Tough Football Year

It was so clear that is was PI

This is a highly debated issue. On one side, folks believe it is defensive PI bacause contact was made while the ball was in the air. On the other side, folks are saying contact was initiated by the WR within 5 yards, it carried into the end zone, both players were responsible for contact in the end zone, and the defender fell down, all while the ball was sailing out of bounds. It can be debated whether the ball was even catchable.

There is simply no concensus on that play, by analysts, players, officials, coaches, etc. who offered their opinion. With all that murkiness and subjectivity, I think we all just have to take the play as called and focus on things that were in the 49ers' control, such as not taking a time out on first down at midfield in the third quarter. Run a QB sneak or throw the ball away. Also, get your team ready to run a play before you have to call a second time out, late in the game in the red zone. Each time out cost 40 seconds the 49ers could have had after a Ravens punt.

Well there was holding to you can call holding or Defensive PI.  Eitehr way it was a bad non call.  Its all good.  Just like ND, 49ers will learn from this and hope get it done next time.

I'm thinking that the ONLY reason the wr made contact with the db is b/c he,the wr,was being held by the db.Should have been a flag.

I'm thinking that the ONLY reason the wr made contact with the db is b/c he,the wr,was being held by the db.Should have been a flag.

The WR initiated contact, according to every expert I saw who analyzed the replay and commented on the play. That is not being debated. The ball was in the air before contact, so defensive holding cannot be called, only PI. But when the WR initiates contact, most analysts say a flag will not be thrown. The flag is thrown far more often when the defender initiates contact. After contact was made, they jostled, the defender fell down, and the WR went for the ball which was thrown out of bounds and would have been an extremely difficult catch even without any contact. The rush made Kaep throw before he wanted to and he couldn't look for other receivers breaking open. Gore let a blitzer through untouched, causing the awkward release, and the ball sailed out of bounds.

No right away the CB grabbed Crabtree, then let go so by being grabbed he was already into the CB and then when he was about to make the catch the CB was all over him. 


Well every expert I heard said it was a bad call. only one I heard straight out say it wasnt a bad call was the 1 announcer.   Some think its an ok Non call but the factor is that most people are forgetting is the Ravens just got a PI on the last series that helped them get 3pts.  49er defender had alot less contact and the ball was uncatchable.  If they didnt call that play I wouldnt care about the Crabtree play.  It would be that the refs let them play through out the game.  That wasnt the case.    



Either way crap happens.  I now know how seattle feels.  Well somewhat.      


No    way Crabtree started the contact.  It easy to see Smith going to crabtree and grabbing.  Hope this helps. 

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=TW7qWnMFgW0&NR=1]

Short list of folks on the good-no-call side:

Phil Simms - QB
Deion Sanders - CB
Keyshawn Johnson -WR
Cris Carter - WR
Mike Pereira - Ref
Also, 4 out of 5 NFL.com writers on the NFL.com Super Debate page analyzing the play

There may be plenty of folks on both sides, but I see more on the good no-call side. I'd call that murky at best6 for those still complaining.

“It was not an obvious foul and until I looked at it in slow motion, it seemed like no foul at all. It’s not a penalty I would want called if I were still VP of Officiating for the NFL,” said Pereira.

Also, wasn't this the same Niners team that benefited from a no-call in an almost identical situation in the NFC championship game? On fourth-and-4 with the Atlanta Falcons' season hanging in the balance, Matt Ryan fired toward Roddy White. The Niners' NaVorro Bowman prevented the completion. He later told Sports Illustrated that he was "pulling and tugging" on White during the play.
Harbaugh, oddly, didn't bring this up in his news conference. 

Live by the no-call, die by the no-call. At least the 49ers got a gift-wrapped no-call and a trip to New Orleans. Time for the complainers to deal with the fact that they benefitted as much as they were hurt by non-calls.

Chris Carter said it was PI but understand the non call. Johnson said the same.  Simms didnt like the call.  At first he was ok with it but watching he said it was a missed call.  

It will go down as on of the worst calls.  Seattle has us beat against Pitt.  They really lost because of the refs.


This whole Atlanta talk is crap.  I didnt here was personsay that was PI or holding.  I dont even think Atlanta fans think it was PI.  Also white was still short of the 1st down.  Bowman did not hold.  There was very little contact, big difference from a CB taking his 2 hands and holding a WR.   

