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I don't need to look at anything to know playing outdoors ( Buffalo) is much harder than indoors period. That's called common sense.

Thanks, Captian Obvious. But it's also common sense that when Carter's numbers are relatively equal for home and road, that means playing in a dome for a minimum of 8 games per season didn't inflate his stats. Therefore, it wasn't a factor.

As for not looking anything up I can assume you are back to that Bucs team.

Nope, not just that. You tried to claim Roger Craig was the first dual threat RB. It's been thoroughly proven he was not, and I've already shown that someone else BEFORE Craig actually did something Craig never could accomplish: rushing for over 1300 yards and posting 80+ receptions in the same season.

Which I proved the way to beat them was running the ball and the numbers show that.

No, you didn't. The Bucs still had an elite run defense. You were trying to portray that Bucs team as being weak against the run, which they clearly were not.  

Again that team played in I believe it was 10 double diget wins that year. And still were tenth in the league is rushes against.

10th FEWEST attempts allowed. Good Lord. Do I have to type that a 3rd time before it sinks in?

That's a high number for that many blowouts, most teams ditch the run and pass to catch up when down two or more scores.

I'll type it a 3rd time just to make sure. That's NOT a high number of attempts because they allowed the 10th FEWEST attempts in the NFL.

Got it so weather affects everybody accept Reed and Carter thanks for clearing that up. And I know they were 10th in attempts against that's the point. All of their wins but two were blowouts so why we're teams running on them so much? Because that's how you beat the Bucs team. And I never said Craig was the first dual threat I understand/stood there were others. It doesn't in anyway minimize the impact Craig had on the game. Again I won't argue this fact with fans anymore because it's well documented Wlashes opinion on Craig, as well as other who are around the game. It's a crime Roger isn't in the hall and it's what happens when writers are the only vote. They base their opinions solely on numbers and not contribution or impact.

Got it so weather affects everybody accept Reed and Carter thanks for clearing that up.

Nope, it takes looking at the stats. Something which you criticize people for doing, and yet don't bother to do yourself. Throwing out a general statement like Carter played in a dome is insufficient. You had no stats to back anything up, and as I said earlier. You just type stuff and hope for the best. It's been proven it didn't affect him since his stats weren't that different on the road. He dominated no matter where he played. You haven't back one thing up you said. You've just made generalized statements.

And I know they were 10th in attempts against that's the point. All of their wins but two were blowouts so why we're teams running on them so much?

How were teams running on them that much? Since when is 10th fewest out of 32 teams a lot???? Teams had to run SOME kind of plays against the Bucs. And the Bucs were FIRST in fewest rushing TDs allowed that season, allowing only THREE the entire year. So please tell me how running was supposed to help teams score when no one could do it? You were acting like they sucked on run defense, so don't pretend otherwise.

And I never said Craig was the first dual threat I understand/stood there were others.

Liar. You challenged other people to name players before Craig. You don't make a challenge like that if you don't think he was the first. Shall I re-post your post too where you said you were still waiting on names? On top of that, you then said those names were weak.

Liar. You challenged other people to name players before Craig. You don't make a challenge like that if you don't think he was the first. Shall I re-post your post too where you said you were still waiting on names? On top of that, you then said those names were weak.

Scuba, welcome to the troubled mind of Hitsquad.  He'll deny deny deny until he's blue in the face even with the facts right there in front of his face.

You'll never get a "Good point, never thought of it like that" or "I stand corrected" or anything of the nature, despite the fact that we are all human and capable of being wrong from time to time.  It's truly a shame that people can't accept the fact that they are wrong.

I would be fine with "well, fair enough.  I see your point but I still feel like Reed was a better receiver" and while I don't agree I wouldn't argue either.

It STILL tasted like balls, so that's when I figured " it just was the beer for me. -Kylews8973........^^^^^^^^^^^^^This

Now back to reality. I have said I have been wrong on these boards numerous times. But I'm not wrong here. Craig is widely credited with how running backs evolved into passing threats in football. That doesn't mean he was the first to ever catch a pass, it means he took it to another level. And you can be fine all you want I don't see your point, it's that simple. I can accept your stance you feel Carter was better. But to come here and even remotely say playing indoors is the same as outdoors in cities like Buffalo, N.E., N.Y., Pitt,Philly, Cle, Cin, is retarded. And that's regardless of the stats because if they are even comparable that points to how good he really was then. Remember he also played NE, NY outside because they don't have domes. While Carter got GB,Chi, outside and comfy dome Detroit. Like it or not those are things that matter. Same as scores in games who was on teams playing from behind more often? Vikes or those Bills teams? I'd say the Vikes which again means they were probably passing more. (and yes I know about the k gun and it was pass happy) But there is a lot that goes into how stats are acquired.

But to come here and even remotely say playing indoors is the same as outdoors in cities like Buffalo, N.E., N.Y., Pitt,Philly, Cle, Cin, is retarded.

It's different, but it's not like you put Carter in Buffalo's offense and he's lagging behind, either.   Look what happened when Moss went from the comfy confines of the dome to NE.  He broke the fuck****in record for most td passes in a season.  Ever. 

Like it or not those are things that matter. Same as scores in games who was on teams playing from behind more often? Vikes or those Bills teams?

irrelevant.  Irvin played on teams that were rarely behind and he still got his.  Same with Rice.  Same with your very own Stallworth.  Same with Raymond Berry.  Same with Calvin Johnson last year.  Same with Andre Johnson every year.  Same with Larry Fitzgerald the year they made the super bowl.  Same with T.O. Same with Andre Reed.  Tell me when to stop. You don't think the Vikings weren't blowing folks away the year they went 15-1?  Carter never missed a beat, despite having Moss on the team to take away targets.  Fact is Carter was putting up numbers when they were good and when they weren't. What else do you want? 

Again I ask you, how can you laugh when I use stats as a barometer of how effective a player was yet you used them in John Randle's defense?