but there still is much to change, still a ways to go...and until we rid our society of all the old stereotypes and racist attitudes, we'll continue to have issues today, yes, even in 2013, and with a black President...racism, racist attitudes, fairness in hiring, is still an issue...

bsting, you will never rid the world of racism, you just wont! there will always be rude and dumb people that believe in hate, and this means all people not just white or black or anything else! i just think people are way to fast to pull the race card, remember al sharpton at duke yelling racism?? yeah what happened there my man?
but to answer your question, no i dont think who owners hire have anything to do with the days of slavery at all! and to be honest with you, i think blacks do more to bring themselfs down then anybody else does! but again thats just my opinion tho!

and i will also point out , we were talking about players and coaches, just remember that both jordan and magic started out as just players, now they both own teams!

yeah what happened there my man? ...

so one man was wrong, on 1 isolated case, therefore you throw out everything else...what about the many issues that he was right about??...lol...any discussion of race here, never happens without at least one reference to Sharpton or Jackson, as if race wasn't an issue before and will be after they are gone....you can sum up the entire issue of racism in America, hundreds of years of American  race history with , the Shapton/Duke case..lol

no my point about sharpton is everytime something happens its the first thing he yells. yes i agree he has been right on issues before but for it to be the first thing he yells and marches about before knowing the facts... well it sets all of us back!

and iam not suming up all american race history with that one case, iam sure there are plenty of examples on both sides we can use

F.Y.I.......the comparison I'm making,  is not Slavery to the NFL....the comparison is the mentality of "owners" during the slavery era, and the mentality of "owners" today that discount the abilities of minorities, that continue to deny individuals opportunities based on old stereotypes and prejudices from years past...and yes, I speak as a black person, and I believe black folks are far more insulted by those conditions, then and now, and being discounted as people, discounted in regards to accomplishments and abilities, than are insulted by my comparison...again, just an opinion of someone that speaks, as a black person...

how do u know they discount their abilities? you dont! you are passing off your opinion as a fact . maybe these owners just think a person will do a better job then another person, to back track a bit, you brought up the Jets and rex ryan? well that same jets org has had a black coach correct? and yes he got fired but in all honesty if the jets dont turn around ryan will be hitting the road as well!

thats why the NFL felt the need to apply a Rooney rule to its 32 white owners, because history has shown them to be so open minded and fair in their hiring practices concerning minorities...good thing no one in the NFL pays you for thinking...

31 owners are white.  Or the Jacksonville Jaguars Owner spends all his time at the tanning salon.  Shahid Khan is Pakistani-American.


   

31 owners are white.  Or the Jacksonville Jaguars Owner spends all his time at the tanning salon.  Shahid Khan is Pakistani-American...

...yes we all are aware that Khan is not white....the Rooney rule was implemented in 2003....Khan bought team in 8 years later, in 2011...

...yes we all are aware that Khan is not white....the Rooney rule was implemented in 2003....Khan bought team in 8 years later, in 2011...

It didn't sound like you knew.  Its 2013 and you said that all 32 team owners were white.  If you knew it back in 2011 then why in 2013 are you saying all 32 team owners are white? Is this supposed to be making us think that despite the rule made in 2003 that there is some sort of racism because there are no black owners?  
  

 If you knew it back in 2011 then why in 2013 are you saying all 32 team owners are white?...

...the topic being discussed earlier was whether the Rooney rule was even necessary, or if it was working at all...thats why I said 32 white owners, because at the time of implementation Khan wasn't an owner...and besides,  your point is rather irrelevant...it doesn't change anything I said, if there were 2 or 5 minority owners...the Rooney rule addresses hiring practices by owners, not ownership of teams...and my point isn't directed at just NFL owners, it goes to all team sports ownership, and to societal hiring practices in general...