An article on CBS, dated 2/7/13. After all the dust has settled. Folks have had time to analyze it to death. Here is the conclusion by some of the most qualified people. 

“Would I have called that? No," Pereira [said]. "The dreaded fade pass into the corner of the end zone where there is always going to be a little bit of contact. I thought Phil Simms put it perfectly, when he called it it was a straight incomplete pass. When they showed one replay, ‘Good no call,' he said. Another replay, ‘Still good no-call by the officials.' And then the third replay, ‘Well, maybe there's a little grab there.'

"Maybe you can make a case there. That's what slow motion does. It kind of presents a case that is a maybe, but there is absolutely no way in real time that you're going to say ‘any type of material restriction' and that's what the book says, any type of material restriction that would've kept Crabtree from making the catch. Then Crabtree himself gave it away because if you look when the play is over he didn't complain, he never complained one bit, he didn't feel any type of restriction.

"I would say this, too, as I've said to others, as far as Jim Harbaugh giving the holding signal from the sideline, that it couldn't be, it couldn't be holding, it couldn't be illegal contact because when that contact occurred the ball was already in the air so it was either pass interference or nothing. But to me, it's nothing.

"Although Harbaugh probably had a pretty good view because I think for the last few plays he was standing at the 10-yard line, 20 some odd yards away from the coaching box.”

The man who now has Pereira's job, Dean Blandino, agrees.

"When you watch it at full speed, to me, it was a good non-call," Blandino told [Newsday].

And Pereira agrees with Harbaugh's notion that "a penalty is a penalty."

"It's the same ... for any fourth-down play or play of the game," he said. "If you're 100 percent sure it's a foul, then you throw it. If you're not sure it's a foul, then don't throw it. I think that qualifies pretty clearly. …

Mostly SF fans and maybe Ravens haters are still saying it was a botched call. The rest of us accept it as the correct call. The ref issue certainly will be forgotten by the sports world and the game will simply go down as a tale of 2 games (before the power outage and after) where the Ravens prevailed. Well, the image of Jim Harbaugh begging for a holding call will linger for a while, but not any controversy over the way the officials handled the calls.

Its a fact that it was a bad call.  NFL even said it(well somewhat). They said is was a call that should of been made but understand why it wasnt.   It was a missed call.  Everyone in the world saw it.  Its all good.  We will be back. 

on to the 2013 season for both ND and SF.  

Its a fact that it was a bad call

No, it's your opinion.  Doesn't make it fact.

NFL even said it

No they didn't.  Your cry-baby coach did.

They said is was a call that should of been made but understand why it wasnt.

Not sure who "they" is, but here is what the former head of officials said:

"If you're 100 percent sure it's a foul, then you throw it. If you're not sure it's a foul, then don't throw it. I think that qualifies pretty clearly. …" 

He said the official wasn't sure it was a foul, so he didn't throw it.  He never once said "The official knew it was a foul, but didn't throw the flag".  You're only reading what you want from it, and you're comprehending it all wrong.  Anger can sometimes do that.

It was a missed call. Everyone in the world saw it.

No it wasn't and no they didn't.  Just deal with it already.  The current head of officials already stated the official made the right call.  Not sure what else you need to understand?  A lobotomy perhaps?

Micro its a fact.  When you learn that it will help you.  Go check the rules.  

http://bleacherreport.com/tb/d9DLZ?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=san-francisco-49er

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That article talks about a hold on the kick return, not the last play. We can freeze the action and find an infraction on almost every play. Nobody is complaining about the kick return. Not even Jim Harbaugh. We're talking about the Crabtree play now. The article cited above hightlighted this tidnit at the beginning of the article.

[RELATED: [Pereira says good no call on last play to Crabtree]]

When the ex-VP of officials and the current-VP of officials said the no-call was the right call, it was a good no-call.

Nobody is complaining about the kick return. Not even Jim Harbaugh. We're talking about the Crabtree play now.

Don't confuse purguy with facts.  It really messes with his brain.

When the ex-VP of officials and the current-VP of officials said the no-call was the right call, it was a good no-call.

See purguy?  That's a fact.  Just like I stated over on the 49ers board.  Just because you refuse to accept it doesn't make it false.

Crabtree himself didn't even complain about the call.  And I have seen more crying over less of a non-call than that.  Why are you the lone 49er fan still crying over this?  It's over.  The game was called evenly.  Seriously, put on your big boy pants and man up. 

object- I know already posted a video on that last play.  This is just another big play the refs missed for the ravens.  

To be honest I didnt see this play happen until the 2nd time I watched it.   

Pereira is a joke.  During the season he would almost get every review wrong. 

Overall its all good I was right and 90% of the people that knew it was a bad call was right.  You guys are on the other side looking bad.  

I hate this non call crap its either a flag or not.  There is no in between.  When people say its an ok non call that means in the back of their head they are saying its a penalty but it was ok to not to call it on that play because of how late in the game it was. 

Again I will say it 1 more time if it helps you.  If you call it on the 49er guy with alot less contact then you have to call it on the ravens.  Its not that hard.  Even John harbaugh thought his player was going to call it.   

call it both ways thats all Im asking.  IF they didnt call it on us and then didnt call it on Crabtree then I would of been ok with it.   

Pereira is a joke. During the season he would almost get every review wrong.

Really?  You don't run the officals crew for 5 years if you're a joke.  As for his % of reviews wrong, do you have proof that he "got almost every review wrong"?  If not, just stop now.  You're digging an even deeper hole.

I was right and 90% of the people that knew it was a bad call was right

Besides the obvious lack of grammar, care to prove that 90% of the people were right?  So you're saying that 90% of all people said the call was bad?  I'd say 90% of the 49ers board agree that it was a good non call and it didn't lose the game for the 49ers.

I hate this non call crap its either a flag or not. There is no in between.

That wasn't your stance earlier.  You said that the calls in the early part of the game don't matter but the ones at the end do.  Why the change all of a sudden? 

IF they didnt call it on us and then didnt call it on Crabtree then I would of been ok with it.

And they didn't.  That's what you're not getting.  Torrey Smith was a$$-raped by 2 of your defenders in the 2nd quarter on what could've been a long pass play, possibly a TD.  There was no call there.  But, you don't see those things through your gold and red glasses.

As for his % of reviews wrong, do you have proof that he "got almost every review wrong"? 

Proof? This is a fact. What other proof do you need?

Besides the obvious lack of grammar, care to prove that 90% of the people were right?

Again, its a fact. You dont have to prove facts. They are just facts. Trust me.

And they didn't.  That's what you're not getting.  Torrey Smith was a$$-raped by 2 of your defenders in the 2nd quarter on what could've been a long pass play, possibly a TD.  There was no call there.  But, you don't see those things through your gold and red glasses.

Doesnt matter. Im right and everyone knows it. 95% of the people agree with my post. Its a fact.

Hmm........

Yawn.

Take it to the NFL board, gentlemen.  Thank you.

Take it to the NFL board, gentlemen. Thank you.

Like nothing else but ND football has ever been discussed here? 

Also, I've tried keeping it to the SF board, but purguy brought his whining here too. 

Try being a ND, 49ers AND Saints fan!! Talk about a rough year start to finish. The more concerning call in this game was #29 for the Ravens throwing gut shots AND pushing a ref and nothing happened. That player then broke up a sure TD pass later in the game. There is no excusing that no call. Should had been 15 and he should have been ejected without hesitation.

Yawn.

Take it to the NFL board, gentlemen.  Thank you.


Coming from you that's freaking hilarious. You're welcome.

Purguy,
          I am sure that the Kansas Jayhawk fans and Jacksonville Jag fans are playing a very tiny violin for you as I type. Now that's a tough football year. Let's put things into proper perspective.

Take it to the NFL board, gentlemen.  Thank you.

No thanks.

No thanks.

Three days after National Signing Day, oh the humanity! I was thinking of starting a favorite sitcom thread here.

Whywork,

That might be tougher than you'd first imagine.  It's the "com" part that makes it so.  How many sitcoms actually make/made us laugh, realy laugh.  In the past two decades you could count them on one hand:  Seinfeld, Frasier, Big Bang Theory, Modern Family and maybe one other I'm not thinking of.  Even among the old shows there weren't that many that were really funny:  the old Abbot & Costello Show (Jerry Seinfeld's personal all-time favorite sitcom), The Honeymooners, Car 54, Sergeant Bilko...  Then there have been a few b-class shows that were sometimes funny: Mary Tyler Moore, Barney Miller, WKRP in Cincnnati.  How many am I forgetting?